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by -United Islamic Emirate- » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:51 pm
by Threlizdun » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:52 pm
Capitalism does not drive innovation or help address scarcity. Capitalism promotes inefficiency and stagnation. These practices are profitable because they offer an increase in prices. The central focus of capitalism is maximum accumulation of capital, not sustainable and efficient use of resources. To address scarcity we must treat all resources as belonging to humanity in common.Ripoll wrote:Merizoc wrote:Capitalism necessitates consumption and expansion. It is the very definition of "unsustainable".
The economy is only in existence because of limited resources. If there was no limit of resources there would be no need to economize. Expansion and consumption are necessary to accommodate for the population increases and so fourth. Competing private enterprises drive the need to innovate and utilize resources more efficiently to create a cheaper yet better product. An economically stagnant nation is a sure way to failure, and the definition of stagnation is the lack of expansion or consumption.
While there is a certain amount of socialistic ideas incorporated into any economy and no economy is ran by a single economic train of thought, the means of production and the allocation of resources should mostly be in the hands of corporations with sufficient Government oversight to make sure it benefits the people and it is sustainable over a long period of time. I.E the federal reserve, environmental regulations, civil rights, etc.
by Ripoll » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:53 pm
Free Detroit wrote:Ripoll wrote:Maybe what you think you believe in and what the media has influenced you to believe are the same yet different from reality, and the morals you hold to be true align with what reality actually is and this quiz reflects the reality of what you should believe in and vote for if you are an American
Wait, what?
I hope that eye roll is implying sarcasm...
by Calimera II » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:56 pm
Threlizdun wrote:Capitalism does not drive innovation or help address scarcity. Capitalism promotes inefficiency and stagnation. These practices are profitable because they offer an increase in prices. The central focus of capitalism is maximum accumulation of capital, not sustainable and efficient use of resources. To address scarcity we must treat all resources as belonging to humanity in common.Ripoll wrote:
The economy is only in existence because of limited resources. If there was no limit of resources there would be no need to economize. Expansion and consumption are necessary to accommodate for the population increases and so fourth. Competing private enterprises drive the need to innovate and utilize resources more efficiently to create a cheaper yet better product. An economically stagnant nation is a sure way to failure, and the definition of stagnation is the lack of expansion or consumption.
While there is a certain amount of socialistic ideas incorporated into any economy and no economy is ran by a single economic train of thought, the means of production and the allocation of resources should mostly be in the hands of corporations with sufficient Government oversight to make sure it benefits the people and it is sustainable over a long period of time. I.E the federal reserve, environmental regulations, civil rights, etc.
by Threlizdun » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:58 pm
Ripoll wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that maybe your responses genuinely reflect what your train of thought is, but you don't actually know what's going on in politics and that's why you feel like you disagree with how you have been assessed.
by Ripoll » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:58 pm
Threlizdun wrote:Capitalism does not drive innovation or help address scarcity. Capitalism promotes inefficiency and stagnation. These practices are profitable because they offer an increase in prices. The central focus of capitalism is maximum accumulation of capital, not sustainable and efficient use of resources. To address scarcity we must treat all resources as belonging to humanity in common.Ripoll wrote:
The economy is only in existence because of limited resources. If there was no limit of resources there would be no need to economize. Expansion and consumption are necessary to accommodate for the population increases and so fourth. Competing private enterprises drive the need to innovate and utilize resources more efficiently to create a cheaper yet better product. An economically stagnant nation is a sure way to failure, and the definition of stagnation is the lack of expansion or consumption.
While there is a certain amount of socialistic ideas incorporated into any economy and no economy is ran by a single economic train of thought, the means of production and the allocation of resources should mostly be in the hands of corporations with sufficient Government oversight to make sure it benefits the people and it is sustainable over a long period of time. I.E the federal reserve, environmental regulations, civil rights, etc.
by Ravenstor » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:59 pm
Ripoll wrote:Ravenstor wrote:This test seems quite flawed in that it perpetuates the "there's only left wing vs. right wing" and that independents are all centrists. Yeah, it's a "real political compass test" if your entire political worldview exists purely within the Beltway narrative. In the real world, however, there is much greater variety.
mehhhh
Republicans and democrats both pretty much tie up at 45% and the remaining are independents with roughly only 3 or 4% being third partiers so no it's pretty representative of reality.
by Themiclesia » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:59 pm
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by Threlizdun » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:00 pm
I am advocating socialism, not Keynesian economic strategies, though government spending and minimum wages absolutely do help the economy by increasing spending power and the quality and quantity of services available to the populace. Belief that the price-mechanism will always find an equilibrium is ignorant if not delusional.Calimera II wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Capitalism does not drive innovation or help address scarcity. Capitalism promotes inefficiency and stagnation. These practices are profitable because they offer an increase in prices. The central focus of capitalism is maximum accumulation of capital, not sustainable and efficient use of resources. To address scarcity we must treat all resources as belonging to humanity in common.
