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Turkish police arrest 23 in raids on opposition media

Postby Canaore » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:19 pm

So, it seems like Erdoğan has gone full Chavez now.

Turkish police have detained at least 23 people in orchestrated raids on opposition media outlets with close ties to the US-based Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen, a key critic of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

The raids came days after Erdoğan announced a fresh operation against supporters of Gülen, a former ally whom Erdoğan accuses of having established a “parallel organisation” – an influential network within state institutions such as the police and judiciary as well as within the media – that aims to overthrow the Justice and Development party (AKP) government. Gülen denies the charge.

The detained, including journalists, producers, scriptwriters, directors, police officers and two former police chiefs, are accused of forming an illegal organisation whose members “engage in forgery and slander”, according to a statement published by the Istanbul public prosecutor’s office.

During one raid a crowd of supporters assembled at the offices of the Zaman daily and chanted: “The free press cannot be silenced.” The newspaper’s editor-in-chief, Ekrem Dumanli, gave a defiant speech, widely publicised in Turkish media, in which he challenged police to arrest him. He was detained, as was the head of the Samanyolu Media Group, Hidayet Karaca.

“This is a shameful sight for Turkey”, Karaca told the press before he was seized by police. “Sadly this is how they treat a media group with tens of television and radio stations, internet media and magazines in 21st-century Turkey.”

The head of the main opposition Republican People’s party (CHP), Kemal Kiliçdaroğlu, called the raids “a coup against democracy” and accused the AKP of leading a “coup government”.

“[This] is not something that happens in healthy democracies. This is a coup process,” Kiliçdaroğlu said. “Detentions of journalists and dawn raids on television stations are not something we can accept under any circumstances.”

Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu, called the raids a test. “This is the day of the test. Everyone will be held accountable for what they have done, and for their attitude toward democracy in this country,” he said in an address to members of the AKP in eastern Turkey.

The power and influence of Gülen and his network has long been a defining issue of Turkish politics. The domination of Erdogan’s AKP for more than a decade was aided by his alliance with Gülen, and those who dared to criticise the Gülen movement were swiftly punished. It looks like Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon, at this rate.

Ahmet Şık, an investigative journalist jailed in 2011 for writing a book on Gülen’s penetration of the police, harshly criticised the raids against Gülenist media outlets. “What happens to the [Gülen movement] today, itself a powerful supporter of the fascism we faced a few years ago, is also called fascism. It is an ethical obligation to oppose fascism”, he tweeted.

Human rights groups also criticised the raids. “The detention of journalists and editors in the context of this latest wider operation of arrests looks like another attempt to crack down on critical media”, Human Rights Watch said. “The burden is on the government to produce evidence to justify accusing Zaman and Samanyolu group editors and journalists of being part of an organisation which attempted to capture state power, as the Istanbul judge’s detention warrant states.”

The offensive against Gülen, who lives in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, follows a corruption scandal in December last year that implicated the government, Erdoğan’s closest associates and his family. Maintaining that the allegations were a coup attempt, Erdoğan responded ferociously, purging the police of thousands of officers, transferring prosecutors linked to the investigation and tightening control over the judiciary. Prosecutors dropped the corruption charges this year.

Sunday’s media raids had been expected after an anonymous Twitter account that has previously announced similar police operations said security forces would detain 400 people last Friday, including approximately 150 journalists regarded as Gülen supporters.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/d ... tion-media

I'm surprised there haven't been any threads about this, especially since Erdoğan enjoys a lot of popularity among NSGers. :p

But really, Erdoğan? Really? Raiding opposition media? That's the kind of behavior I'd expect from some populist banana republic dictator. It looks like Turkey won't be joining the European Union anytime soon at this rate, and Erdoğan probably doesn't care. I feel really bad for the Turkish people, but that's on them for electing this asshole.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:21 pm

Disgusting. Why even bother calling Turkey democratic anymore?

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Postby Pantokrators » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:29 pm

Even.if Turkey neever had Erdogan and instead of him had a ultraliberal anti-theist presidentit would still never joined the EU. Who cannot see that is just not inteligent.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:29 pm

I guess I should just file Turkey in the same category as North Korea so I stop being disappointed every time the government drags them backwards another few decades.
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Postby Gezi Park » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:36 pm

Eventually they all will be brought to account. Erdogan is nothing compared to other dictators and their regimes that have ceased to exist. But when that time comes; we won't hold back and send them back to whatever previous age they came from; such that they will never come into appear again.

