Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Rhyfelnydd]

This has been said numerous times. it's rights end where they impose on hers.

Because contraception always works even when properly used, and people should be forced to have sex in particular ways.

Because men put condoms in their wallet where they loose effectiveness and women skip their daily dosage of the pill, also the female condom and vaginal rings.Oh and sex is sex. If you want a sensation down there people can always use their hands.

Because contraception is infallible and it is always human failure that causes them not to work in some cases. That is not the point, and it really isn't. Well, maybe for you; if you have no care or preference but many do. People cannot be forced to have sex in specific ways.

[Redsection]

If possible i would trade my lifes ailments for just 9 months. I'm saying if people like me can live with theese diseases for live a woman can take 9 months. It's funny huh ?

And we're saying we don't give a fuck about your illnesses.

so,i dont care about your problems,or the next guys am i supposed to cry and feel sorry. so by saying this you cannot use the pain and suffering claim for pregnancy.

[Redsection]

Because men put condoms in their wallet where they loose effectiveness and women skip their daily dosage of the pill, also the female condom and vaginal rings.Oh and sex is sex. If you want a sensation down there people can always use their hands.

Because contraception is infallible and it is always human failure that causes them not to work in some cases. That is not the point, and it really isn't. Well, maybe for you; if you have no care or preference but many do. People cannot be forced to have sex in specific ways.

But they have the right to murdering a future human.

[Bright Waters]

And we're saying we don't give a fuck about your illnesses.

so,i dont care about your problems,or the next guys am i supposed to cry and feel sorry. so by saying this you cannot use the pain and suffering claim for pregnancy.

Dude, false equivocation. The point was pregnancy doesn't = anemia. I also stubbed my toe today. Shall we compare?

[Godular]

And we're saying we don't give a fuck about your illnesses.

so,i dont care about your problems,or the next guys am i supposed to cry and feel sorry. so by saying this you cannot use the pain and suffering claim for pregnancy.

Technically, saying this would also defeat the pro-life argument.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Because contraception is infallible and it is always human failure that causes them not to work in some cases. That is not the point, and it really isn't. Well, maybe for you; if you have no care or preference but many do. People cannot be forced to have sex in specific ways.

But they have the right to murdering a future human.

Since it is not murder but having a medical operation done as is a woman's right to her body, yes.

[Godular]

Because contraception is infallible and it is always human failure that causes them not to work in some cases. That is not the point, and it really isn't. Well, maybe for you; if you have no care or preference but many do. People cannot be forced to have sex in specific ways.

But they have the right to murdering a future human.

No person has the right to use another person's body against their will. If the woman wishes to have something living in her body against her will removed, what right has anyone to judge that decision?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Oh...really?

Wow your so funny. when i said before that post i meant this main post. the one you quoted.So please look agian.

I don't have time for this. How about you support your own claim and show me how I'm wrong?

And we're saying we don't give a fuck about your illnesses.

so,i dont care about your problems,

It's a good thing I never mentioned mine.

or the next guys am i supposed to cry and feel sorry. so by saying this you cannot use the pain and suffering claim for pregnancy.

Actually, I can, because this thread isn't about how you suffer oh so much and women should be forced to join you.

And since you don't care about how women suffer, why should we care about how you do?

[Redsection]

But they have the right to murdering a future human.

Since it is not murder but having a medical operation done as is a woman's right to her body, yes.

Labotomy is also a surgery. Doesent mean it's right.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

so,i dont care about your problems,or the next guys am i supposed to cry and feel sorry. so by saying this you cannot use the pain and suffering claim for pregnancy.

Technically, saying this would also defeat the pro-life argument.

Technically, I shouldn't get caught up in this argument. But I did.

Because contraception is infallible and it is always human failure that causes them not to work in some cases. That is not the point, and it really isn't. Well, maybe for you; if you have no care or preference but many do. People cannot be forced to have sex in specific ways.

But they have the right to murdering a future human.

1. Not murder.
2. Bridge.

[Godular]

Since it is not murder but having a medical operation done as is a woman's right to her body, yes.

Labotomy is also a surgery. Doesent mean it's right.

Whether it is right or not is neither your right or business to judge.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Since it is not murder but having a medical operation done as is a woman's right to her body, yes.

Labotomy is also a surgery. Doesent mean it's right.

Considering it has proven to have no actual medical benefit and does not cure what it was meant to do, and the fact it was almost solely done without patient consent, that is just another one of your false equivalencies.

[Bright Waters]

Oh...really?

