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Ardoki wrote:

Pan-America under the United States wrote:Your point was "it was 50% worse" so how exactly would that be comparable? Surely, you can't say that Motorcycle helmets can be grouped with balaclavas and Burqas.

The whole security argument lies on the assumption that someone can hide their identity and commit a crime with a burqa. The same can be said about a motorcycle helmet and a balaclava.

See: "A motorcycle helmet is for protection. That's the sole reason, you don't see people walking around with motorcycle helmets on."

Pan-America under the United States wrote:

Ardoki wrote:The whole security argument lies on the assumption that someone can hide their identity and commit a crime with a burqa. The same can be said about a motorcycle helmet and a balaclava.

See: "A motorcycle helmet is for protection. That's the sole reason, you don't see people walking around with motorcycle helmets on."

They can be used to commit crimes though and conceal your identity , that is why banks prohibit the wearing of them inside the building.

You do know that is is possible for an object to be used for more than its sole intended use?

Ardoki wrote:

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Jews and Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants - we all follow the same great God, and we all make this nation a great place to live. I have no issue with any of them.

Muslims also worship the same god.

Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Ardoki wrote:Muslims also worship the same god.

Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

It is a fact that you all worship the same god. Just because you refuse to recognise that fact, does not invalidate it.

P.S. A lot of Jews don't recognise christians as worshipping the right god.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Ardoki wrote:Muslims also worship the same god.

Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

Abrahamic religions, A&B.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Ardoki wrote:Muslims also worship the same god.

Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

Well, Jews believe your beloved Jesus was a false messiah, how is that any different?

Yes. Ban Abrahamic religion too.

Ardoki wrote:

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

It is a fact that you all worship the same god. Just because you refuse to recognise that fact, does not invalidate it.

No, it is not a fact. Allah and Jehovah are two separate deities.

Ardoki wrote:

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

It is a fact that you all worship the same god. Just because you refuse to recognise that fact, does not invalidate it.

P.S. A lot of Jews don't recognise christians as worshipping the right god.

Please recognize that not all of us recognize the same god. What I worship is something that could be considered different based on appearance, guidelines, etc; that doesn't mean I worship the same god as Archeuland, or a Jew, or a Muslim.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Ardoki wrote:Muslims also worship the same god.

Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

Muslims accept Jesus and the other prophets
Do u accept our prophet?

Theistic Satanism wrote:Yes. Ban Abrahamic religion too.

Or let's not, and say we didn't....

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Ardoki wrote:It is a fact that you all worship the same god. Just because you refuse to recognise that fact, does not invalidate it.

No, it is not a fact. Allah and Jehovah are two separate deities.

Then why do Arabic Christians refer to God as Allah?

Ardoki wrote:

Pan-America under the United States wrote:See: "A motorcycle helmet is for protection. That's the sole reason, you don't see people walking around with motorcycle helmets on."

They can be used to commit crimes though and conceal your identity , that is why banks prohibit the wearing of them inside the building.

You do know that is is possible for an object to be used for more than its sole intended use?

I realize that. However, neither of those can be used for safety. They aren't grouped in the same criteria as motorcycle helmets. One has an intended purpose, the other two don't. You wear a helmet so your brains don't get splattered over the pavement when you crash, you don't use the other two for those reasons. They're merely clothing.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Ardoki wrote:It is a fact that you all worship the same god. Just because you refuse to recognise that fact, does not invalidate it.

No, it is not a fact. Allah and Jehovah are two separate deities.

Well, none of them actually exist. However you all do worship the same imaginary deity, even though you refuse to believe that.

Jamjai wrote:

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

Muslims accept Jesus and the other prophets
Do u accept our prophet?

Here's another fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity - Muslims say that Christ was a prophet, but Christians and many Jews say that Christ is the Messiah. Since Christians also say that Christ is one with God in the Trinity, and Muslims say that Christ is a mere prophet, we truthfully do not worship the same God.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Ardoki wrote:Muslims also worship the same god.

Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

Wrong. They don't believe in the divinity of Christ but they do recognize him as a prophet, along with Moses. If some of them don't, they aren't following the Quran right. Also, it's not better to remain apart. Meeting new people opens the mind.

Ardoki wrote:

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
No, it is not a fact. Allah and Jehovah are two separate deities.

Well, none of them actually exist. However you all do worship the same imaginary deity, even though you refuse to believe that.

We don't that. While I don't affiliate with Archeuland's position, we don't know if he really does exist.

All Natural France wrote:

Ardoki wrote:It is a fact that you all worship the same god. Just because you refuse to recognise that fact, does not invalidate it.

P.S. A lot of Jews don't recognise christians as worshipping the right god.

Please recognize that not all of us recognize the same god. What I worship is something that could be considered different based on appearance, guidelines, etc; that doesn't mean I worship the same god as Archeuland, or a Jew, or a Muslim.

Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the exact same god. It is clearly in their texts, the Bible is built from the Torah, the Koran is built from the Bible. They are extensions of the previous religion.

Can you provide evidence to back up your claim that they do not?

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Jamjai wrote:Muslims accept Jesus and the other prophets
Do u accept our prophet?

Here's another fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity - Muslims say that Christ was a prophet, but Christians and many Jews say that Christ is the Messiah. Since Christians also say that Christ is one with God in the Trinity, and Muslims say that Christ is a mere prophet, we truthfully do not worship the same God.

It's a fundamental Jewish belief that Jesus was a false messiah.

The Cobalt Sky wrote:

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Neither Christians nor Jews recognize the legitimacy of Islam's deity. We don't count them as one of us. They do not count us as one of them, either. It is best that we remain separate. We don't want them in our culture, and they do not want us - the "great Satan", as they like to call us - in their culture.

Wrong. They don't believe in the divinity of Christ but they do recognize him as a prophet, along with Moses. If some of them don't, they aren't following the Quran right. Also, it's not better to remain apart. Meeting new people opens the mind.

I have no issue with meeting a Muslim, but my goal will be to teach them about Christ, not to embrace their prophet's teachings.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Ardoki wrote:It is a fact that you all worship the same god. Just because you refuse to recognise that fact, does not invalidate it.

No, it is not a fact. Allah and Jehovah are two separate deities.

If you knew anything about Islam you would know they are the same.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

Jamjai wrote:Muslims accept Jesus and the other prophets
Do u accept our prophet?

Here's another fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity - Muslims say that Christ was a prophet, but Christians and many Jews say that Christ is the Messiah. Since Christians also say that Christ is one with God in the Trinity, and Muslims say that Christ is a mere prophet, we truthfully do not worship the same God.

Uh, no.
Yes you do worship the same god, Christ has nothing to do with it. Your logic makes no sense.

Genivaria wrote:

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
No, it is not a fact. Allah and Jehovah are two separate deities.

If you knew anything about Islam you would know they are the same.

I understand how Islam works, and it is immensely flawed, morally speaking.

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:

The Cobalt Sky wrote:Wrong. They don't believe in the divinity of Christ but they do recognize him as a prophet, along with Moses. If some of them don't, they aren't following the Quran right. Also, it's not better to remain apart. Meeting new people opens the mind.

I have no issue with meeting a Muslim, but my goal will be to teach them about Christ, not to embrace their prophet's teachings.

How about you just leave them alone and let them believe whatever they want?

Guys, you're about to turn this into an Atheism vs Theism thread, and I don't appreciate that.

This was a good "Rag on the French Government" thread, and you guys are ruining it.