US/Cuba to Begin Talks

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I'll be so glad when Obama is gone.

Do you have anything of relevance to add to the discussion? If so, your input would be welcome.

[CTALNH]

Considering the fact that out of 180 countries North Korea is ranked 179th and China 175th I'd say things haven't improved that much.

Okay, you're focusing on one metric and not directly answering my questions, so we're done.

Considering China has a porn star in their national assembly and america doesn't I support Yumyumsuppertime opinion on the matter.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Probably the US getting closer to China would have never happened without the Sino-Soviet split.

Despite being irrelevant to the larger discussion, that's true, and the outreach is historically seen as one of the finest and smartest moments in American diplomacy. Nixon may have disgraced the office with his conduct, but he at least had that to look back on.

What I'm saying is that should totalitarian/authoritarian regimes try and get closer to the US/West, gradually "putting behind their past" in a way, this should only be accepted through a more or less immediate souring of relations with existing allies. In that, should US play mr. nice guy and help out Cuba they should give Russia the finger as quickly as possible and make a situation like the Russian warship near Cuba an impossible one in the future, regardless of how much Russia would want to flex its' muscles at the US again.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Despite being irrelevant to the larger discussion, that's true, and the outreach is historically seen as one of the finest and smartest moments in American diplomacy. Nixon may have disgraced the office with his conduct, but he at least had that to look back on.

What I'm saying is that should totalitarian/authoritarian regimes try and get closer to the US/West, gradually "putting behind their past" in a way, this should only be accepted through a more or less immediate souring of relations with existing allies. In that, should US play mr. nice guy and help out Cuba they should give Russia the finger as quickly as possible and make a situation like the Russian warship near Cuba an impossible one in the future, regardless of how much Russia would want to flex its' muscles at the US again.

Okay, except that my major point was how a hunger for Western goods and services was one of many factors contributing to the demise of the Soviet Bloc.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

Obama, throws Israel under the bus and cuddles up to the cuban tyrants. That's what you get with radical lefties in office. Can't wait for Jeb Bush to become president and put an end to obamas catastrophic foreign policy.

[CTALNH]

Obama, throws Israel under the bus and cuddles up to the cuban tyrants. That's what you get with radical lefties in office. Can't wait for Jeb Bush to become president and put an end to obamas catastrophic foreign policy.

Hahahaha....

Oh wait your not kidding? Let me laugh harder!

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Obama, throws Israel under the bus and cuddles up to the cuban tyrants. That's what you get with radical lefties in office. Can't wait for Jeb Bush to become president and put an end to obamas catastrophic foreign policy.

Jeb "Dubya II" Bush?

No thanks, we don't need a redux of the 8 years we went through with Dubya.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Obama, throws Israel under the bus and cuddles up to the cuban tyrants. That's what you get with radical lefties in office. Can't wait for Jeb Bush to become president and put an end to obamas catastrophic foreign policy.

Jeb "Dubya II" Bush?

No thanks, we don't need a redux of the 8 years we went through with Dubya.

I agree with Earl of Sandwich IV on Obama, Cuba, Israel and Jeb Bush. I want to see Pastelitos de Guayaba in The White House. Guava Pies in The White House. It is said that Jeb Bush is the smart one in the family. Also a popular former Republican Governor of Florida.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Jeb "Dubya II" Bush?

No thanks, we don't need a redux of the 8 years we went through with Dubya.

I agree with Earl of Sandwich IV on Obama, Cuba, Israel and Jeb Bush. I want to see Pastelitos de Guayaba in The White House. Guava Pies in The White House. It is said that Jeb Bush is the smart one in the family. Also a popular former Republican Governor of Florida.

After what we went through with Bush the last decade I'm not putting much of my faith in that family. Sorry I am not as enthusiastic as you. Besides, it was said the same thing about W.

[Kubra]

Funnily enough, the cultural revolution was the golden era for criticizing the party, so long as the criticism was being insufficiently maoist.

