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I am not against this bill as third gender people should get their own bathroom
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Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I am not against this bill as third gender people should get their own bathroom

There is no "third gender".
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:38 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I am not against this bill as third gender people should get their own bathroom

Trans* doesn't necessarily mean third gender. Also, that would cost a fortune to implement. Far simpler to have unisex bathrooms.
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Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I am not against this bill as third gender people should get their own bathroom

Aha. Conservative American states recognizing genders out of the binary like non-binary and non-Western genders is as likely as chicken with teeth.
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Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I am not against this bill as third gender people should get their own bathroom

Trans* doesn't necessarily mean third gender. Also, that would cost a fortune to implement. Far simpler to have unisex bathrooms.


I would disagree with the unisex bathroom, by third gender I am referring to the people who deviate from their gender, it would be less discriminatory and it would keep transgender people out of male/female bathrooms
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Ifreann wrote:Trans* doesn't necessarily mean third gender. Also, that would cost a fortune to implement. Far simpler to have unisex bathrooms.


I would disagree with the unisex bathroom, by third gender I am referring to the people who deviate from their gender, it would be less discriminatory and it would keep transgender people out of male/female bathrooms

>less discriminatory
>keep them out

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Postby Edgy Opinions » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:43 am

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Ifreann wrote:Trans* doesn't necessarily mean third gender. Also, that would cost a fortune to implement. Far simpler to have unisex bathrooms.

I would disagree with the unisex bathroom, by third gender I am referring to the people who deviate from their gender, it would be less discriminatory and it would keep transgender people out of male/female bathrooms

Not really. We're already using it and chances are we won't stop doing so.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:47 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Trans* doesn't necessarily mean third gender. Also, that would cost a fortune to implement. Far simpler to have unisex bathrooms.


I would disagree with the unisex bathroom, by third gender I am referring to the people who deviate from their gender,

Well surely third gender would refer to a gender other than male or female, no?
it would be less discriminatory and it would keep transgender people out of male/female bathrooms

How is that less discriminatory? That's exactly as discriminatory, and would cost an absolute fortune.
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Technically even more discriminatory, since we're now denying them even their assigned-at-birth corresponding bathroom.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:50 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Technically even more discriminatory, since we're now denying them even their assigned-at-birth corresponding bathroom.

True.
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Imperializt Russia wrote:Technically even more discriminatory, since we're now denying them even their assigned-at-birth corresponding bathroom.

Ideally they should not deviate from their genders and cause problems so I think anything we do would give them a fair shot, I agree with the senator because let us be honest, you would not want a transgender/ homosexual person in the same bathroom as you, let us be perfectly honest about it
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Imperializt Russia wrote:Technically even more discriminatory, since we're now denying them even their assigned-at-birth corresponding bathroom.

Ideally they should not deviate from their genders and cause problems so I think anything we do would give them a fair shot, I agree with the senator because let us be honest, you would not want a transgender/ homosexual person in the same bathroom as you, let us be perfectly honest about it

That's because it's a concept I've been sheltered from by society, that I've never had to contemplate until my adult years, that I'm just going to have to deal with.
It's not 1964.
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Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Ideally they should not deviate from their genders and cause problems so I think anything we do would give them a fair shot, I agree with the senator because let us be honest, you would not want a transgender/ homosexual person in the same bathroom as you, let us be perfectly honest about it

That's because it's a concept I've been sheltered from by society, that I've never had to contemplate until my adult years, that I'm just going to have to deal with.
It's not 1964.

it is 2015 but I would not want someone like that in a bathroom with me, I bet secretly you would not too
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:48 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Technically even more discriminatory, since we're now denying them even their assigned-at-birth corresponding bathroom.

Ideally they should not deviate from their genders and cause problems

Ideally they should be live their lives as they see fit and not have people like you causing problems for them.
so I think anything we do would give them a fair shot, I agree with the senator because let us be honest, you would not want a transgender/ homosexual person in the same bathroom as you, let us be perfectly honest about it

To be perfectly honest I wouldn't care.


