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Which party do you support in the upcoming Greek elections

Syriza
207
41%
PASOK
8
2%
New Democracy
73
14%
Golden Dawn
109
22%
Potami
15
3%
Dimar
13
3%
KKE
35
7%
ANEL
9
2%
None of the above
35
7%
 
Total votes : 504

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New Greek elections

Postby Baltenstein » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:27 am

The Greek parliament has, for the third time in a row, failed to get a decisive outcome in the election of the president of state. By Greek law, this automatically leads to new parliamentary elections, to be held in the course of the coming two months.

The most important parties in the Greek political system right now are as followed:

Syriza (Coalition of the Radical Left):

Led by Alexis Tsipras. A 3 % party some 5 years ago, they saw a dramatic rise since the breakout of the Greek economical crisis and the implementation of several austerity, privatization and deregulation measures by the Greek government, requested by the international Troika of Greece's , IMF, EU and ECB, and have become Greece's main opposition party. Their main platform consists of opposing the austerity policies, proposing several Keynesian stimulus policies on the European level instead, a liberal-progressive social agenda (introducing gay marriage and establish more secularization), keeping the Euro and more generous immigration policies. Currently leading the polls by a 3-5 % margin.

Nea Dimokratia (New Democracy):

The party of the current Prime Minister, Antonis Samaras and the conservative half of Greece's traditional two-party system, they took over the government from PASOK in 2012 and largely continued the cooperation with Troika demands and austerity policies, with various degrees of success. They argue that the reforms were painful, but necessary and that a sudden change of course could threaten to undo all the progress done in the last 3-4 years. Want to keep the Euro (duh), and continue to establish more law and order in regards to immigrants and crime.

PASOK (Panhellenic Socialist Movement):

The centre-left half of Greece's traditional two-party system. They were the strongest party in the 2009 elections, but due to the aforementioned austerity package they introduced one year later (being pretty much the opposite of everything they originally stood for) both the voter base and the party itself have eroded and are now little more than Nea Dimokratia's junior partner in the current coalition. Want to keep the Euro. Led by the current Greek foreign minister Evangelos Venizelos.

DIMAR (Democratic Left):

A centre-left, democratic Socialist party, its leader, Fotis Kouvelis, left Syriza for finding it too demagoguegic and populist. They are on the Left economically and socially, but keep a considerably lower, more pragmatic profile than Syriza over it. Were in coalition with New Democracy and PASOK for a while, which hurt them a lot in the polls. Also want to keep the Euro.

ANEL (Independent Greeks):

Led by Panos Kammenos, a New Democracy outcast who disagreed with Samaras over the latters continuation of PASOK's policies. Are nationalist/conservative socially, and pro-free market economically. Reject the austerity policies, want a decidedly pro-Russian foreign policy, and also want to lawsuit Germany for impending war reparations to Greece. Go by the moniker "Psekasmenoi" (Sprayed ones), because some of their members infamously brought up "chem trail" conspiracy theories as the reason why protests in Greece aren't as strong as they were 2 years ago. Want to stay in the Euro, arguing that the other countries can't do anything to take Greece's membership away.

Golden Dawn:

An unapologetic Neo Nazi party, their members are infamous for their racism, violent incidents, paramilitary activities - and yeah, all the Hitler-worshipping. Lately, they try to pose more as "nationalist patriots" and toned down the National Socialist leaning a bit (Altough, as former members report, nothing has changed in the inner circles). Are popular in areas with high crime and immigration, and with the Greek police. Anti-NATO and pro-Russian in their foreign-policy views. Want to abandon the Euro. Led by Nikolaos Michaloliakos.

KKE (Communist Party of Greece):

Led by Dimitris Koutsoumpas. Greece's oldest political party, often hailed (by both friend and foe) as the "last Stalinist party of Europe". Their agenda and slogans haven't changed much...in the past 90 years. Are in favor of a planned state socialist economy, abandoning NATO, EU and Eurozone, and develop close ties with Venezuela, Russia and North Korea (yes, really).

Potami (the river):

A pretty young party (less than a year old) by former star journalist and TV host Stavros Theodorakis, they were founded as a centre-left party with explicitedly no ties to the old political system (you can't become a member of the party if you used to have an important position in one of the other parties). Socially liberal. Want to renegotiate with the EU for a less harsh economic policy, and do more for active citizen participation in the political process. Want to keep the Euro. Due to their similarities to Syriza, they are accused by some to be a late-game ploy by the old political elites (i.e. PASOK) to draw critical voter support away from Tsipras.

EDIT:

I'm personally undecided between Syriza and Potami. While Tsipras has some pretty unrealistic points (especially what he claims to be able to achieve on an European level), he does have some good points on Greece's interior policies. But more importantly, it is time for both PASOK and New Democracy to leave the government and to reduce the influence of their various financial backers (big businessmen, oligarchs, media tycoons) on the country.
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Postby Dejanic » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:39 am

Syriza because they're the only credible party that isn't insane (KKE, Golden Dawn, etc) or extremely fiscally right wing and infavour of harsh austerity.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:50 am

KKE, long live Marxist Leninism!
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Postby Hyfling » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:51 am

Any opinion that I give on this is uneducated, everything I know about the Greek political landscape is based on your OP and others like it.

Anyway, I'd probably vote for ANEL, Potami or Nea Dimokratia based on the information you've provided here, the other parties just seem to batshit radical for my liking. You've got everything ranging from far-left communists and anarchists all the way to fascists and radical nationalists. I'd rather stay as close to the center as possible given Greece's current situation, so as to prevent any 1930s Germany or 1920s Russia style things from occurring.

