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The National Crusade Against the Police

Postby Maeserati » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:31 am

Fellow members of NationStates! Lend me your ears!

Recently, following incidents in Fergusson and Cleveland, there's been an evil image of cops, as militaristic, racist, murderers. These allegations are usually preempted by "disclaimers" of saying "I'm sure not all cops are murderers."

Saying this is no worse than saying "I'm sure not all black people steal." Or, "I'm sure not all Mexicans are illegal."

I understand why and how our national attitude motivates us to constantly question authority, and it's possibly one of the best things about America. However, recently it's been taken too far. We express outrage when police use armored trucks and tear gas to suppress riots. Do we honestly expect them to fight the protesters with their bare hands? Because these "peaceful protests" are anything but. Protesters are looting stores, throwing D-batteries, setting police cars on fire, and shooting firearms.

These police officers have devoted their lives to protecting people. And believe it or not, they occasionally get shot, and killed, by people. More often than not, they are killed in "bad neighborhoods." And the people who kill them, the true murderers, are regarded as heroes. This took place most notably in New York this year. A "gangster" killed two police officers. When he was arrested, the people were outraged; they celebrated the officers' murder with shrines to the killer. Rap songs glorify cop killing. And yet, we expect the valiant officers we send into these areas to be completely composed all of the time?

Michael Brown was shot because he just committed a violent robbery, and charged the officer, brawled with him- being nearly twice his size. If Mr. Brown had beaten Wilson to death, would there have been outrage? Would the NAACP denounced his actions? Would there be mobs of people demanding his arrest?

No. As an STL native, I know where I can find stories of police officers being killed in bad neighborhoods. Usually around page 4, slightly smaller than the story over a 5K or high-school play.

I wish to make it clear, I'm not condoning these events. But, police are under assault for defending their lives while rendering a service to the community. The officer that killed a child in Cleveland? That was wrong. But be aware; cops are killed in Cleveland sometimes- even by children.

That's the sad reality of gang-lands and slums. This is not a "black-problem." It's a gang problem. Its a drug problem. You want "white cops to stop killing black babies?" Then stop glorifying gangs. Encourage your children to be police officers. Encourage them to finish high school, get a good job and leave. Kick their a** if they associate with criminals or do drugs. We need more parental responsibility. We need MORE respect for police. We need less glory for gangs. We need the children to acknowledge that "dealing" or "ballin" will not help them.

Then again, who wants to make, buy, or listen to a rap song about going to law/med school, starting a business, responsible parenting, or doing good in school?

I'm ready for the coming wave of insults.
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Postby Soselo » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:32 am

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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:33 am

Black crime rates are actually significantly higher than they were sixty years ago. Similarly, black single parent households and illegitimacy are much more common than they were sixty years ago.

2 + 2 is...
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Postby Shiie » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:40 am

Anglo-California wrote:Black crime rates are actually significantly higher than they were sixty years ago. Similarly, black single parent households and illegitimacy are much more common than they were sixty years ago.

2 + 2 is...

They're attacking Bill Cosby too, it's not a coincidence. This is a worldwide attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGqlrVmVULc
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Postby Maeserati » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:41 am

Anglo-California wrote:Black crime rates are actually significantly higher than they were sixty years ago. Similarly, black single parent households and illegitimacy are much more common than they were sixty years ago.

2 + 2 is...


Absolutely, we need to eliminate these attitudes of "side-chicks."
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Postby Southern Hampshire » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:44 am

I am prepared to take up my carbine and kill rebels in the event of a national minority uprising against the police officer of this nation.

Modern day militia. Against it's own citizens.
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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:45 am

I blame the illuminazi. Now where's my tin foil hat...
jk. But I agree with the OP on this.

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Postby Scepez » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:45 am

I have to say, I agree with this, but what are we supposed to discuss? Seems like a bloggy post to me...
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Postby Greater Franco-Iberia » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:47 am

Anglo-California wrote:Black crime rates are actually significantly higher than they were sixty years ago. Similarly, black single parent households and illegitimacy are much more common than they were sixty years ago.

2 + 2 is...


2 + 2 is 4.
4 is pretty close to 3.
There are 3 points in a triangle.
Thus, all blacks must be Illuminati.
The only way to stop crime is to wear tinfoil hats so the Nigerians cannot hack your brain waves and turn you into a crime monster.
Then everything will be okay.
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Postby Snowfall the Unicorn » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:47 am

Maeserati wrote:Fellow members of NationStates! Lend me your ears!

Recently, following incidents in Fergusson and Cleveland, there's been an evil image of cops, as militaristic, racist, murderers. These allegations are usually preempted by "disclaimers" of saying "I'm sure not all cops are murderers."

Saying this is no worse than saying "I'm sure not all black people steal." Or, "I'm sure not all Mexicans are illegal."

I understand why and how our national attitude motivates us to constantly question authority, and it's possibly one of the best things about America. However, recently it's been taken too far. We express outrage when police use armored trucks and tear gas to suppress riots. Do we honestly expect them to fight the protesters with their bare hands? Because these "peaceful protests" are anything but. Protesters are looting stores, throwing D-batteries, setting police cars on fire, and shooting firearms.

