"Family Values"

[Fanosolia]

Family values to me are more based around love, care, and understanding for the family, but also some discipline for the child because as much as I would like to just like to treat my hypothetical child well I still need to make sure they have some control, rather that be through talking, or somehow getting through what they did was wrong (responsibly of course).

Of course, those are my core family values that I would wish to give to my child if I was to ever have one, and I'm sure everyone else has a different opinion. What drives me crazy is the idea that the government has to uphold one set "family values" over the rest. Especially, those that want everyone to have that "traditional family" model, force the planet to over populate, and uphold "decency" that is by no way indecent.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

According to Wikipedia, family values are traditional or cultural values (that is, values passed on from generation to generation within families) that pertain to the family's structure, function, roles, beliefs, attitudes, and ideals.

Like anything else in sociology, many things are left open to interpretation. Conservative Christian fundamentalists say that a "traditional family" involves a middle-class family with a breadwinner father and a homemaker mother, raising their biological children. Any deviation from this family model is considered a "nontraditional family".

What say you, NSG? What are "family values?"

the bolded part is wrong. for conservatives the traditional famly=father+(working or what ever she wants to do) mother+kids. everything outside this is not normal

So people raised by uncles and aunts, grandparents, siblings or one of their parents plus their unmarried significant other are abnormal, now?

[The Black Forrest]

A buzzword to justify being an asshole to others.

[Fanosolia]

A buzzword to justify being an asshole to others.

I wasn't aware of that use of it what kind of asshole justification are we talking here?

[Burleson 2]

If it's happening in San Francisco, it probably doesn't represent family values.

[Utceforp]

"Family values" are whatever a group someone doesn't like is opposed to.

[Salzahr]

Value 1: Don't eat your family members
Value 2: You may sell your family members
Value 3: You may eat your future family members

[Burleson 2]

Value 1: Don't eat your family members
Value 2: You may sell your family members
Value 3: You may eat your future family members

[Salzahr]

Value 1: Don't eat your family members
Value 2: You may sell your family members
Value 3: You may eat your future family members

OP asked my values. These are my values. I may not follow all of them all the time., but they're still values.

[Aurea]

To me, "family values" are about love and respect. As long as you love all your family members and respect all your family members and they do the same to you then you have family values in my view.

From these two values all the others come: support, happiness, unity, strength, devotion, etc.

[Middle C]

That's not a non-existent bogeyman, that's a basic tenet of communism.

"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists."
-The Communist Manifesto

Communism is no longer an important element of the left, but back in the 19th Century, when the whole family values mantra started, it was. Napoleon III's campaign slogan was "Religion, the family, property," which is a way of opposing communism on all its concerns. "Family" again was an important slogan of opposition against unions in the U.S. who had leftist ties.

"Family" continues to exist as a slogan, but more out of habit than anything else.

Reading that in context I'm utterly convinced I was right. The whole section that's from is Marx taking various accusations leveled at communists and explaining them away. Furthermore, it can hardly be argued that adherence to "family values" was the reaction, since the "abolition of the family" clearly was a response to the "traditional" nuclear family with the husband lording over the household.

Marxism posits marriage itself as an inherently oppressive institution On the Origins of the Family. And indeed, marriage as an institution could not possibly exist in a communist environment because marriage is a legal union of assets and income to create a single economic unit.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Family Values are, upon closer inspection, values based on conservative thinking, based on fear for the unknown, comparable to isolationism. It is the result of good-off people in the US, mostly white middle and upper classes, fearing some new development in society and entrenching their old beliefs in the combined name of 'Family Values', thereby trying to give their ideas more importance than they actually bear. It is building a fort out of duct tape and cardboard, fooling your enemies into thinking you have a mortar battery waiting for them. It has absolutely naught to do with a family. The only link with the family is that the family makeup of one working father, one housekeeping mother, two kids of dating age trying to mate with their opposite genders is also fortified within Fort Cardboard as described above.

'Family Values' are the opposite of 'it's not natural, none of it', a group of ideas the same people use to ditch any of these new progressive ideas.

Edit, anti-dickish disclaimer: 'SOMEONE'S family values' are a different matter altogether. Everyone has a way they want their family to be run. Family Values as an objective set of ideas don't exist, though. YOUR family values are entirely relative, so much so that there is no use in giving it such a name.

[The New Sea Territory]

If it's happening in San Francisco, it probably doesn't represent family values.

So, even the radical conservative reactionaries who do live in San Fran and refuse to leave are also anti-Family Values by virtue of being in a freedom-loving city?