Exactly. "We are open to criticism, so long as the criticism says that we need to go in one particular direction."

one would think it to be so simple, but it's all fun and games until someone calls to abolish the party
Maoists are crazy, they'll criticize mao for being insufficiently Maoist.

[Socialist Tera]

I'm happy with the idea and I am happy that the US isn't trying to force Cuba to become a capitalist country but I am worried that Cuba may become capitalist in the future.

Exactly. "We are open to criticism, so long as the criticism says that we need to go in one particular direction."

one would think it to be so simple, but it's all fun and games until someone calls to abolish the party
Maoists are crazy, they'll criticize mao for being insufficiently Maoist.

Not for being insufficiently Maoist but for bad policies and bad decisions.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I'm happy with the idea and I am happy that the US isn't trying to force Cuba to become a capitalist country but I am worried that Cuba may become capitalist in the future.

one would think it to be so simple, but it's all fun and games until someone calls to abolish the party
Maoists are crazy, they'll criticize mao for being insufficiently Maoist.

Not for being insufficiently Maoist but for bad policies and bad decisions.

I think that some free market reforms are likely inevitable in the short and the long term.

[Lalaki]

I agree with Earl of Sandwich IV on Obama, Cuba, Israel and Jeb Bush. I want to see Pastelitos de Guayaba in The White House. Guava Pies in The White House. It is said that Jeb Bush is the smart one in the family. Also a popular former Republican Governor of Florida.

After what we went through with Bush the last decade I'm not putting much of my faith in that family. Sorry I am not as enthusiastic as you. Besides, it was said the same thing about W.

It is important to remember that it is not based off of the family, but on the individual.

Saying that, I respectfully disagree with much of Jeb Bush's policies.

[Rio Cana]

Obama, throws Israel under the bus and cuddles up to the cuban tyrants. That's what you get with radical lefties in office. Can't wait for Jeb Bush to become president and put an end to obamas catastrophic foreign policy.

The ME. is on the other side of the planet while Cuba is next door. This mending things with Cuba will go a very long way in fixing US and Latin American relations. The US history in Latin America and the Caribbean has not been great. This has caused those nations to open up to China, Russia, Japan, Korea and the EU. commercially. Thus, the US has lost some trade to those nations. If the US kept on the same track they would end up alienating many of its neighbors which is not good both commercially and security wise.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Since you all know this is such a personal issue for me. Serious question to any of my fellow nationstaters, and I will not respond back, with a counter post to your points of view. I Il just read your responses.

Lets say President Obama establishes full financial, economic, political, trade and tourist relations with the Cuban government, as Canada, the EU nations and others have. Does anyone here think the Cuban government will fall from power (or change to a multi party government nation) one way or another during President Obama's two or so years left in office? Or how many years from now? Thank you for your point of view pro or con.

[Jamjai]

what are they talking about? trade relations, diplomacy, etc

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Since you all know this is such a personal issue for me. Serious question to any of my fellow nationstaters, and I will not respond back, with a counter post to your points of view. I Il just read your responses.

Lets say President Obama establishes full financial, economic, political, trade and tourist relations with the Cuban government, as Canada, the EU nations and others have. Does anyone here think the Cuban government will fall from power (or change to a multi party government nation) one way or another during President Obama's two or so years left in office? Or how many years from now? Thank you for your point of view pro or con.

It won't fall within 10 years, but it might become less authoritarian very soon.

Market pressure means the island will globalize, and thus outside influence will make it hard for the government to excuse its actions.

[Communist Volkstrad]

Since you all know this is such a personal issue for me. Serious question to any of my fellow nationstaters, and I will not respond back, with a counter post to your points of view. I Il just read your responses.

Lets say President Obama establishes full financial, economic, political, trade and tourist relations with the Cuban government, as Canada, the EU nations and others have. Does anyone here think the Cuban government will fall from power (or change to a multi party government nation) one way or another during President Obama's two or so years left in office? Or how many years from now? Thank you for your point of view pro or con.

Probably not. Their power might falter a bit, but I don't think it will fall.

