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Do you think they are lazy, spoiled, or idealists? Pick what you want!

I think they're utter jerks for promoting crime!
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Not all anarchists support crime, some put up opinions on how to deal with crime.

Anarchy Federation wrote:Not all anarchists support crime, some put up opinions on how to deal with crime.

Wouldn't those be laws then?

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I think at least one of them needs to write a better OP.

Anarchism as such isn't necessarily bad. It's just not realisable in the form that it is desirable. What I want to say with that is, that some anarchists are definitely idealists, because they support a world view that can't come into existence. Others are dangerous, because they don't promote actual anarchism, but only something that is similar; something where the strongest person is the one in charge. By definition, that's not anarchism, because there is someone who gives orders.

Yes it would be laws, because anarchism means without rulers, not without laws. And got it litorale

I think they are useless.

Ashmoria wrote:I think they are useless.

Everything is useless when you don't exist.

Mostly naïve, rarely interesting.

They are, for the most part, idealists that don't understand how things work.

Servica wrote:I think they're utter jerks for promoting crime!
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Anarchists do not promote crime.

The Cobalt Sky wrote:

Anarchy Federation wrote:Not all anarchists support crime, some put up opinions on how to deal with crime.

Wouldn't those be laws then?

Also, this topic may cover this discussion:
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopi ... #p22694403

Anarchy = no rulers.

It says nothing about laws.

Ashmoria wrote:I think they are useless.

Other than doing the jobs they do, providing for themselves and their loved ones, and (most of them) paying those taxes you crave.

Pandeeria wrote:They are, for the most part, idealists that don't understand how things work.

Maybe they are anarchists because they understand how things work.

Anarchism is a sound ideal in and of itself. The main thing that I see in modern society is a complete lack of understanding what exactly a true anarchist is.
Society's definition: Punks who call for the downfall of society
These are not true anarchists. They claim that they are anarchists, but really they're just crazy b*****ds.
Real definition: Craftsmen (and women) who do not believe in the takeover of industry by mega-corporations, or the mass-production of items that can easily be created at home, in much better quality.

Children Confused Teens People who have most commonly dropped out of high-school and would rather live in a completely free society with no laws and no economy than get a minimum wage job and listen to higher-ups.

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:Children Confused Teens People who have most commonly dropped out of high-school and would rather live in a completely free society with no laws and no economy than get a minimum wage job and listen to higher-ups.

You really have no idea...

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:Children Confused Teens People who have most commonly dropped out of high-school and would rather live in a completely free society with no laws and no economy than get a minimum wage job and listen to higher-ups.

Not true at all. Most anarchists have graduated, gotten degrees, and everything. They have jobs. They just don't believe in mass-production of things they can make themselves.

EDIT: F***ing spell-check. DYAC

Servica wrote:

Ashmoria wrote:I think they are useless.

Everything is useless when you don't exist.

anarchists don't exist?

The GAmeTopians wrote:

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:Children Confused Teens People who have most commonly dropped out of high-school and would rather live in a completely free society with no laws and no economy than get a minimum wage job and listen to higher-ups.

Not true at all. Most anarchists have graduated, gotten degrees, and everything. They have jobs.

Is there any reason I should believe you over the other dude? Can either of you support your claims with evidence?

They just don't believe in mass-production of things they can make themselves.

The fuck does that have to do with anarchism?

Lazy idealists. One's with no real intention of ever really committing to their ideology.

While anarchism is essentially more of a methodology, than an ideology, towards achieving other systems (i.e. anarcho-communism, anarcho-capitalists etc); most people who openly consider themselves anarchists are more of the left, anti-capitalist, leaning anarcho-communism pool. So the socialists and anarchists tend to be aligned, or at least believe they are, to fight against the evil of right wing tory christian fascist corporations under their guise of 'the left'. And you'll see this during any riot or protest.

Like protests against spending cuts.

Now, I was under the impression that Anarchism was about society being run and managed from the bottom up, voluntarily, to install a grassroot society that is self governed, one that did not depend on the harmful and unnecessary presence of the state.

In which case, why the flying fuck are Anarchists bothered about spending cuts?

Why are anarchists joining forces with the Socialists about getting pissed, that the government is butting out of country's everyday management? When that is essentially their end game anyway?

It doesn't make any sense to me. If anarchism WERE achieved, there would be absolutely no government at all, and all we would be left with, is literally our own initiative and cunning to sustain ourselves. We couldn't bitch about the public sector not doing more, it wouldn't be there. If spending cuts are fiscal conservative, and fiscal conservatism is economically very right wing, Anarchism is one of the most economically right wing things I can think of.

Because spending cuts is the most anarchist thing a government can really do, as opposed to ceasing to exist altogether. But anarchists seem unhappy, and they join socialists in protest to demand the government get more involved with social programs.

Honestly, am I missing something here? Because that just seems really counter productive.

I don't mind anarchists, if they actually PRACTICE what they preach, and actually aim to install a grassroot society by self managing themselves. But the problem is, they never actually take the thumb out of their ass, and do it. They just talk about how it should be done all the time. They're full of talk.

Anarcho-communists are the ones that bug me, because of this, because they're always the ones that fail to remain consistent, instead they just seem to join occupations and protests for the identity politics of being 'left' and 'radical', always denying the credibility of anarcho-capitalists, always trying to make grand reductionist implications that the state and capitalism are intrinsic where as anarchism and communism and natural. At least anarcho-capitalists are actually consistent with what anarchism teaches.

On a personal level, I think anarcho-communists are just bitter and jealous, because anarcho-capitalists are the only anarchists who can actually go through with what they talk about better than anarcho-communists, and they just don't want to admit it.

OP, you'd better make a better OP before the mods arrive.

Regarding the topic, I think anarchists are the most hated political group right after fascists.

Skinia wrote:OP, you'd better make a better OP before the mods arrive.

Regarding the topic, I think anarchists are the most hated political group right after fascists.

*snort* Bullshit.

Anarchism is perhaps the worst idea ever devised! Without a government there would be chaos, instability, and lawlessness. Governments may make bad policies sometimes, but without them to make laws and policies, all the sickos out there (and we all know there are) will be able to commit crimes without any hindrance whatsoever. Also, if anarchism worked, nations could not exist.

Ifreann wrote:

Skinia wrote:OP, you'd better make a better OP before the mods arrive.

Regarding the topic, I think anarchists are the most hated political group right after fascists.

*snort* Bullshit.

How so? By advocating the overthrow of the current system with a revolution anarchists can stir up quite a hate and make quite a few enemies.

I'd actually be one if it weren't for the fact that governments purpose is to protect people so I have a lot of sympathy for them so I'd much rather have and anarchy than a totalitarian government, but representative democracy is always the best.