[Scyobayrynn]

According to Wikipedia, family values are traditional or cultural values (that is, values passed on from generation to generation within families) that pertain to the family's structure, function, roles, beliefs, attitudes, and ideals.

Like anything else in sociology, many things are left open to interpretation. Conservative Christian fundamentalists say that a "traditional family" involves a middle-class family with a breadwinner father and a homemaker mother, raising their biological children. Any deviation from this family model is considered a "nontraditional family".

What say you, NSG? What are "family values?"

I think definition you found is an excellent one of family values, and Ialso believe that "Family Values" as an idea have been hijacked by ideologues.

By associating common archtypes with a moral value they are free to demonize any number of things.

However to me, family values remain exactly what you quote above. The traditions, structures, beliefs, and ideals passed own to me in my family that I pass down to my children and that at once evolve with each generation but also serve to tie it to the last and to the generations that came before.

Our(my family) traditional family values often defy what are in this present day the Mediafied version of "traditional family values".

[Burleson 2]

If it's happening in San Francisco, it probably doesn't represent family values.

So, even the radical conservative reactionaries who do live in San Fran and refuse to leave are also anti-Family Values by virtue of being in a freedom-loving city?

Did you not catch the part where I said "probably"?

[Fortschritte]

If it's happening in San Francisco, it probably doesn't represent family values.

Well, San Francisco is a pretty kick ass city, so there's another reason to not side with "family values."

[Burleson 2]

If it's happening in San Francisco, it probably doesn't represent family values.

Well, San Francisco is a pretty kick ass city, so there's another reason to not side with "family values."

That place is a hell hole. You get arrested for throwing out a soda can, you can't walk outside without getting high off of second hand pot smoke, there are ridiculous taxes, there's a high concentration of douches, crappy weather, no respect for free speech, etc.

[Fortschritte]

Well, San Francisco is a pretty kick ass city, so there's another reason to not side with "family values."

That place is a hell hole. You get arrested for throwing out a soda can, you can't walk outside without getting high off of second hand pot smoke, there are ridiculous taxes, there's a high concentration of douches, crappy weather, no respect for free speech, etc.

Have you ever been to San Francisco? Because, just about everything in that post is factually incorrect.

[Scomagia]

That place is a hell hole. You get arrested for throwing out a soda can, you can't walk outside without getting high off of second hand pot smoke, there are ridiculous taxes, there's a high concentration of douches, crappy weather, no respect for free speech, etc.

Have you ever been to San Francisco? Because, just about everything in that post is factually incorrect.

You'll find that certain posters rarely include factual information in their posts.

[Fortschritte]

Have you ever been to San Francisco? Because, just about everything in that post is factually incorrect.

You'll find that certain posters rarely include factual information in their posts.

Unfortunately for my eyes, I'm more than aware of that.

[District XIV]

there's a high concentration of douches

Sort of like NSG?

[Kelinfort]

Well, San Francisco is a pretty kick ass city, so there's another reason to not side with "family values."

That place is a hell hole. You get arrested for throwing out a soda can, you can't walk outside without getting high off of second hand pot smoke, there are ridiculous taxes, there's a high concentration of douches, crappy weather, no respect for free speech, etc.

Lol. You must have gone to Modoc or something. SF's nothing like that. Try again.

[Burleson 2]

That place is a hell hole. You get arrested for throwing out a soda can, you can't walk outside without getting high off of second hand pot smoke, there are ridiculous taxes, there's a high concentration of douches, crappy weather, no respect for free speech, etc.

1. Have you ever been to San Francisco? Because, 2. just about everything in that post is factually incorrect.

1. Never have, never will
2. Do you know what hyperbole is? And yes, they have high taxes there. The weather is crappy (by my standards as a person who prefers the kind of weather they have in Florida. You probably have a different standard of what a douche is than I do, but by my standard, those people fit the definition pretty well.

[Scomagia]

You'll find that certain posters rarely include factual information in their posts.

Unfortunately for my eyes, I'm more than aware of that.

The "foe" button is remarkably useful.

[District XIV]

Well, San Francisco is a pretty kick ass city, so there's another reason to not side with "family values."

That place is a hell hole. 1. You get arrested for throwing out a soda can, 2. you can't walk outside without getting high off of second hand pot smoke, 3. there are ridiculous taxes, 4. there's a high concentration of douches, 5. crappy weather, 6. no respect for free speech, etc.

1. I haven't gotten arrested yet
2. What the fuck?
3. See "2."
4. Now now, no need for that.
5. That's subjective.
6. Did you go to North Korea, by chance?