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Imperializt Russia wrote:That's because it's a concept I've been sheltered from by society, that I've never had to contemplate until my adult years, that I'm just going to have to deal with.
It's not 1964.

it is 2015 but I would not want someone like that in a bathroom with me, I bet secretly you would not too

I'm sure you have great insight into the mindsets of other posters here, person who joined the forum today. :roll:
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Postby Pretannia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:51 am

There aren't enough of us to bother setting up something like this for, even if you figured it was somehow just to do so. It'd just result in allot of offended androgynous people being hassled for there id and allot of apologies 4 outta 5 times.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:14 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I am not against this bill as third gender people should get their own bathroom


Not exactly prudent.

Mind you, a suffusion of "family-style" bathrooms would essentially resolve the issue, despite the incongruous naming choice.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:29 am

There are so many people I'd rather not share a bathroom with. Luckily, public restrooms aren't that intimate. Is there something other people do in there that I don't know about?
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Ifreann wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Ideally they should not deviate from their genders and cause problems

Ideally they should be live their lives as they see fit and not have people like you causing problems for them.
so I think anything we do would give them a fair shot, I agree with the senator because let us be honest, you would not want a transgender/ homosexual person in the same bathroom as you, let us be perfectly honest about it

To be perfectly honest I wouldn't care.


Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:it is 2015 but I would not want someone like that in a bathroom with me, I bet secretly you would not too

I'm sure you have great insight into the mindsets of other posters here, person who joined the forum today. :roll:


I don't think you are seeing what a vast majority of people are seeing this senator is actually right
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:32 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I don't think you are seeing what a vast majority of people are seeing this senator is actually right


Right about what, exactly?
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:33 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ideally they should be live their lives as they see fit and not have people like you causing problems for them.

To be perfectly honest I wouldn't care.



I'm sure you have great insight into the mindsets of other posters here, person who joined the forum today. :roll:


I don't think you are seeing what a vast majority of people are seeing this senator is actually right

I suspect that the "vast majority" of people don't care. As for having a trans-gender person in the bathroom with you, I doubt you would even notice. This may come as a shock to you but not all non-heterosexual people are sex maniacs.
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I don't think you are seeing what a vast majority of people are seeing this senator is actually right

I suspect that the "vast majority" of people don't care. As for having a trans-gender person in the bathroom with you, I doubt you would even notice. This may come as a shock to you but not all non-heterosexual people are sex maniacs.


I am sorry sir but I doubt that a vast majority of people would like transgender/homosexuals in the bathroom with them, there should be a reason that a person as distinguished as a senator would put forth such a law. I don't think he is foolish and he is a man representing the views of his constituency so I highly doubt it
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:40 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I suspect that the "vast majority" of people don't care. As for having a trans-gender person in the bathroom with you, I doubt you would even notice. This may come as a shock to you but not all non-heterosexual people are sex maniacs.


I am sorry sir but I doubt that a vast majority of people would like transgender/homosexuals in the bathroom with them, there should be a reason that a person as distinguished as a senator would put forth such a law. I don't think he is foolish and he is a man representing the views of his constituency so I highly doubt it

Explain to me what this State Senator (he does not represent the entire State of Kentucky, only part of it) is proposing. I think you don't understand it.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:44 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I am sorry sir but I doubt that a vast majority of people would like transgender/homosexuals in the bathroom with them, there should be a reason that a person as distinguished as a senator would put forth such a law. I don't think he is foolish and he is a man representing the views of his constituency so I highly doubt it


On an intellectual level, you're likely correct; most denizens of Kentucky would probably prefer that they not knowingly share a bathroom with someone with indeterminate sexual characteristics or gender-identity confusion. The point that you have to be aware of, though, is that many such individuals are all but impossible to distinguish from the average run-of-the-mill user of said bathroom. While the idea is one most object to, the reality is that the vast majority of the time a non-standard bathroom user would cause absolutely no disruption or difficulties, being functionally identical to any other bathroom user.

As such, trying to have a law on the books about circumstances where said scenario is not the case is really just political pandering, as it will in all likelihood be extremely seldom invoked.
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