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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:27 am

Laerod wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The underlined are American violations of the lease.

No they're not.

The Bay of Pigs invasion constitutes a violation of the "recognize the continuance of ultimate sovereignty" of Cuba.

I don't see how you can possibly deny that.
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Postby Weronus » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:27 am

Ravenflight wrote:If was russia was to turn into a modern Weimar Republic does anyone have an idea of who the leader of the new russia would be? The military is to loyal, the KGB no longer exists and what is left of it is weak compared to the CIA. Anyone else got ideas?


If it was a modern Weimar Republic expect separatist movements across all wind directions.
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Postby Disgusting Ones » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:31 am

I would blame OPEC for the problem. Russia sells oil and it is the main source of money. With low oil prices and western sanctions over Ukraine, Russia would soon be facing problems such as protests and a crippling economy. Putin claims to have the prescription to solve the issue but investers are heading towards the exit.

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Postby BlueShores » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:32 am

Ravenflight wrote:If was russia was to turn into a modern Weimar Republic does anyone have an idea of who the leader of the new russia would be? The military is to loyal, the KGB no longer exists and what is left of it is weak compared to the CIA. Anyone else got ideas?


The KGB is running the government. They are just not called KGB anymore. How do you think Putin has such a strong strangle hold on everything that happens in Russia?

It is partly Putin's fault, maybe mostly. The sanctions are hurting him and that is Putin. Russia has yet to diversify its economy. Blame Putin, blame the people, blame vodka... but one market should not make or break a major economy.

As for as US and oil prices... We still import more energy than we export. So dopping prices are good for the US period... regardless of its effect on other economies... lets not forget that this is hurting Mexico too.

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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:36 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Laerod wrote:Russia is arguably the only nation and certainly the only European nation that has acted in this matter in the past few decades. To call it the reality of international relations and the natural order of how nations operate is to lie.

The United States continues to illegally operate Guantanamo Naval Base despite being in violation of the lease since the Cold War, so it is not the only nation to do so.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that treaty signed with the Palma administration during the Cuban Republic? The Castros are illegitimate and, as such, the territory still belongs to the U.S.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:43 am

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Ashmoria wrote:don't exchange your money right away. do it a little at a time so you can ride the downward slide and get even more for your money.

where are you going in Russia?

Bashkortostan, maybe better to just use bankpas to get most actual exchange rate (and therefore probably best)

just make sure that it is usable there.

do you have family in bashkortostan?
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:46 am

That's a kick in Putin's rubles.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:48 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Laerod wrote:No they're not.

The Bay of Pigs invasion constitutes a violation of the "recognize the continuance of ultimate sovereignty" of Cuba.

I don't see how you can possibly deny that.

Two ways: The first is that ultimate sovereignty over Guantanamo Bay was never questioned. The second is that the entire incident fails the following stipulation:
Laerod wrote:Russia is arguably the only nation and certainly the only European nation that has acted in this matter in the past few decades. To call it the reality of international relations and the natural order of how nations operate is to lie.

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Postby Lennert » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:50 am

Russia should restore their monarchy.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:34 am

Laerod wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The Bay of Pigs invasion constitutes a violation of the "recognize the continuance of ultimate sovereignty" of Cuba.

I don't see how you can possibly deny that.

Two ways: The first is that ultimate sovereignty over Guantanamo Bay was never questioned. The second is that the entire incident fails the following stipulation:
Laerod wrote:Russia is arguably the only nation and certainly the only European nation that has acted in this matter in the past few decades. To call it the reality of international relations and the natural order of how nations operate is to lie.

It is a Great Power using the threat of military force to maintain a base in violation of international law, which fits my stipulation that the Great Powers are de facto immune from international law.

Ultimate sovereignty of Cuba was though, which was the term of the treaty.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:36 am

Murkwood wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The United States continues to illegally operate Guantanamo Naval Base despite being in violation of the lease since the Cold War, so it is not the only nation to do so.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that treaty signed with the Palma administration during the Cuban Republic? The Castros are illegitimate and, as such, the territory still belongs to the U.S.

Yes, but the terms of said treaty are violated by the refusal to recognize "ultimate continuance of sovereignty of Cuba".

Apologies, but my time is short, and I'm on mobile.
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Postby Czechanada » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:42 am

Wouldn't it be smart to buy up all the Rubles that one can right now and wait until the Ruble rises back up?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:47 am

Czechanada wrote:Wouldn't it be smart to buy up all the Rubles than one can right now and wait until the Ruble rises back up?


