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Postby Arab Jamahiriyahs » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:36 am

Just so to open up a new theatre for WWIII. :twisted:
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:38 am

Estado Nacional wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Where else are you gonna test your weapons?


Deserts, islands...


France.............
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Postby Trevor Phillip Enterprises » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:40 am

It is unfair, but to the Australian, but the actual citizens of Antarctica! AND YES I DO MEAN THE PENGUINS! They deserve to run a sovereign without the interference of humans who do not fully understand their way of life! Free Antarctica from the human oppressors!

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Postby Arab Jamahiriyahs » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:44 am

Trevor Phillip Enterprises wrote:It is unfair, but to the Australian, but the actual citizens of Antarctica! AND YES I DO MEAN THE PENGUINS! They deserve to run a sovereign without the interference of humans who do not fully understand their way of life! Free Antarctica from the human oppressors!

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:46 am

What is every body talking about? Penguins are British citizens and are a vital part of our South Atlantic Territories.

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Postby Republic of Hasgriu » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:48 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Estado Nacional wrote:
Deserts, islands...


France.............

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Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:37 am

Arab Jamahiriyahs wrote:Just so to open up a new theatre for WWIII. :twisted:

Like an IRL map pack it be.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:43 am

Arab Jamahiriyahs wrote:Just so to open up a new theatre for WWIII. :twisted:

So basically it will be partitioned between the Finns and the Russians?
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Postby All Natural France » Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:09 am

Estado Nacional wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Where else are you gonna test your weapons?


Deserts, islands...

That's exactly what America did with Bikini Atoll, Nuclear Testing, which ended in the contamination of 第五福龍丸/Daigo Fukuryū Maru and Inhabitants of the Ron̄ļap/Rongelap Atoll and Ron̄dik/Rongerik Atoll were affected with
Virtually all the inhabitants experienced severe radiation sickness, including itchiness, sore skin, vomiting, diarrhea, and fatigue. Their symptoms also included burning eyes and swelling of the neck, arms, and legs. The inhabitants were forced to abandon the islands, leaving all their belongings, three days after the test. They were relocated to Kwajalein for medical treatment
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:49 am

All Natural France wrote:
Estado Nacional wrote:
Deserts, islands...

That's exactly what America did with Bikini Atoll, Nuclear Testing, which ended in the contamination of 第五福龍丸/Daigo Fukuryū Maru and Inhabitants of the Ron̄ļap/Rongelap Atoll and Ron̄dik/Rongerik Atoll were affected with
Virtually all the inhabitants experienced severe radiation sickness, including itchiness, sore skin, vomiting, diarrhea, and fatigue. Their symptoms also included burning eyes and swelling of the neck, arms, and legs. The inhabitants were forced to abandon the islands, leaving all their belongings, three days after the test. They were relocated to Kwajalein for medical treatment

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Re: Is the Antarctic Treaty Unfair?

Postby All Natural France » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:35 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
All Natural France wrote:That's exactly what America did with Bikini Atoll, Nuclear Testing, which ended in the contamination of 第五福龍丸/Daigo Fukuryū Maru and Inhabitants of the Ron̄ļap/Rongelap Atoll and Ron̄dik/Rongerik Atoll were affected with

Do you really think Estado Nacional cares? He advocates for the burning down of the Amazon.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:10 pm

All Natural France wrote:
Estado Nacional wrote:
Deserts, islands...

That's exactly what America did with Bikini Atoll, Nuclear Testing, which ended in the contamination of 第五福龍丸/Daigo Fukuryū Maru and Inhabitants of the Ron̄ļap/Rongelap Atoll and Ron̄dik/Rongerik Atoll were affected with
Virtually all the inhabitants experienced severe radiation sickness, including itchiness, sore skin, vomiting, diarrhea, and fatigue. Their symptoms also included burning eyes and swelling of the neck, arms, and legs. The inhabitants were forced to abandon the islands, leaving all their belongings, three days after the test. They were relocated to Kwajalein for medical treatment

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Is the Antarctic Treaty Unfair?

