"Family Values"

[Rhodisia]

According to Wikipedia, family values are traditional or cultural values (that is, values passed on from generation to generation within families) that pertain to the family's structure, function, roles, beliefs, attitudes, and ideals.

Like anything else in sociology, many things are left open to interpretation. Conservative Christian fundamentalists say that a "traditional family" involves a middle-class family with a breadwinner father and a homemaker mother, raising their biological children. Any deviation from this family model is considered a "nontraditional family".

What say you, NSG? What are "family values?"

[The Leodensian Republic]

A buzzword for conservatives.

[Ripoll]

According to Wikipedia, family values are traditional or cultural values (that is, values passed on from generation to generation within families) that pertain to the family's structure, function, roles, beliefs, attitudes, and ideals.

Like anything else in sociology, many things are left open to interpretation. Conservative Christian fundamentalists say that a "traditional family" involves a middle-class family with a breadwinner father and a homemaker mother, raising their biological children. Any deviation from this family model is considered a "nontraditional family".

What say you, NSG? What are "family values?"

Family Values should be associated with societal values rather than relying on previous ancestral blood unless your family in general is some what above societal values.

Parent's need to be raising smart, well cultured, and confident young men and women. Anything below that is neglect for your child.

The traditional American family is just something for people to look up too, it's an idea people should strive for. But overall, their goal should be happiness, productivity, and integrity. If a white Pickett fence, Lincoln in the driveway, Golden Retriever on the lawn, inground swimming pool in the back, 2 story colonial style house does that for them? Good!

Nothing wrong with the conservative idea of a strong willed middle class family with traditional family make up.

[Greater-London]

Well I think family values is a term nearly always used to describe the traditional family unit. Outside this its not a very useful term family values to my mind differ between families; the things that my immediate family value differs to plenty of my friends and neighbors despite the fact we've all grown up in the same soceital culture.

[European Socialist Republic]

Conservative Christian fundamentalists say that a "traditional family" involves a middle-class family with a breadwinner father and a homemaker mother, raising their biological children. Any deviation from this family model is considered a "nontraditional family".

So... it's a conservative euphemism for "a woman's place is in the kitchen and gay marriage is icky"?

[-United Islamic Emirate-]

Wikipedia explains it perfectly and American nationalists use it incorrectly I think they're trying to say American Family Values because I have my own set of family values which is very different.

[Brillnuck]

According to Wikipedia, family values are traditional or cultural values (that is, values passed on from generation to generation within families) that pertain to the family's structure, function, roles, beliefs, attitudes, and ideals.

Like anything else in sociology, many things are left open to interpretation. Conservative Christian fundamentalists say that a "traditional family" involves a middle-class family with a breadwinner father and a homemaker mother, raising their biological children. Any deviation from this family model is considered a "nontraditional family".

What say you, NSG? What are "family values?"

Family Values should be associated with societal values rather than relying on previous ancestral blood unless your family in general is some what above societal values.

Parent's need to be raising smart, well cultured, and confident young men and women. Anything below that is neglect for your child.

The traditional American family is just something for people to look up too, it's an idea people should strive for. But overall, their goal should be happiness, productivity, and integrity. If a white Pickett fence, Lincoln in the driveway, Golden Retriever on the lawn, inground swimming pool in the back, 2 story colonial style house does that for them? Good!

Nothing wrong with the conservative idea of a strong willed middle class family with traditional family make up.

Agreed. The next generation needs to be confident as well as well cultured and smart.

Well I think family values is a term nearly always used to describe the traditional family unit. Outside this its not a very useful term family values to my mind differ between families; the things that my immediate family value differs to plenty of my friends and neighbors despite the fact we've all grown up in the same soceital culture.

Agreed. Family Values can differ between family-to-family. One might be a single parent, but they might raise their children to be smart, well cultured and confident.

[Rhodisia]

So... it's a conservative euphemism for "a woman's place is in the kitchen and gay marriage is icky"?

It is sociology. Interpret it how you will.

[Shaggtopia]

"Family Values" a buzzword that serve no greater or lesser function than do establish and enforce a singular ideal or status quo, in no way is the concept of "Family Values" the end all be all universal archetype with which individuals should compare themselves for the simple fact that "Family Values" is inherently exclusionary to members of society that already don't fit the ideals of the status quo in other areas of their lives.
Furthermore, while the Conservative Ideal has been detailed earlier in this Forum it is far from the only set of "Family Values" that exists, and each other set is likewise flawed in it's restriction of behaviors that are deemed Deviant (like working mothers, interracial adoption, and gay marriage are Deviant to a Conservative's "Traditional Family Values") this is unavoidable because to praise one set of Ideals over others is to backhandedly condemn those others existence.

