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Postby DesAnges » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:24 pm

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Postby Gallade » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:24 pm

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Gallade wrote:You can get insurance cover for it, yeah. Ireland's healthcare system is more like the US than the UK. You get free healthcare if you're retired or close to the poverty line and we pay taxes for the hospitals, but everyone else pays through insurance or out of pocket for hospital stays and procedures.


Is this like with the whole water tax issue where people are claiming the government is trying to make everyone pay for it twice?

It has always been this way for healthcare, it's accepted. Don't get me started on having to pay for e.coli infested water. "It's to improve the service!" My arse, it is.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:32 pm

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Lordieth wrote:
Is this like with the whole water tax issue where people are claiming the government is trying to make everyone pay for it twice?

It has always been this way for healthcare, it's accepted. Don't get me started on having to pay for e.coli infested water. "It's to improve the service!" My arse, it is.


I guess on the whole, we do have it easier in Wales on some taxation issues. However, I would happily pay if it meant I got a better/faster healthcare service.

Never had problems with water. I stayed briefly in a hard water area in England once. That was about it. The water is very good here.
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Postby Gallade » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:38 pm

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Gallade wrote:It has always been this way for healthcare, it's accepted. Don't get me started on having to pay for e.coli infested water. "It's to improve the service!" My arse, it is.


I guess on the whole, we do have it easier in Wales on some taxation issues. However, I would happily pay if it meant I got a better/faster healthcare service.

Never had problems with water. I stayed briefly in a hard water area in England once. That was about it. The water is very good here.

Doing anything about hard water is not on the table with this tax. It's paying for the same shoddy service. If any private company sets up shop I'll happily pay them, because I'll know the water will be safe, but I'm not happy being lied to to pay off national debts.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:49 pm

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I guess on the whole, we do have it easier in Wales on some taxation issues. However, I would happily pay if it meant I got a better/faster healthcare service.

Never had problems with water. I stayed briefly in a hard water area in England once. That was about it. The water is very good here.

Doing anything about hard water is not on the table with this tax. It's paying for the same shoddy service. If any private company sets up shop I'll happily pay them, because I'll know the water will be safe, but I'm not happy being lied to to pay off national debts.


Sort of how I feel about many councils' aggressive parking fine policies. Don't pretend like that money is going into providing more parking facilities, and not into the council coffers. Fines are meant to be a deterrent. Not a revenue source.

I pay the water company that provides my water, and that's it. I have to pay a flat daily service charge (well, two actually), and then an additional charge for the water I use, but the rates are reasonable, and I'm happy with the service. The thought of paying for it, and then being taxed for it would be a bit of an insult.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:53 pm

You need some fracking, that's what you need. That'll sort the water right out.
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Postby Gallade » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:55 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Gallade wrote:Doing anything about hard water is not on the table with this tax. It's paying for the same shoddy service. If any private company sets up shop I'll happily pay them, because I'll know the water will be safe, but I'm not happy being lied to to pay off national debts.


Sort of how I feel about many councils' aggressive parking fine policies. Don't pretend like that money is going into providing more parking facilities, and not into the council coffers. Fines are meant to be a deterrent. Not a revenue source.

I pay the water company that provides my water, and that's it. I have to pay a flat daily service charge (well, two actually), and then an additional charge for the water I use, but the rates are reasonable, and I'm happy with the service. The thought of paying for it, and then being taxed for it would be a bit of an insult.

Oh, we don't currently directly pay for it at all. It's paid for through other taxes. Cold water is free, heating it just goes on the electricity bill.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:01 pm

Gallade wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Sort of how I feel about many councils' aggressive parking fine policies. Don't pretend like that money is going into providing more parking facilities, and not into the council coffers. Fines are meant to be a deterrent. Not a revenue source.

I pay the water company that provides my water, and that's it. I have to pay a flat daily service charge (well, two actually), and then an additional charge for the water I use, but the rates are reasonable, and I'm happy with the service. The thought of paying for it, and then being taxed for it would be a bit of an insult.

Oh, we don't currently directly pay for it at all. It's paid for through other taxes. Cold water is free, heating it just goes on the electricity bill.