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Postby Arkotania » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:41 pm

I personally support the raids against the Gulen movement. I've had considerable personal experience with said movement, and have been a considerable part of it, and I've been against them ever since.
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Postby Estva » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:44 pm

Gezi Park wrote:Eventually they all will be brought to account. Erdogan is nothing compared to other dictators and their regimes that have ceased to exist. But when that time comes; we won't hold back and send them back to whatever previous age they came from; such that they will never come into appear again.


Sure didn't work the last time it was tried.
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Postby SuperFruitland » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:47 pm

Arkotania wrote:I personally support the raids against the Gulen movement. I've had considerable personal experience with said movement, and have been a considerable part of it, and I've been against them ever since.


#AintNobodyGotTimeForFreedomOfThePress

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Postby Arkotania » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:51 pm

SuperFruitLand wrote:
Arkotania wrote:I personally support the raids against the Gulen movement. I've had considerable personal experience with said movement, and have been a considerable part of it, and I've been against them ever since.


#AintNobodyGotTimeForFreedomOfThePress


I personally don't believe said movement deserves any freedoms. They're all a bunch of crooks. They speak of faith and progress, yet it's just an exclusive group of wealthy Turks domineering over others. They ask for charity from the commoners, yet drive around in their brand new luxury sedans. They speak of mercy and kindness, but if you aren't a "useful" asset to the organization, all you get is a cold shoulder.

They've certainly done a great job of making themselves look like shiny beacons, but it's all gilded. Underneath is nothing but arrogant power-tripping Turks who think themselves as being royally blessed by God. I spent years with these sorts, targeting "soft" people persuaded by the supposed moderate religious aspect. Yet the only thing they serve as are tools in the movements ambition to take power.
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Nononononononononono

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Arkotania wrote:
Then your testicles become strange tentacles.


And then you make films in Japan.

Ovisterra wrote:
Oceanic people wrote:where lives are at steak


I try not to point out people's spelling errors all the time, but this one was brilliant.


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Arkotania wrote:Or maybe NS is also a degraded society.

This. Definitely this.

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Qatarab(Arkotania Puppet) wrote:Where's my torch? Time to burn some courts down.


Oh, you crazy Muslim you!

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Postby Estva » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:52 pm

Arkotania wrote:
SuperFruitLand wrote:
#AintNobodyGotTimeForFreedomOfThePress


I personally don't believe said movement deserves any freedoms. They're all a bunch of crooks. They speak of faith and progress, yet it's just an exclusive group of wealthy Turks domineering over others. They ask for charity from the commoners, yet drive around in their brand new luxury sedans. They speak of mercy and kindness, but if you aren't a "useful" asset to the organization, all you get is a cold shoulder.

They've certainly done a great job of making themselves look like shiny beacons, but it's all gilded. Underneath is nothing but arrogant power-tripping Turks who think themselves as being royally blessed by God.

So you believe in the freedom of press for everyone so long as they agree with you.
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Postby Arkotania » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:56 pm

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Arkotania wrote:
I personally don't believe said movement deserves any freedoms. They're all a bunch of crooks. They speak of faith and progress, yet it's just an exclusive group of wealthy Turks domineering over others. They ask for charity from the commoners, yet drive around in their brand new luxury sedans. They speak of mercy and kindness, but if you aren't a "useful" asset to the organization, all you get is a cold shoulder.

They've certainly done a great job of making themselves look like shiny beacons, but it's all gilded. Underneath is nothing but arrogant power-tripping Turks who think themselves as being royally blessed by God.

So you believe in the freedom of press for everyone so long as they agree with you.


Being quite distrustful of the movement, and having first-hand experience with their lies, yes I do believe they don't deserve to spread their propaganda. Doesn't mean I have issues with every other group. If some communists want to spread propaganda, so be it. Anarchists? Go ahead. Radical Islamist? Go right ahead. Atheist News? I don't really care, let them speak!

It's not a matter of freedom of speech. It's a matter of the issues I've had with said movement, thus my lack of support for them in any matter. These folk are one group I certainly do not like, and do not support.
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Nononononononononono

Gauthier wrote:
Arkotania wrote:
Then your testicles become strange tentacles.


And then you make films in Japan.

Ovisterra wrote:
Oceanic people wrote:where lives are at steak


I try not to point out people's spelling errors all the time, but this one was brilliant.


Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Arkotania wrote:Or maybe NS is also a degraded society.