[Laerod]

So... it's a conservative euphemism for "a woman's place is in the kitchen and gay marriage is icky"?

It is sociology. Interpret it how you will.

Explain.

[Ifreann]

"Family Values" is how certain elements of conservatism express their belief that theirs is the only right and proper form of family.

[Kazirstan]

A buzzword for conservatives.

[Rhodisia]

Huh?
Thought this thread was a Drafted proposal for a new Issue.

no

[Central Kadigan]

Conservative Christian fundamentalists say that a "traditional family" involves a middle-class family with a breadwinner father and a homemaker mother, raising their biological children. Any deviation from this family model is considered a "nontraditional family".

A family on a single income could barely survive, let alone be "middle-class". Like most "Conservative Christian" ideas - this one is also pure fantasy.

[Free Tristania]

Family values (to me) are:

* opposition to abortion (when the mother's life is not in danger and/or when the child is non-viable)

* opposition to same- sex marriage (they can have their civil unions but they should not have a right to adopt children).

*a living wage (bring back the breadwinner model - but whether the breadwinner is male or female is unimportant to me)

* 1 and a half years of paid parental leave for both parents.

* free education

* universal healthcare

* generally available social housing.

* council for faltering families as a way to prevent (unnecessary) divorces. Most marriages can and should be salvaged.

Seen in that light both conservatives (in Europe or the U.S) and liberals are anti-family values.

[Baltenstein]

Each family has its own set of values. It may or may not be similar to the sets of values of other families.

[Kubra]

Values of a valueless institution, to be abolished post-haste.

[Kelinfort]

Fun fact: as marriage equality has increased, the divorce rate has gone down. Now, it's these two things aren't linked. However, it certainly undermines their claims of "traditional marriage" being destroyed.

[Laerod]

Fun fact: as marriage equality has increased, the divorce rate has gone down. Now, it's these two things aren't linked. However, it certainly undermines their claims of "traditional marriage" being destroyed.

Part of the reason might also be that it's harder for ultra-conservative families to prevent their children from having relationships prior to marriage. Early marriages that lack premarital sex are notoriously prone to divorce.

[Free Tristania]

Fun fact: as marriage equality has increased, the divorce rate has gone down. Now, it's these two things aren't linked. However, it certainly undermines their claims of "traditional marriage" being destroyed.

It's actually the other way around: in the U.S the divorce rate is hovering around the 50 percent. In the Netherlands it's currently 43 percent. What has gone down is the marriage rate. Probably because there is no actual marriage equality but affirmative action for women in family law: during divorce cases they get to take the children and to pluck the former husband. Never mind that well over 80 percent of all divorce cases are initiated by the woman - usually for trivial reasons.

[Kelinfort]

Fun fact: as marriage equality has increased, the divorce rate has gone down. Now, it's these two things aren't linked. However, it certainly undermines their claims of "traditional marriage" being destroyed.

It's actually the other way around: in the U.S the divorce rate is hovering around the 50 percent. In the Netherlands it's currently 43 percent. What has gone down is the marriage rate. Probably because there is no actual marriage equality but affirmative action for women in family law: during divorce cases they get to take the children and to pluck the former husband. Never mind that well over 80 percent of all divorce cases are initiated by the woman - usually for trivial reasons.

That's right, that bitch is selfish and angry. What a whore.

[Free Tristania]

It's actually the other way around: in the U.S the divorce rate is hovering around the 50 percent. In the Netherlands it's currently 43 percent. What has gone down is the marriage rate. Probably because there is no actual marriage equality but affirmative action for women in family law: during divorce cases they get to take the children and to pluck the former husband. Never mind that well over 80 percent of all divorce cases are initiated by the woman - usually for trivial reasons.

That's right, that bitch is selfish and angry. What a whore.

Spend 10 minutes googling and find out more.

[Syndicapolis]

Reactionary socially constructed crap used to justify discrimination. The family and its bullshit "values" must be abolished.

[Baltenstein]

The key reason why divorce rates used to be lower was probably not that people considered marriage more "sacred" back then, but the social stigma associated with being divorced - especially for women. Plus, being married was many womens' only source of income.

[Kelinfort]

That's right, that bitch is selfish and angry. What a whore.

Spend 10 minutes googling and find out more.

Yeah...it says nothing about "trivial" reasons for divorce.

Also look at how powerful the bitch is with the children!

In the Netherlands, parents of minor children have a legal obligation to submit a parenting plan to the court with agreements about the children. The plan states:

how the parents will share responsibility for the care and upbringing of their children

how parents should inform and consult each other about important decisions such as the choice of school

how the expenses related to the child or children are to be shared, and the amount of maintenance that is to be paid for the children

the parents must also discuss the children's wishes: they can discuss the parenting plan together, or alternatively they can use the services of a lawyer or mediator.