Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Arcturus Novus]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Unintended-Pregnancy-US.html

95% of unintended pregnancies are caused by misuse or disuse of contraceptives, and unintended pregnancy is the main reason why women get abortions.
This is why I do not support abortion unless the woman in question is either a rape victim or there may be life-threatening complications.
One shouldn't get to abort their fetus because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

So if I drive without my seatbelt, I deserve to die in a crash?

Depends. Are you a good person? Because if not, it may just be karma.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Unintended-Pregnancy-US.html

95% of unintended pregnancies are caused by misuse or disuse of contraceptives, and unintended pregnancy is the main reason why women get abortions.
This is why I do not support abortion unless the woman in question is either a rape victim or there may be life-threatening complications.
One shouldn't get to abort their fetus because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

Well that's too bad, really. They have a right to obtain a medical procedure, and it's between them and their doctors. You have no say.

I certainly don't have a direct say, but the law does, and as an American citizen I get to vote for representatives who are responsible for creating our laws, so, in a way, I do.

[Lost heros]

So if I drive without my seatbelt, I deserve to die in a crash?

No, but if you do, it's no one's fault but your own.

The point being, if I get injured I still have the opportunity of healthcare.

[Edgy Opinions]

95% of unintended pregnancies are caused by misuse or disuse of contraceptives, and unintended pregnancy is the main reason why women get abortions.
This is why I do not support abortion unless the woman in question is either a rape victim or there may be life-threatening complications.
One shouldn't get to abort their fetus because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

Do you realize such a thing as contraceptive failure exists, right?

Or that you think people deserve to potentially die for the consequences of what they did? Because of a fucking non-person? (All pregnancies are potentially risky, and clandestine abortions even more so.)

As if we didn't kill animals for costly, unnecessary, counterproductive, wasteful, potentially hazardous (inflammatory, carcinogenic, highly fatty, more easily potentially contaminated) food resource or research guinea pigs all the fucking time who are much closer to humanity than all those senseless, worthless blobs of cells? Because of what YOU feel entitled to what OTHERS got to do with their OWN fucking lives? As if you held ownership over their genitals, and the blobs of cells weren't just a meaningless result from their own physiological function, that they can at any given time not desire because one's supposed to control their bodies to the extent of their personal comfort within the limits of science, and that "body" is no one else's because there's no cognitive or even neurological function at all to represent that in any meaningful manner?

People like you are fucking tiresome. Then people go and say misogyny is "rare".

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

I can say with relative certainty that most fetuses will survive childbirth and be capable of eventually doing these things.

Most fetuses can also develop complications, most fetuses can also die shortly after childbirth, and most fetuses can be stillbirths.

Your statement means absolutely nothing when you have an organism that even a cosmic misalignment can kill it.

And as I have already stated that if there are developing complications abortion is an option.

[Mavorpen]

Well that's too bad, really. They have a right to obtain a medical procedure, and it's between them and their doctors. You have no say.

I certainly don't have a direct say, but the law does, and as an American citizen I get to vote for representatives who are responsible for creating our laws, so, in a way, I do.

It's too bad we have that pesky thing called a Constitution, though, or else you'd actually be right.

[MERIZoC]

So if I drive without my seatbelt, I deserve to die in a crash?

No, but if you do, it's no one's fault but your own.

Even if someone else caused the crash?

[Othelos]

Well that's too bad, really. They have a right to obtain a medical procedure, and it's between them and their doctors. You have no say.

I certainly don't have a direct say, but the law does, and as an American citizen I get to vote for representatives who are responsible for creating our laws, so, in a way, I do.

Too bad you don't have the right to tell other people what they can or can't do with their bodies. Bodily sovereignty trumps right to life, and the courts agree.

[Mavorpen]

Most fetuses can also develop complications, most fetuses can also die shortly after childbirth, and most fetuses can be stillbirths.

Your statement means absolutely nothing when you have an organism that even a cosmic misalignment can kill it.

And as I have already stated that if there are developing complications abortion is an option.

No, see, you don't understand. Complications can arise at any point, and can happen without warning. A mother can die from giving birth due to an unforeseen complication. That potential ALWAYS exists, and at that point, it would be too late. Women should and do have every right to not want to take that risk.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Unintended-Pregnancy-US.html

95% of unintended pregnancies are caused by misuse or disuse of contraceptives, and unintended pregnancy is the main reason why women get abortions.
This is why I do not support abortion unless the woman in question is either a rape victim or there may be life-threatening complications.
One shouldn't get to abort their fetus because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

One should definitely get to abort fetuses because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

What, you think that somehow morality trumps rights?