It's genius!
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:48 am

Czechanada wrote:Wouldn't it be smart to buy up all the Rubles than one can right now and wait until the Ruble rises back up?

They said the same about the Zimbabwean dollar.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:49 am

Czechanada wrote:Wouldn't it be smart to buy up all the Rubles than one can right now and wait until the Ruble rises back up?


That is assuming the ruble doesn't collapse entirely.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:50 am

Czechanada wrote:Wouldn't it be smart to buy up all the Rubles than one can right now and wait until the Ruble rises back up?

You go get 'em, Warren. :p
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Postby Laerod » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:03 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Laerod wrote:Two ways: The first is that ultimate sovereignty over Guantanamo Bay was never questioned. The second is that the entire incident fails the following stipulation:

It is a Great Power using the threat of military force to maintain a base in violation of international law, which fits my stipulation that the Great Powers are de facto immune from international law.

An incident from over 50 years ago is not relevant to how international politics and relations between countries happen today. And given that the ruble is pretty fucked, it would appear that Great Powers are not de facto immune from international law.
Ultimate sovereignty of Cuba was though, which was the term of the treaty.

A demonstrably false statement:
The Treaty wrote:While on the one hand the United States recognizes the continuance of the ultimate sovereignty of the Republic of Cuba over the above described areas of land and water,...
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:08 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that treaty signed with the Palma administration during the Cuban Republic? The Castros are illegitimate and, as such, the territory still belongs to the U.S.

Yes, but the terms of said treaty are violated by the refusal to recognize "ultimate continuance of sovereignty of Cuba".

Apologies, but my time is short, and I'm on mobile.

They are talking about the Cuban Republic, not Fidel's gulag.
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Postby Gaiserin » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:13 am

Lennert wrote:Russia should restore their monarchy.

"Empire" sounds better than "Federation" anyways.
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Postby Yorkopolis » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:27 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:There is a conspiracy afoot to tank the Russian economy by causing oil prices to plummet. It is a plan concoted in Riyadh though I bet the USA is also involved..

Get your tinfoil hats my friends, the Illuminati must be behind this collapse!

Personally, if you ask me, Russia brought it upon itself. They set the stage for the Ukrainian crisis and war, and now they're paying the price for endlessly violating the sovereignty of not just Ukraine, but also of Moldova, Georgia and Azerbaijan. I hope this will have consequences for Putin.
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Postby Ravenflight » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:47 am

BlueShores wrote:
Ravenflight wrote:If was russia was to turn into a modern Weimar Republic does anyone have an idea of who the leader of the new russia would be? The military is to loyal, the KGB no longer exists and what is left of it is weak compared to the CIA. Anyone else got ideas?


The KGB is running the government. They are just not called KGB anymore. How do you think Putin has such a strong strangle hold on everything that happens in Russia?

It is partly Putin's fault, maybe mostly. The sanctions are hurting him and that is Putin. Russia has yet to diversify its economy. Blame Putin, blame the people, blame vodka... but one market should not make or break a major economy.

As for as US and oil prices... We still import more energy than we export. So dopping prices are good for the US period... regardless of its effect on other economies... lets not forget that this is hurting Mexico too.

Ok that wasn't the question I asked...
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Postby Sdaeriji » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:48 am

Czechanada wrote:Wouldn't it be smart to buy up all the Rubles that one can right now and wait until the Ruble rises back up?


Only if you believe the following:

1. The ruble has reached its lowest point.
2. The ruble won't be redenominated.
3. The ruble won't be replaced.
4. Russia won't dollarize (or yuanize, more likely).
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European Socialist Republic wrote:That's a kick in Putin's rubles.

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:00 am

Yorkopolis wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:There is a conspiracy afoot to tank the Russian economy by causing oil prices to plummet. It is a plan concoted in Riyadh though I bet the USA is also involved..

Get your tinfoil hats my friends, the Illuminati must be behind this collapse!

Personally, if you ask me, Russia brought it upon itself. They set the stage for the Ukrainian crisis and war, and now they're paying the price for endlessly violating the sovereignty of not just Ukraine, but also of Moldova, Georgia and Azerbaijan. I hope this will have consequences for Putin.

no really, us secretary of state john Kerry dropped by Riyadh and got them to increase oil production enough to get this to happen. it IS an international plot to destabilize Russia.
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