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by New Macureus » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:41 pm
by Empire of Vlissingen » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:43 pm
Braberbourg wrote:As a Dutchman from the lower classes, wouln't it be better if we tax 20-25% for the lower classes, 40-45% for the middle classes and go French and tax the rich with a (still generous) 75%?
by Olivaero » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:51 pm
Faith Hope Charity wrote:Alyakia wrote:
alright. we will create a tax, and apply it equally to everyone.
lol it's a progressive tax everyone gets taxed equally it just so happens not everyone makes enough for it to apply to them
Or you have a system that is so small it intrudes less on everyone, and everyone still has skin in the game, instead of certain people being in a favored status with negative tax rates.
You have less of the maker-taker problem.
by West Aurelia » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:17 pm
Republic of Coldwater wrote:Militias aren't, but that doesn't mean they can't win wars or fight off an offensive. Indeed militias were integral in the revolutionary war and even today, poorly equipped militias in the Middle East can hold out against US Troops if they plan their tactics right.
Herargon wrote:Please tell me how a military is unneccessary when someone really attacks us.
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by The Serbian Empire » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:38 pm
by Jinos » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:36 pm
The Serbian Empire wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
And London.
If there's no loopholes, the rich will just leave as soon as the taxes get too high for their liking. The US has companies merging with Canadian corporations just so they can pay the lower Canadian corporate tax rates when compared to the US. I guess they failed to lobby for loopholes in the Ways and Means Committee.
by Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:04 am
by New Chalcedon » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:23 am
Laerod wrote:Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics .As a short-run strategy to reduce inflation and lower nominal interest rates, the U.S. borrowed both domestically and abroad to cover the Federal budget deficits, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion. This led to the U.S. moving from the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation.Reagan ultimately raised taxes more times than he cut them.Supporters pointed to the drop in poverty by the end of his term to validate that the tax cuts did indeed trickle down to the poor; opponents noted that the rate quickly shot up even higher in the first year of his successor's term, implying that the full effect of Reagan's policies led to a net increase in poverty.The nominal national debt rose from $900 billion to $2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure, an average national budget deficit per year of $237.5 billion, as compared to an average national budget deficit per year of $56.9 billion during Carter's tenure. The federal deficit as percentage of GDP rose from 2.65% of GDP in 1980, Carter's final budget year, to 3.04% of GDP in 1988, Reagan's final budget year.
by Herargon » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:05 am
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
by British Prussia » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:15 am
by Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:17 am
British Prussia wrote:30% Lower incomes
20% Middle incomes
10% Higher incomes
Not tossing out random percentages, just to give everyone a general idea. That way, the rich wouldn't want to leave. Problem solved.
by Herargon » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:21 am
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
by British Prussia » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:27 am
by Chestaan » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:29 am
by Laerod » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:29 am
by British Prussia » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:39 am
Laerod wrote:British Prussia wrote:No not by "punishing" the poor, nor kicking them down. It's a system that makes sense. Don't want the rich to leave? Don't tax them. But the state would still need income, so tax what you can, the people who won't leave.
Taking from the poor to give to the rich is the very definition of kicking people when they're down. I'm noting that even middle incomes are not being kicked as hard as the poor in your abomination of a tax bracket design.
by Laerod » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:48 am
British Prussia wrote:Laerod wrote:Taking from the poor to give to the rich is the very definition of kicking people when they're down. I'm noting that even middle incomes are not being kicked as hard as the poor in your abomination of a tax bracket design.
It's not being given to the rich, it's being given to the government. And yes, it makes sense to make the rich pay more because they can afford it, but they won't. Furthermore you'd attract more rich people to the country, which is always good. If you get them to spend ostentatiously on local products, it should even out via a acceptably low sales tax
by New Chalcedon » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:59 am
British Prussia wrote:Laerod wrote:Taking from the poor to give to the rich is the very definition of kicking people when they're down. I'm noting that even middle incomes are not being kicked as hard as the poor in your abomination of a tax bracket design.
It's not being given to the rich, it's being given to the government. And yes, it makes sense to make the rich pay more because they can afford it, but they won't. Furthermore you'd attract more rich people to the country, which is always good. If you get them to spend ostentatiously on local products, it should even out via a acceptably low sales tax
by European Socialist Republic » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:01 am
by New Chalcedon » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:07 am
New Macureus wrote:I used to favor a flat tax, but try making ends meet on my pay with that. Yeah, right. The last thing you want to do is force me to go on food stamps. No thanks. Remember, Reagan didn't favor flat taxes, and he was no flaming liberal.
European Socialist Republic wrote:
If it doesn't work it's because taxes are still too high! And we need to remove more of that pesky regulation!
by European Socialist Republic » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:29 am
by New Chalcedon » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:42 am
Republic of Coldwater wrote:West Aurelia wrote:
How will militias be more effective than a well-trained, organized military?
Militias aren't, but that doesn't mean they can't win wars or fight off an offensive. Indeed militias were integral in the revolutionary war and even today, poorly equipped militias in the Middle East can hold out against US Troops if they plan their tactics right.
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