This. Definitely this.

Neo Arcad wrote:
Qatarab(Arkotania Puppet) wrote:Where's my torch? Time to burn some courts down.


Oh, you crazy Muslim you!

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Postby Estva » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:59 pm

Arkotania wrote:
Estva wrote:So you believe in the freedom of press for everyone so long as they agree with you.


Being quite distrustful of the movement, and having first-hand experience with their lies, yes I do believe they don't deserve to spread their propaganda. Doesn't mean I have issues with every other group. If some communists want to spread propaganda, so be it. Anarchists? Go ahead. Radical Islamist? Go right ahead. Atheist News? I don't really care, let them speak!

It's not a matter of freedom of speech. It's a matter of the issues I've had with said movement, thus my lack of support for them in any matter. These folk are one group I certainly do not like, and do not support.

Allowing this group to be suppressed, purely because you don't like them, will mean the others you mentioned will be suppressed to.

Your distaste for them is even worse than I thought, since it is obviously petty.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:59 pm

Canaore wrote:So, it seems like Erdoğan has gone full Chavez now.

Turkish police have detained at least 23 people in orchestrated raids on opposition media outlets with close ties to the US-based Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen, a key critic of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

The raids came days after Erdoğan announced a fresh operation against supporters of Gülen, a former ally whom Erdoğan accuses of having established a “parallel organisation” – an influential network within state institutions such as the police and judiciary as well as within the media – that aims to overthrow the Justice and Development party (AKP) government. Gülen denies the charge.

The detained, including journalists, producers, scriptwriters, directors, police officers and two former police chiefs, are accused of forming an illegal organisation whose members “engage in forgery and slander”, according to a statement published by the Istanbul public prosecutor’s office.

During one raid a crowd of supporters assembled at the offices of the Zaman daily and chanted: “The free press cannot be silenced.” The newspaper’s editor-in-chief, Ekrem Dumanli, gave a defiant speech, widely publicised in Turkish media, in which he challenged police to arrest him. He was detained, as was the head of the Samanyolu Media Group, Hidayet Karaca.

“This is a shameful sight for Turkey”, Karaca told the press before he was seized by police. “Sadly this is how they treat a media group with tens of television and radio stations, internet media and magazines in 21st-century Turkey.”

The head of the main opposition Republican People’s party (CHP), Kemal Kiliçdaroğlu, called the raids “a coup against democracy” and accused the AKP of leading a “coup government”.

“[This] is not something that happens in healthy democracies. This is a coup process,” Kiliçdaroğlu said. “Detentions of journalists and dawn raids on television stations are not something we can accept under any circumstances.”

Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu, called the raids a test. “This is the day of the test. Everyone will be held accountable for what they have done, and for their attitude toward democracy in this country,” he said in an address to members of the AKP in eastern Turkey.

The power and influence of Gülen and his network has long been a defining issue of Turkish politics. The domination of Erdogan’s AKP for more than a decade was aided by his alliance with Gülen, and those who dared to criticise the Gülen movement were swiftly punished. It looks like Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon, at this rate.

Ahmet Şık, an investigative journalist jailed in 2011 for writing a book on Gülen’s penetration of the police, harshly criticised the raids against Gülenist media outlets. “What happens to the [Gülen movement] today, itself a powerful supporter of the fascism we faced a few years ago, is also called fascism. It is an ethical obligation to oppose fascism”, he tweeted.

Human rights groups also criticised the raids. “The detention of journalists and editors in the context of this latest wider operation of arrests looks like another attempt to crack down on critical media”, Human Rights Watch said. “The burden is on the government to produce evidence to justify accusing Zaman and Samanyolu group editors and journalists of being part of an organisation which attempted to capture state power, as the Istanbul judge’s detention warrant states.”

The offensive against Gülen, who lives in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, follows a corruption scandal in December last year that implicated the government, Erdoğan’s closest associates and his family. Maintaining that the allegations were a coup attempt, Erdoğan responded ferociously, purging the police of thousands of officers, transferring prosecutors linked to the investigation and tightening control over the judiciary. Prosecutors dropped the corruption charges this year.

Sunday’s media raids had been expected after an anonymous Twitter account that has previously announced similar police operations said security forces would detain 400 people last Friday, including approximately 150 journalists regarded as Gülen supporters.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/d ... tion-media

I'm surprised there haven't been any threads about this, especially since Erdoğan enjoys a lot of popularity among NSGers. :p

But really, Erdoğan? Really? Raiding opposition media? That's the kind of behavior I'd expect from some populist banana republic dictator. It looks like Turkey won't be joining the European Union anytime soon at this rate, and Erdoğan probably doesn't care. I feel really bad for the Turkish people, but that's on them for electing this asshole.