Ah, so it's all based on tax. So they can then turn around and say, whoops, now we need an additional tax to pay for this other service..

Ireland seems to have it backwards. From my perspective, anyway. Private Health and Public Water.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:03 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:You need some fracking, that's what you need. That'll sort the water right out.


A good drilling to penetrate the surface to get at the precious treasures within?

Fracking. So sexy.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:03 pm

I wonder which god did I offend to get diarrhea?
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Postby Gallade » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:05 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:You need some fracking, that's what you need. That'll sort the water right out.


A good drilling to penetrate the surface to get at the precious treasures within?

Fracking. So sexy.

THE BRITISH ARE AFTER OUR GOLD!

It's happening agaaaaaaaaaain!
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:06 pm

Gallade wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
A good drilling to penetrate the surface to get at the precious treasures within?

Fracking. So sexy.

THE BRITISH ARE AFTER OUR GOLD!

It's happening agaaaaaaaaaain!


You shouldn't have buried it all under the rainbows. Dead giveaway, that.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:06 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:I wonder which god did I offend to get diarrhea?


Uranus, probably. Just saying...
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:07 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Gallade wrote:Oh, we don't currently directly pay for it at all. It's paid for through other taxes. Cold water is free, heating it just goes on the electricity bill.


Ah, so it's all based on tax. So they can then turn around and say, whoops, now we need an additional tax to pay for this other service..

Ireland seems to have it backwards. From my perspective, anyway. Private Health and Public Water.

We're semi private here in Dallas. The city charges us for the water used, and taxes subsidize the water facilities and the waterworks are on our property taxes.
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Postby Gallade » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:08 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Gallade wrote:THE BRITISH ARE AFTER OUR GOLD!

It's happening agaaaaaaaaaain!


You shouldn't have buried it all under the rainbows. Dead giveaway, that.

We prepared for this.

China, they're being mean to us!
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:13 pm

Gallade wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
You shouldn't have buried it all under the rainbows. Dead giveaway, that.

We prepared for this.

China, they're being mean to us!


Don't make us call America. They'll start dropping freedom and democracy from the skies.
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Postby Gallade » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:15 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Gallade wrote:We prepared for this.

China, they're being mean to us!


Don't make us call America. They'll start dropping freedom and democracy from the skies.

America attacking us. Haha. Hahahaha. Ha.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:16 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Ah, so it's all based on tax. So they can then turn around and say, whoops, now we need an additional tax to pay for this other service..

Ireland seems to have it backwards. From my perspective, anyway. Private Health and Public Water.

We're semi private here in Dallas. The city charges us for the water used, and taxes subsidize the water facilities and the waterworks are on our property taxes.


I can see how that would work. I kind of wish they'd make re-nationalise British Rail again here. They've gotten greedy since they were privitised.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:16 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Gallade wrote:Oh, we don't currently directly pay for it at all. It's paid for through other taxes. Cold water is free, heating it just goes on the electricity bill.


Ah, so it's all based on tax. So they can then turn around and say, whoops, now we need an additional tax to pay for this other service..

Ireland seems to have it backwards. From my perspective, anyway. Private Health and Public Water.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:16 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:I wonder which god did I offend to get diarrhea?


Uranus, probably. Just saying...

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Postby Lordieth » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:17 pm

Gallade wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Don't make us call America. They'll start dropping freedom and democracy from the skies.

America attacking us. Haha. Hahahaha. Ha.


I'll tell them you've got oil.
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Postby DesAnges » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:18 pm

Gallade wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Don't make us call America. They'll start dropping freedom and democracy from the skies.

America attacking us. Haha. Hahahaha. Ha.

They're already trying to steal your culture, why not just invade and be done with it?
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Postby Gallade » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:20 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Gallade wrote:America attacking us. Haha. Hahahaha. Ha.


I'll tell them you've got oil.

We do, unfortunately. MICHAEL COLLINS 2015 STOP THIS KNOWN TERRORIST
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:20 pm

>inb4 pg 100

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:20 pm

DesAnges wrote:
Gallade wrote:America attacking us. Haha. Hahahaha. Ha.

They're already trying to steal your culture, why not just invade and be done with it?

Ireland has invaded us, can't swing a cat around here and not hit an Irishman.

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