Irrelevant, but I find it amusing that, with all of Greece's current economic turmoil, it was once the fastest growing economy in the world with +10% annual GDP expansion, it put modern China and the Asian Tigers to shame.

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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:53 am

Vivement Syriza. Let's see this damn thing end; as if Greece will ever be able to pay back its 175% debt to GDP ratio.
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Postby Estenia » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:59 am

Leaning towards Syriza but what I want for my country to succeed is to kick those Nazis of Golden Dawn and destroy PASOK and Nea Dimokratia, cause they destroyed Greece pretty much. But if Potami or Independent Greeks succeed also, I have got no problem because they are the lesser evil on the evils. I say ΣΥΡΙΖΑ, Ποτάμι και Ανεξάρτητοι Έλληνες. Πάμε για την ελευθερία, την σωστή δημοκρατία.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:06 am

I would support New Democracy because the austerity policies were needed to keep the country from going bankrupt.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:07 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I would support New Democracy because the austerity policies were needed to keep the country from going bankrupt.

Ah yes. With a shrinking GDP, and an increasing debt, Greece is definitely on the right path. Saving the patient by draining them of blood.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:09 am

Olerand wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I would support New Democracy because the austerity policies were needed to keep the country from going bankrupt.

Ah yes. With a shrinking GDP, and an increasing debt, Greece is definitely on the right path. Saving the patient by draining them of blood.

Would you prefer have billions of debt you can never pay back?
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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:10 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Olerand wrote:Ah yes. With a shrinking GDP, and an increasing debt, Greece is definitely on the right path. Saving the patient by draining them of blood.

Would you prefer have billions of debt you can never pay back?

Is Greece anywhere nearer to paying back its debts? Has Greece's debt to GDP ratio even decreased since austerity?
No, and no.

Will Greece pay back that 175% of GDP and increasing debt? No.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:12 am

Olerand wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Would you prefer have billions of debt you can never pay back?

Is Greece anywhere nearer to paying back its debts? Has Greece's debt to GDP ratio even decreased since austerity?
No, and no.

Will Greece pay back that 175% of GDP and increasing debt? No.

Do you have any alternative?
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Postby Agritum » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:14 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I would support New Democracy because the austerity policies were needed to keep the country from going bankrupt.

>2014
>Still advocates for Austerity.

Are you even European?

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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:15 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Olerand wrote:Is Greece anywhere nearer to paying back its debts? Has Greece's debt to GDP ratio even decreased since austerity?
No, and no.

Will Greece pay back that 175% of GDP and increasing debt? No.

Do you have any alternative?

Restructuring of Greek debt. Obviously. Some might have to be forgiven too.
I'm sure the Franco-German banks who invested massively in the south will find capital elsewhere.

Unless if you want the ECB to start massively buying out European debt, which would also help with the deflation in the Eurozone.

Agritum wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I would support New Democracy because the austerity policies were needed to keep the country from going bankrupt.

>2014
>Still advocates for Austerity.

Are you even European?

Perhaps he is Wolfgang Schäuble.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:18 am

Agritum wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I would support New Democracy because the austerity policies were needed to keep the country from going bankrupt.

>2014
>Still advocates for Austerity.

Are you even European?

Yes, I'm from the Netherlands.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:19 am

I think the KKE and Golden Dawn should unite and become Red Dawn, I'd vote for that.
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Postby Estenia » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:19 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I would support New Democracy because the austerity policies were needed to keep the country from going bankrupt.

Yo want Greece to be in the string of life and death which means Nazism with Anarchy.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:21 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I think the KKE and Golden Dawn should unite and become Red Dawn, I'd vote for that.

A Stalinist Nazi party. Exciting.
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Postby Republika Srpska Party » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:22 am

Olerand wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I think the KKE and Golden Dawn should unite and become Red Dawn, I'd vote for that.

A Stalinist Nazi party. Exciting.

The Golden Dawn is pretty Neo Nazi and wouldn't fit with the Marxist-Leninists.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:23 am

Olerand wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I think the KKE and Golden Dawn should unite and become Red Dawn, I'd vote for that.

A Stalinist Nazi party. Exciting.


The name alone would win them the elections :p
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Postby Shilya » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:23 am

Olerand wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I think the KKE and Golden Dawn should unite and become Red Dawn, I'd vote for that.

A Stalinist Nazi party. Exciting.

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Postby Dejanic » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:24 am

Republika Srpska Party wrote:
Olerand wrote:A Stalinist Nazi party. Exciting.

The Golden Dawn is pretty Neo Nazi and wouldn't fit with the Marxist-Leninists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

I'd argue the two movements are pretty similar. And there's been examples of the KKE collaborating with the GD in the past.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:25 am

Shilya wrote:
Olerand wrote:A Stalinist Nazi party. Exciting.

Commienazis!

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The Republicans were right after all.
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Postby Estenia » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:25 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Olerand wrote:A Stalinist Nazi party. Exciting.


The name alone would win them the elections :p

The name doesn't sound good in Greek.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:26 am

Dejanic wrote:
Republika Srpska Party wrote:The Golden Dawn is pretty Neo Nazi and wouldn't fit with the Marxist-Leninists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

I'd argue the two movements are pretty similar. And there's been examples of the KKE collaborating with the GD in the past.

That's why there are so many neo-Nazis in Russia? Huh.
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