He's gone full Chav*, not Chavez.

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Postby Gezi Park » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:07 pm

Arkotania wrote:
SuperFruitLand wrote:
#AintNobodyGotTimeForFreedomOfThePress


I personally don't believe said movement deserves any freedoms. They're all a bunch of crooks. They speak of faith and progress, yet it's just an exclusive group of wealthy Turks domineering over others. They ask for charity from the commoners, yet drive around in their brand new luxury sedans. They speak of mercy and kindness, but if you aren't a "useful" asset to the organization, all you get is a cold shoulder.

They've certainly done a great job of making themselves look like shiny beacons, but it's all gilded. Underneath is nothing but arrogant power-tripping Turks who think themselves as being royally blessed by God. I spent years with these sorts, targeting "soft" people persuaded by the supposed moderate religious aspect. Yet the only thing they serve as are tools in the movements ambition to take power.


As a Kemalist, we have suffered quite a lot because of Gulen and his movement. Lots of generals, officers, as well as journalists were deprived of their freedoms for years based on fake documents fabricated by this organization. On the other hand; a journalist who was a victim of that plot stated on Twitter that this was fascism in regardless to whatever happent in the past, and an official from Gulen organization replied to him apologizing for their past sins.

Undeniably; Gulenists are quite religious, but in a way that can be compared to Puritans, Evangelicans, or Opus Dei. I mean, they have some intellectual level at the very least and relatively more civilized. On the other hand; the AKP is made up by a bunch of uneducated rural rednecks or miserable losers in urban suburbs who have no life. Erdogan wants to overthrow the Republic and replace it with his own playground, deriving courage from the votes of these people. Gulenists and Kemalists can find a common ground at this point. Sure they've done a lot of bad things to our army but at the end of the day that has taught us to stand up for our rights and freedom on our own without expecting a bunch of generals to terminate democratic order, as demonstrated with the Gezi protests.

EDIT: Yea, what I just said was also mentioned in the article. This is good.

Ahmet Şık, an investigative journalist jailed in 2011 for writing a book on Gülen’s penetration of the police, harshly criticised the raids against Gülenist media outlets. “What happens to the [Gülen movement] today, itself a powerful supporter of the fascism we faced a few years ago, is also called fascism. It is an ethical obligation to oppose fascism”, he tweeted.
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Postby Fortschritte » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:10 pm

This is utterly ridiculous. Erdogan is a egotistical power hungry, authoritarian who threatens the liberal democracy that is imperative to Turkey.
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Merizoc wrote:Disgusting. Why even bother calling Turkey democratic anymore?

Why even bother calling democracy favorable? It almost always comes with bureaucracy.
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Postby Estva » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:24 pm

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Merizoc wrote:Disgusting. Why even bother calling Turkey democratic anymore?

Why even bother calling democracy favorable? It almost always comes with bureaucracy.

lol and you think dictatorships don't have bureaucracy?
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Servica wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Disgusting. Why even bother calling Turkey democratic anymore?

Why even bother calling democracy favorable? It almost always comes with bureaucracy.

I never said democracy was favorable. I'm a libertarian socialist (read, anarchist), not a democrat.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:52 pm

Aaaand Erdogan displays his schlong to the free world.
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Merizoc wrote:
Servica wrote:Why even bother calling democracy favorable? It almost always comes with bureaucracy.

I never said democracy was favorable. I'm a libertarian socialist (read, anarchist), not a democrat.

Well, you know, socialism is supposed to be a democratic process.
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Merizoc wrote:I never said democracy was favorable. I'm a libertarian socialist (read, anarchist), not a democrat.

Well, you know, socialism is supposed to be a democratic process.

It can be. It can also be anarchic.

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Estva wrote:Well, you know, socialism is supposed to be a democratic process.

It can be. It can also be anarchic.

Anarchist socialism is also democratic.

Direct democracy is, who would of thought, democratic. Unless you believe in tribalism?
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Estva wrote:
Merizoc wrote:It can be. It can also be anarchic.

Anarchist socialism is also democratic.

Direct democracy is, who would of thought, democratic. Unless you believe in tribalism?

I use democracy in the statist sense of the word.

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