[Communist Volkstrad]

Since you all know this is such a personal issue for me. Serious question to any of my fellow nationstaters, and I will not respond back, with a counter post to your points of view. I Il just read your responses.

Lets say President Obama establishes full financial, economic, political, trade and tourist relations with the Cuban government, as Canada, the EU nations and others have. Does anyone here think the Cuban government will fall from power (or change to a multi party government nation) one way or another during President Obama's two or so years left in office? Or how many years from now? Thank you for your point of view pro or con.

It won't fall within 10 years, but it might become less authoritarian very soon.

Market pressure means the island will globalize, and thus outside influence will make it hard for the government to excuse its actions.

This is actually basically what I was thinking.

[Rio Cana]

Since you all know this is such a personal issue for me. Serious question to any of my fellow nationstaters, and I will not respond back, with a counter post to your points of view. I Il just read your responses.

Lets say President Obama establishes full financial, economic, political, trade and tourist relations with the Cuban government, as Canada, the EU nations and others have. Does anyone here think the Cuban government will fall from power (or change to a multi party government nation) one way or another during President Obama's two or so years left in office? Or how many years from now? Thank you for your point of view pro or con.

It won't fall within 10 years, but it might become less authoritarian very soon.

Market pressure means the island will globalize, and thus outside influence will make it hard for the government to excuse its actions.

Many people here seem to be keen on meddling in that islands internal affairs. Remember, how this all started. The revolution they had over 50 years ago included putting a stop to a certain neighboring nation which was busy interfering in there internal affairs.

[Jamjai]

Since you all know this is such a personal issue for me. Serious question to any of my fellow nationstaters, and I will not respond back, with a counter post to your points of view. I Il just read your responses.

Lets say President Obama establishes full financial, economic, political, trade and tourist relations with the Cuban government, as Canada, the EU nations and others have. Does anyone here think the Cuban government will fall from power (or change to a multi party government nation) one way or another during President Obama's two or so years left in office? Or how many years from now? Thank you for your point of view pro or con.

I think cuba will be adsorbed into the usa
or cuba will get a lot of tourist residents

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Many people here seem to be keen on meddling in that islands internal affairs. Remember, how this all started. The revolution they had over 50 years ago included putting a stop to a certain neighboring nation which was busy interfering in there internal affairs.

That is totally right. This is something Cubans should sort out, not the ruling power who screwed up everything in the first place.

[Calimera II]

Many people here seem to be keen on meddling in that islands internal affairs. Remember, how this all started. The revolution they had over 50 years ago included putting a stop to a certain neighboring nation which was busy interfering in there internal affairs.

That is totally right. This is something Cubans should sort out, not the ruling power who screwed up everything in the first place.

I agree. Though I can understand why the United States interfered back than.

[Wisconsin9]

Since you all know this is such a personal issue for me. Serious question to any of my fellow nationstaters, and I will not respond back, with a counter post to your points of view. I Il just read your responses.

Lets say President Obama establishes full financial, economic, political, trade and tourist relations with the Cuban government, as Canada, the EU nations and others have. Does anyone here think the Cuban government will fall from power (or change to a multi party government nation) one way or another during President Obama's two or so years left in office? Or how many years from now? Thank you for your point of view pro or con.

During Obama's administration? No. Just like it didn't fall during Eisenhower's, Kennedy's, Johnson's, Nixon's, Ford's, Carter's, Reagan's, H.W. Bush's, Clinton's, or W. Bush's.

[Calimera II]

Since you all know this is such a personal issue for me. Serious question to any of my fellow nationstaters, and I will not respond back, with a counter post to your points of view. I Il just read your responses.

Lets say President Obama establishes full financial, economic, political, trade and tourist relations with the Cuban government, as Canada, the EU nations and others have. Does anyone here think the Cuban government will fall from power (or change to a multi party government nation) one way or another during President Obama's two or so years left in office? Or how many years from now? Thank you for your point of view pro or con.

Oh, Cuba won't fall. It's wrong to think that Cuba is changing everything now.