I believe rights morally trump irresponsibility.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Most fetuses can also develop complications, most fetuses can also die shortly after childbirth, and most fetuses can be stillbirths.

Your statement means absolutely nothing when you have an organism that even a cosmic misalignment can kill it.

And as I have already stated that if there are developing complications abortion is an option.

Because that has worked so well for other countries that have such systems, hasn't it?

[East Catalina]

No, but if you do, it's no one's fault but your own.

The point being, if I get injured I still have the opportunity of healthcare.

In the hypothetical car crash, you don't really deserve anything, but in the interests of sympathy let's say that you ought to get to a hospital.

I certainly don't have a direct say, but the law does, and as an American citizen I get to vote for representatives who are responsible for creating our laws, so, in a way, I do.

It's too bad we have that pesky thing called a Constitution, though, or else you'd actually be right.

The Constitution protects the right to choose to have an abortion?

[Othelos]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Unintended-Pregnancy-US.html

95% of unintended pregnancies are caused by misuse or disuse of contraceptives, and unintended pregnancy is the main reason why women get abortions.
This is why I do not support abortion unless the woman in question is either a rape victim or there may be life-threatening complications.
One shouldn't get to abort their fetus because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

So if I drive without my seatbelt, I deserve to die in a crash?

You're asking the wrong question. It should be: do I deserve to stay hurt?

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

I certainly don't have a direct say, but the law does, and as an American citizen I get to vote for representatives who are responsible for creating our laws, so, in a way, I do.

Too bad you don't have the right to tell other people what they can or can't do with their bodies. Bodily sovereignty trumps right to life, and the courts agree.

It's not the woman's bodily sovereignty, genetically it is absolutely not hers, it's not the father's body either, it's independent.

[Ifreann]

One should definitely get to abort fetuses because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

What, you think that somehow morality trumps rights?

I believe rights morally trump irresponsibility.

But not women's rights, presumably.

[Arcturus Novus]

No, but if you do, it's no one's fault but your own.

Even if someone else caused the crash?

If it's a legitimate crash, the automobile has ways of preventing it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

One should definitely get to abort fetuses because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

What, you think that somehow morality trumps rights?

I believe rights morally trump irresponsibility.

What a inane way to look at things.

I bet you're one of those people who think doctors' job is to save lives as well.

[Mavorpen]

The Constitution protects the right to choose to have an abortion?

It protects the right for doctors to practice freely and for their patients to have privacy between their doctors regarding medical decisions.

Abortion falls under that as it's a medical procedure like any other medical procedure like an organ transplant or a vaccination.

[Neutraligon]

One should definitely get to abort fetuses because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

What, you think that somehow morality trumps rights?

I believe rights morally trump irresponsibility.

Again how is having an abortion irresponsible?

[Olthar]

One should definitely get to abort fetuses because they used contraceptives improperly or didn't use them at all.

What, you think that somehow morality trumps rights?

I believe rights morally trump irresponsibility.

Realizing that you don't have the means to properly care for a child and getting an abortion is the responsible choice.

[Othelos]

Too bad you don't have the right to tell other people what they can or can't do with their bodies. Bodily sovereignty trumps right to life, and the courts agree.

It's not the woman's bodily sovereignty, genetically it is absolutely not hers, it's not the father's body either, it's independent.

Really? If it was independent, why is it hooked up to the mother and using her body to develop?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The point being, if I get injured I still have the opportunity of healthcare.

In the hypothetical car crash, you don't really deserve anything, but in the interests of sympathy let's say that you ought to get to a hospital.

It's too bad we have that pesky thing called a Constitution, though, or else you'd actually be right.

The Constitution protects the right to choose to have an abortion?

No, Roe v. Wade protects the right to choose to have an abortion.

[Farnhamia]

No, but if you do, it's no one's fault but your own.

Even if someone else caused the crash?

You were probably driving in a manner that invited it.

[Neutraligon]

Too bad you don't have the right to tell other people what they can or can't do with their bodies. Bodily sovereignty trumps right to life, and the courts agree.

It's not the woman's bodily sovereignty, genetically it is absolutely not hers, it's not the father's body either, it's independent.

As long as it is unable to live outside the womb it is not independent.

[Lost heros]

So if I drive without my seatbelt, I deserve to die in a crash?

You're asking the wrong question. It should be: do I deserve to stay hurt?

While this is what I meant, I worded it pretty awfully. Thank you for pointing it out.