Wow your so funny. when i said before that post i meant this main post. the one you quoted.So please look agian.

Yeah...no. You want to prove a point, give it. I'm not scrolling 400 pages to find your point

[Godular]

Labotomy is also a surgery. Doesent mean it's right.

Considering it has proven to have no actual medical benefit and does not cure what it was meant to do, and the fact it was almost solely done without patient consent, that is just another one of your false equivalencies.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than have a frontsl lobotomy...

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Since it is not murder but having a medical operation done as is a woman's right to her body, yes.

Labotomy is also a surgery. Doesent mean it's right.

Why isn't it right, exactly?

[Rhyfelnydd]

Labotomy is also a surgery. Doesent mean it's right.

Why isn't it right, exactly?

See reasons above. Though I may have been wrong in that it was definitively proven not to work, it was just considered not a viable treatment for most of the ailments it claimed to.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Why isn't it right, exactly?

See reasons above. Though I may have been wrong in that it was definitively proven not to work, it was just considered not a viable treatment for most of the ailments it claimed to.

... I see, that helps. Still, the only reason it wouldn't be right is because it isn't effective. Abortions work, at least, I haven't heard of a failed abortion.

[Neutraligon]

See reasons above. Though I may have been wrong in that it was definitively proven not to work, it was just considered not a viable treatment for most of the ailments it claimed to.

... I see, that helps. Still, the only reason it wouldn't be right is because it isn't effective. Abortions work, at least, I haven't heard of a failed abortion.

Well, they sort of exist, that is the abortion fails to kill the fetus. That is there are those fetuses who survive the abortion and go on to be birthed.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

... I see, that helps. Still, the only reason it wouldn't be right is because it isn't effective. Abortions work, at least, I haven't heard of a failed abortion.

Well, they sort of exist, that is the abortion fails to kill the fetus. That is there are those fetuses who survive the abortion and go on to be birthed.

That's unfortunate... Anyone know the rate of failure by chance?
EDIT: Found it: looks like 2.3 out of 1000 surgical abortions.

[Rhyfelnydd]

See reasons above. Though I may have been wrong in that it was definitively proven not to work, it was just considered not a viable treatment for most of the ailments it claimed to.

... I see, that helps. Still, the only reason it wouldn't be right is because it isn't effective. Abortions work, at least, I haven't heard of a failed abortion.

Exactly. A lobotomy has clear and scientific reasons for it's general reputation of not being okay. Abortion, not so much, hence why comparing the two is not valid. I am sure failures have happened as no procedure is free from the possibility of failure, but back-alley or illigitimate abortions done where it is not legal and regulated I am sure have much higher botch or utter failure rates.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

... I see, that helps. Still, the only reason it wouldn't be right is because it isn't effective. Abortions work, at least, I haven't heard of a failed abortion.

Exactly. A lobotomy has clear and scientific reasons for it's general reputation of not being okay. Abortion, not so much, hence why comparing the two is not valid. I am sure failures have happened as no procedure is free from the possibility of failure, but back-alley or illigitimate abortions done where it is not legal and regulated I am sure have much higher botch or utter failure rates.

Exactly. The sources that I found the statistic I mentioned actually mention definitely NOT taking online or non-professional deals when it comes to abortion.

[Dyakovo]

And why are there so many women in the pro-choice movement?

Why are there so many men in the pro-choice movement? Care to tell?

Because those men realize that women are people too, and thus should be afforded the same rights as men.

[Dyakovo]

... I see, that helps. Still, the only reason it wouldn't be right is because it isn't effective. Abortions work, at least, I haven't heard of a failed abortion.

Well, they sort of exist, that is the abortion fails to kill the fetus. That is there are those fetuses who survive the abortion and go on to be birthed.

And there are abortions where the foetus is meant to live... Strictly speaking, a cesarean section is an abortion )at least if it is performed prior to the due date)...

[Grave_n_idle]

Why are there so many men in the pro-choice movement? Care to tell?

Well, in my case, it's a combination of idealism and realism.

The 'ideal' is that women should have the right to govern their own reproductive health.

The 'reality' is that if my wife got pregnant and didn't want to carry another pregnancy full-term, I'd have to have a very strange relationship with her if I wanted to force her to do so against her will.

[Mefpan]

Why are there so many men in the pro-choice movement? Care to tell?

Because I think women do have the right to decide what to do with their own body and by extension what goes on within it. Furthermore, as I am not in the possession of a womb I also do not believe I am permitted to have the audacious gall to equate pregnancy with some easily ignored form of relatively minor discomfort.