Postby Parhe » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:25 pm

Australian Republic wrote:A) I feel there is a disadvantage to signatories. If, for example, a nation who is not a signatory wanted to take Australia's territory, or nuke Australian Antarctic Territory, Australia would be disadvantaged in that we (Australia) aren't allowed to stop it with military intervention
B) We (Australia) can't claim sovereignty over the claims, which means that we, Australia, can't build cities there right? but if a non-signatory nation wanted to build a city in our (Australia's) claim, there in every legal right to?
Am I correct with everything that I'm saying? What benefits do the signitories get? I feel the signatiry nations are getting the bad end of the deal here
C) The USA and Russia have the right to establish a claim whenever they want, correct? Does this mean that other nations have to forego their claims, or that they get to claim the un-claimed part? Are they under different rules?

This all seems unfair
A) Why do non-signatories get special treatment?
B) Why do non-signatories get special treatment?
C) Why do the USA and Russia get special treatment?

What is your opinion?

It isn't special treatment. It is the fact that no one cares enough and is powerful enough to do anything if a non-signatory decides to do something against the treaty. Same as every other treaty, it only binds the ones that choose to sign it. Or in other cases when forced to like Japan did to Korea in the 1800's. That is like saying North Korea gets special treatment to make nuclear weapons.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:18 pm

Australian Republic wrote:A) I feel there is a disadvantage to signatories. If, for example, a nation who is not a signatory wanted to take Australia's territory, or nuke Australian Antarctic Territory, Australia would be disadvantaged in that we (Australia) aren't allowed to stop it with military intervention
B) We (Australia) can't claim sovereignty over the claims, which means that we, Australia, can't build cities there right? but if a non-signatory nation wanted to build a city in our (Australia's) claim, there in every legal right to?
Am I correct with everything that I'm saying? What benefits do the signitories get? I feel the signatiry nations are getting the bad end of the deal here
C) The USA and Russia have the right to establish a claim whenever they want, correct? Does this mean that other nations have to forego their claims, or that they get to claim the un-claimed part? Are they under different rules?

This all seems unfair
A) Why do non-signatories get special treatment?
B) Why do non-signatories get special treatment?
C) Why do the USA and Russia get special treatment?

What is your opinion?


Not sure about Russia, but the USA has always gotten some special treatment, considering it is sadly the world's superpower.

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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:35 pm

That treaty comes up for revision in 2041. Chile and Argentina will continue until then to press there sovereignty to parts of the Antarctica. After all. its in there neighborhood unlike the other nations.

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Postby Syrixia » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:38 pm

Why can't nations just say "Let's just have this be neutral territory, we can build bases on it but we can't officially claim it"

It would be so much simpler...
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:46 pm

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Postby Shofercia » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:23 pm

Arab Jamahiriyahs wrote:
Trevor Phillip Enterprises wrote:It is unfair, but to the Australian, but the actual citizens of Antarctica! AND YES I DO MEAN THE PENGUINS! They deserve to run a sovereign without the interference of humans who do not fully understand their way of life! Free Antarctica from the human oppressors!

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:25 pm

Insaeldor wrote:Who would want to even claim Antartic territory?


Countries interested in the apparent mineral and other natural resource riches on the continent. Plus, exclusive rights in the seas around the continent as well, which are rich in marine life and edible fish.
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Postby Nickel Empire » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:26 pm

Everybody should leave Antarctica so they can make Happy Feet 3.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:30 pm

Syrixia wrote:Why can't nations just say "Let's just have this be neutral territory, we can build bases on it but we can't officially claim it"

It would be so much simpler...


Legally it is neutral territory. The claims on Antarctica are not legally recognized by other states, hence the overlapping claims.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:40 am

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Australian Republic wrote:A) I feel there is a disadvantage to signatories. If, for example, a nation who is not a signatory wanted to take Australia's territory, or nuke Australian Antarctic Territory, Australia would be disadvantaged in that we (Australia) aren't allowed to stop it with military intervention
B) We (Australia) can't claim sovereignty over the claims, which means that we, Australia, can't build cities there right? but if a non-signatory nation wanted to build a city in our (Australia's) claim, there in every legal right to?
Am I correct with everything that I'm saying? What benefits do the signitories get? I feel the signatiry nations are getting the bad end of the deal here
C) The USA and Russia have the right to establish a claim whenever they want, correct? Does this mean that other nations have to forego their claims, or that they get to claim the un-claimed part? Are they under different rules?

This all seems unfair
A) Why do non-signatories get special treatment?
B) Why do non-signatories get special treatment?
C) Why do the USA and Russia get special treatment?

What is your opinion?


Not sure about Russia, but the USA has always gotten some special treatment, considering it is sadly the world's superpower.

You didn't even go 25 years back in history?

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