Nope. Government Expenditure and Minimum Wages push prices more up than enterprises, the price-mechanism will always find an equilibrium.
by Ripoll » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:01 pm
Calimera II wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Capitalism does not drive innovation or help address scarcity. Capitalism promotes inefficiency and stagnation. These practices are profitable because they offer an increase in prices. The central focus of capitalism is maximum accumulation of capital, not sustainable and efficient use of resources. To address scarcity we must treat all resources as belonging to humanity in common.
Nope. Government Expenditure and Minimum Wages push prices more up than enterprises, the price-mechanism will always find an equilibrium.
by Greater-London » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:01 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:02 pm
Ripoll wrote:Ravenstor wrote:This test seems quite flawed in that it perpetuates the "there's only left wing vs. right wing" and that independents are all centrists. Yeah, it's a "real political compass test" if your entire political worldview exists purely within the Beltway narrative. In the real world, however, there is much greater variety.
mehhhh
Republicans and democrats both pretty much tie up at 45% and the remaining are independents with roughly only 3 or 4% being third partiers so no it's pretty representative of reality.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Themiclesia » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:03 pm
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by MERIZoC » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:03 pm
Ripoll wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Capitalism does not drive innovation or help address scarcity. Capitalism promotes inefficiency and stagnation. These practices are profitable because they offer an increase in prices. The central focus of capitalism is maximum accumulation of capital, not sustainable and efficient use of resources. To address scarcity we must treat all resources as belonging to humanity in common.
Well modern nations completely disagree with you and socialistic failures in the past should have been reason enough to stay clear from Government operated economies
the question now isn't if capitalism should be used as the primary economic system, it's what socialistic ideas should be implemented and to what extent. You see while economics is not a scientific form of study, we have natural experiments. Almost all of them confirm the fact that humans naturally privatize, and consumption as well as prices allocating resources is the most efficient form of markets operating.
by Ripoll » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:04 pm
Ravenstor wrote:Ripoll wrote:
mehhhh
Republicans and democrats both pretty much tie up at 45% and the remaining are independents with roughly only 3 or 4% being third partiers so no it's pretty representative of reality.
And those GOP and Democratic voters still only make up a minority of eligible voters and poll after poll suggests the vast majority want something different. Just because the system is rigged to favor the two-party duopoly, other positions do not cease to exist. This test is based on a very narrow view of ideology.
by Ripoll » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:07 pm
Merizoc wrote:Ripoll wrote:
Well modern nations completely disagree with you and socialistic failures in the past should have been reason enough to stay clear from Government operated economies
the question now isn't if capitalism should be used as the primary economic system, it's what socialistic ideas should be implemented and to what extent. You see while economics is not a scientific form of study, we have natural experiments. Almost all of them confirm the fact that humans naturally privatize, and consumption as well as prices allocating resources is the most efficient form of markets operating.
Modern nations are only evidencing what we're saying. Resources are growing scarcer. Poverty is getting worse. What socialistic failures have you observed? The vast majority of major economies throughout history have either been state capitalism or some form of market capitalist system.
If privatization is natural human behavior, why has it only arisen in the past 10,000 years or so?
by Greater-London » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:08 pm
Merizoc wrote:Poverty is getting worse.
by Ripoll » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:08 pm
by The Serbian Empire » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:09 pm
by Prezelly » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:10 pm
by Free Detroit » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:12 pm
Threlizdun wrote:No, liberalism is a distinct political theory with various socioeconomic implications, among them a support for a market capitalist economy. This quiz only applies to liberals, be they classical liberals, social liberals, conservative liberals or so forth. It applies to literally no one else. It discounts most political thought in history.
by The Serbian Empire » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:14 pm
Threlizdun wrote:Capitalism does not drive innovation or help address scarcity. Capitalism promotes inefficiency and stagnation. These practices are profitable because they offer an increase in prices. The central focus of capitalism is maximum accumulation of capital, not sustainable and efficient use of resources. To address scarcity we must treat all resources as belonging to humanity in common.Ripoll wrote:
The economy is only in existence because of limited resources. If there was no limit of resources there would be no need to economize. Expansion and consumption are necessary to accommodate for the population increases and so fourth. Competing private enterprises drive the need to innovate and utilize resources more efficiently to create a cheaper yet better product. An economically stagnant nation is a sure way to failure, and the definition of stagnation is the lack of expansion or consumption.
While there is a certain amount of socialistic ideas incorporated into any economy and no economy is ran by a single economic train of thought, the means of production and the allocation of resources should mostly be in the hands of corporations with sufficient Government oversight to make sure it benefits the people and it is sustainable over a long period of time. I.E the federal reserve, environmental regulations, civil rights, etc.
by Papait » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:18 pm
by Calimera II » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:20 pm
Papait wrote:Too bad its so america centric
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