These police officers have devoted their lives to protecting people. And believe it or not, they occasionally get shot, and killed, by people. More often than not, they are killed in "bad neighborhoods." And the people who kill them, the true murderers, are regarded as heroes. This took place most notably in New York this year. A "gangster" killed two police officers. When he was arrested, the people were outraged; they celebrated the officers' murder with shrines to the killer. Rap songs glorify cop killing. And yet, we expect the valiant officers we send into these areas to be completely composed all of the time?

Michael Brown was shot because he just committed a violent robbery, and charged the officer, brawled with him- being nearly twice his size. If Mr. Brown had beaten Wilson to death, would there have been outrage? Would the NAACP denounced his actions? Would there be mobs of people demanding his arrest?

No. As an STL native, I know where I can find stories of police officers being killed in bad neighborhoods. Usually around page 4, slightly smaller than the story over a 5K or high-school play.

I wish to make it clear, I'm not condoning these events. But, police are under assault for defending their lives while rendering a service to the community. The officer that killed a child in Cleveland? That was wrong. But be aware; cops are killed in Cleveland sometimes- even by children.

That's the sad reality of gang-lands and slums. This is not a "black-problem." It's a gang problem. Its a drug problem. You want "white cops to stop killing black babies?" Then stop glorifying gangs. Encourage your children to be police officers. Encourage them to finish high school, get a good job and leave. Kick their a** if they associate with criminals or do drugs. We need more parental responsibility. We need MORE respect for police. We need less glory for gangs. We need the children to acknowledge that "dealing" or "ballin" will not help them.

Then again, who wants to make, buy, or listen to a rap song about going to law/med school, starting a business, responsible parenting, or doing good in school?

I'm ready for the coming wave of insults.

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Postby Krjder » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:47 am

Maeserati wrote:Fellow members of NationStates! Lend me your ears!

Recently, following incidents in Fergusson and Cleveland, there's been an evil image of cops, as militaristic, racist, murderers. These allegations are usually preempted by "disclaimers" of saying "I'm sure not all cops are murderers."

Saying this is no worse than saying "I'm sure not all black people steal." Or, "I'm sure not all Mexicans are illegal."

I understand why and how our national attitude motivates us to constantly question authority, and it's possibly one of the best things about America. However, recently it's been taken too far. We express outrage when police use armored trucks and tear gas to suppress riots. Do we honestly expect them to fight the protesters with their bare hands? Because these "peaceful protests" are anything but. Protesters are looting stores, throwing D-batteries, setting police cars on fire, and shooting firearms.

These police officers have devoted their lives to protecting people. And believe it or not, they occasionally get shot, and killed, by people. More often than not, they are killed in "bad neighborhoods." And the people who kill them, the true murderers, are regarded as heroes. This took place most notably in New York this year. A "gangster" killed two police officers. When he was arrested, the people were outraged; they celebrated the officers' murder with shrines to the killer. Rap songs glorify cop killing. And yet, we expect the valiant officers we send into these areas to be completely composed all of the time?

Michael Brown was shot because he just committed a violent robbery, and charged the officer, brawled with him- being nearly twice his size. If Mr. Brown had beaten Wilson to death, would there have been outrage? Would the NAACP denounced his actions? Would there be mobs of people demanding his arrest?

No. As an STL native, I know where I can find stories of police officers being killed in bad neighborhoods. Usually around page 4, slightly smaller than the story over a 5K or high-school play.

I wish to make it clear, I'm not condoning these events. But, police are under assault for defending their lives while rendering a service to the community. The officer that killed a child in Cleveland? That was wrong. But be aware; cops are killed in Cleveland sometimes- even by children.

That's the sad reality of gang-lands and slums. This is not a "black-problem." It's a gang problem. Its a drug problem. You want "white cops to stop killing black babies?" Then stop glorifying gangs. Encourage your children to be police officers. Encourage them to finish high school, get a good job and leave. Kick their a** if they associate with criminals or do drugs. We need more parental responsibility. We need MORE respect for police. We need less glory for gangs. We need the children to acknowledge that "dealing" or "ballin" will not help them.

Then again, who wants to make, buy, or listen to a rap song about going to law/med school, starting a business, responsible parenting, or doing good in school?

I'm ready for the coming wave of insults.


Preach.

This is all too true. Fortunately, I've lived a fairly sheltered life and not had to ever see anything like this for real, but I see it around me. Much of society is falling down a slippery slope, and it's time something is done.
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Postby Maeserati » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:48 am

Scepez wrote:I have to say, I agree with this, but what are we supposed to discuss? Seems like a bloggy post to me...


That's the real question haha...

To be honest, I expected a lot more hostility.

I wanted to counter the current echo-chamber threads where people with common sense are the quite majority.
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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:49 am

Greater Franco-Iberia wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:Black crime rates are actually significantly higher than they were sixty years ago. Similarly, black single parent households and illegitimacy are much more common than they were sixty years ago.

2 + 2 is...


2 + 2 is 4.
4 is pretty close to 3.
There are 3 points in a triangle.
Thus, all blacks must be Illuminati.
The only way to stop crime is to wear tinfoil hats so the Nigerians cannot hack your brain waves and turn you into a crime monster.
Then everything will be okay.
I have solved the worlds problems, you are welcome Nation States.

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Postby Kouralia » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:49 am

As someone doing a degree in Policing, I approve of this message.

I also approve of this man's message.
Kouralia:

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Postby Brillnuck » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:49 am

Scepez wrote:I have to say, I agree with this, but what are we supposed to discuss? Seems like a bloggy post to me...

Mhm. It's a bit bloggy.
On topic though, I agree with the OP.
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Postby Maeserati » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:50 am

Also, I want to thank everyone for the support.

I happy that so many have common sense.
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Postby Kouralia » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:51 am

Brillnuck wrote:
Scepez wrote:I have to say, I agree with this, but what are we supposed to discuss? Seems like a bloggy post to me...

Mhm. It's a bit bloggy.

Point of discussion:

What can be done to reverse the growing trend of distrust toward the Police?
Kouralia:

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:52 am

I agree.


Also, why do people automatically assume when a person (especially a kid) gets shot, the police officer is this evil, ruthless person? I very much doubt, say the officer recently involved in that shooting in Cleveland, went to work thinking "you know what? Today I think I'll shoot an innocent kid. Sounds fun."
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Postby Scepez » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:56 am

Kouralia wrote:
Brillnuck wrote:Mhm. It's a bit bloggy.

Point of discussion:

What can be done to reverse the growing trend of distrust toward the Police?


In my eyes, nothing.
People will continue to be judging pricks no matter what. If it ain't the Police, then its the Court, and if it ain't the Court, it's the government.
Just like the middle ages, people looked for things to blame. They blamed themselves for the Black Death, thinking it was punishment from the man above. Now, they blame anyone BUT themselves.
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Postby Brillnuck » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:57 am

Kouralia wrote:
Brillnuck wrote:Mhm. It's a bit bloggy.

Point of discussion:

What can be done to reverse the growing trend of distrust toward the Police?

Maybe show the fact that there are good police officers. Not all police officers are racist and bad. The police protect people.

Three things need to be done:
Stop gang culture, reform the US police so that it doesn't have racist officers and promote anti-racism. We're humans. We're in the 21st century. We're technologically advanced, yet racism exists. There needs to be more efforts to tackle racism and gang culture.

As for the Cleveland incident, the police officer could had just asked the kid to give the toy gun for inspection. No violence needed.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:58 am

Maeserati wrote:
Scepez wrote:I have to say, I agree with this, but what are we supposed to discuss? Seems like a bloggy post to me...


That's the real question haha...

To be honest, I expected a lot more hostility.

I wanted to counter the current echo-chamber threads where people with common sense are the quite majority.

This is an echo-chamber too you know.

And before all you go apeshit on me, no, I do support the police. Specifically my local police, because I can't judge other police departments. But this is an echo-chamber too. No one disagreed.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:59 am

Anglo-California wrote:Black crime rates are actually significantly higher than they were sixty years ago. Similarly, black single parent households and illegitimacy are much more common than they were sixty years ago.

2 + 2 is...

Illegitimacy?
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Postby Maeserati » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:01 am

Scepez wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Point of discussion:

What can be done to reverse the growing trend of distrust toward the Police?


In my eyes, nothing.
People will continue to be judging pricks no matter what. If it ain't the Police, then its the Court, and if it ain't the Court, it's the government.
Just like the middle ages, people looked for things to blame. They blamed themselves for the Black Death, thinking it was punishment from the man above. Now, they blame anyone BUT themselves.


Same here. My favorite is when Fergussoners say "No peace until justice."

They got justice. A grand jury composed of a complete cross section of men and women, majority and minorities. They said nothing unjust happened.

They don't want justice.

They want revenge.
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Postby Maeserati » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:02 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:Black crime rates are actually significantly higher than they were sixty years ago. Similarly, black single parent households and illegitimacy are much more common than they were sixty years ago.

2 + 2 is...

Illegitimacy?


Conceived outside of marriage. Single parent households aren't necessarily illegitimate.
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Postby Brillnuck » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:02 am

Maeserati wrote:
Scepez wrote:
In my eyes, nothing.
People will continue to be judging pricks no matter what. If it ain't the Police, then its the Court, and if it ain't the Court, it's the government.
Just like the middle ages, people looked for things to blame. They blamed themselves for the Black Death, thinking it was punishment from the man above. Now, they blame anyone BUT themselves.


Same here. My favorite is when Fergussoners say "No peace until justice."

They got justice. A grand jury composed of a complete cross section of men and women, majority and minorities. They said nothing unjust happened.

They don't want justice.

They want revenge.

Violence isn't the answer. The rioters caused more harm than good.
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