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Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:00 pm**

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I support the police officers in this nation. Cops go through all kinds of training and background checks. There is not a crusade against blacks, 12-year olds, or anyone else in this nation. There is obviously a reason why this happened, and I look forward to hearing about it.

This.
I've been around plenty of people who poke fun at cops trying to get them to jump and such. Sometimes they do. It's a shame another kid is dead but, this thing happens a lot. I mean another moment probably happened right this second. It'll always happen like other horrible incidents no matter what anyone does and I just don't think the cops should harassed every time something like this happens.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:00 pm**

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:I believe there's already a thread on this, though a cursory glance didn't spot it. It's also worth noting that your source leaves off some VITAL information, like the fact that the fake gun had it's Safety Orange tip (that identifies it to LEOs as a fake gun) removed.

Yeah, I've seen pictures of the fake gun in question, and the thing looked a lot like a real gun. It's tragic, but this one actually does seem like an honest mistake.

I bet that cop feels horrible, killing a child?

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:00 pm**

Armstdern wrote:
Trygg wrote:The police dispatcher reported that the caller said the child had a gun, but that it was probably not real. I feel the respective officer didn't take this critical fact into consideration, and he probably didn't think hard enough about the fact that he was dealing with a twelve year old.

Exactly right, that cop is a murderer and should be treated as one.

Life in prison would be a good punishment.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:00 pm**

The balkens wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yeah, I've seen pictures of the fake gun in question, and the thing looked a lot like a real gun. It's tragic, but this one actually does seem like an honest mistake.

I bet that cop feels horrible, killing a child?

No doubt.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:01 pm**

The balkens wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yeah, I've seen pictures of the fake gun in question, and the thing looked a lot like a real gun. It's tragic, but this one actually does seem like an honest mistake.

I bet that cop feels horrible, killing a child?

Bet that paid suspension makes them regret it real badly.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:01 pm**

Why does everyone assume that all white cops are racist? It seems to me that that's racist in itself

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:01 pm**

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:By the way, if you are pointing a gun at a police officer - orange tip or no orange tip - you are going to get shot. That's how things work in this nation. Policemen are entitled to self defense as well, you know.

Read the 2nd Amendment.

Again, the officer really should have taken the fact that the kid was twelve into consideration before sending a bullet through his chest.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:01 pm**

Benuty wrote:
The balkens wrote:
I bet that cop feels horrible, killing a child?

Bet that paid suspension makes them regret it real badly.

Maybe its time that we change how police are trained?

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:01 pm**

For one, the cop in question was not told that the 911 caller stated that it was probably fake. Second, the cop was a rookie. It's possible that it was his first time being in that kind of situation. This seems to me to be an honest mistake. Though, I do think that the video tape of the events should be released.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:02 pm**

Sinuessa en Valle wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I support the police officers in this nation. Cops go through all kinds of training and background checks. There is not a crusade against blacks, 12-year olds, or anyone else in this nation. There is obviously a reason why this happened, and I look forward to hearing about it.

This.
I've been around plenty of people who poke fun at cops trying to get them to jump and such. Sometimes they do. It's a shame another kid is dead but, this thing happens a lot. I mean another moment probably happened right this second. It'll always happen like other horrible incidents no matter what anyone does and I just don't think the cops should harassed every time something like this happens.

Yeah, why should we blame the police when they screw up and kill people needlessly? Won't somebody think of their poor feelings?

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:02 pm**

Avenio wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:I believe there's already a thread on this, though a cursory glance didn't spot it. It's also worth noting that your source leaves off some VITAL information, like the fact that the fake gun had it's Safety Orange tip (that identifies it to LEOs as a fake gun) removed.

Speaking of leaving out vital information;

In a 911 call released by the police, the caller says that “a guy” who appeared to be a juvenile was pointing a pistol at people and scaring them, noting twice that the gun was “probably fake.” On Wednesday, the police released dispatch calls showing that the officers were not told that the gun might not be real. The police later identified it as an “airsoft” replica gun resembling a semiautomatic pistol.

The police knew right from the outset that the gun was most likely fake, but failed to notify the officers involved. You can already see the escalation that went on from there; the story got changed between the 9/11 call and the officers receiving the call from 'kid waving airsoft pistol' to 'black male brandishing weapon'.

Isn't that fucking incredible, he gets told it's probably not real and he still goes ahead and kills someone. Hope he gets thrown in prison for the rest of his life.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:02 pm**

The balkens wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yeah, I've seen pictures of the fake gun in question, and the thing looked a lot like a real gun. It's tragic, but this one actually does seem like an honest mistake.

I bet that cop feels horrible, killing a child?

He probably doesn't actually, he probably went home thinking "I done good today, I killed another black criminal heueheueheueu, I done real good!" These cops are assholes, they don't give a shit. That cop valued his life over a child's, there fourth he SHOULD NOT BE A COP.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:02 pm**

I was a BB Gun with the plastic orange tip removed, from the proper distance, I'm positive it looked like a real firearm.
And if you think for a second that there are and have never been instances where 12-year-olds have been capable of using guns to harm others. Well, you have too much faith in humanity.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:02 pm**

Don't worry guys, the cop was white so he probably won't be punished. (satire)

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:02 pm**

Armstdern wrote:
Trygg wrote:The police dispatcher reported that the caller said the child had a gun, but that it was probably not real. I feel the respective officer didn't take this critical fact into consideration, and he probably didn't think hard enough about the fact that he was dealing with a twelve year old.

Exactly right, that cop is a murderer and should be treated as one.

Keep in mind that this is the gun:

It would have been an easy mistake to make.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:02 pm**

[quote="Archeuland and Baughistan";p="22585824"][quote="Armstdern";p="22585809"]
IGNORE POST, IGNORE POST, MOVE ALONG

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:03 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Avenio wrote:
Speaking of leaving out vital information;

The police knew right from the outset that the gun was most likely fake, but failed to notify the officers involved. You can already see the escalation that went on from there; the story got changed between the 9/11 call and the officers receiving the call from 'kid waving airsoft pistol' to 'black male brandishing weapon'.

Isn't that fucking incredible, he gets told it's probably not real and he still goes ahead and kills someone. Hope he gets thrown in prison for the rest of his life.

You misread Avenio. He said that the police involved DIDN'T get told that it was probably not real.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:03 pm**

Armstdern wrote:
The balkens wrote:
I bet that cop feels horrible, killing a child?

He probably doesn't actually, he probably went home thinking "I done good today, I killed another black criminal heueheueheueu, I done real good!" These cops are assholes, they don't give a shit. That cop valued his life over a child's, there fourth he SHOULD NOT BE A COP.

How about you wait before you make assumptions?

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:03 pm**

United States Kingdom wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/27/us/video-shows-cleveland-officer-shot-tamir-rice-2-seconds-after-pulling-up-next-to-him.html?smid=fb-
nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=141977352200&_r=1

In my opinion, THIS IS BULLSHIT! The kid was fucking innnocent, and from what the data we have right now, he hasn't done anything, although evidence could be shown that I am wrong. I honestly am grateful that I live in Canada, where non of this shit happens. I am not stating every cop in the USA is bad, far from it, I am just stating that I feel more safer as an African and a Black person here in Canada, as opposed to the United States.

Any thoughts NSG?

PS: I am sorry if their is another thread about it, I didn't know. If you are referring to the Ferguson thread, it talks about Ferguson, not Cleaveland. Also, sorry for the spam, I deleted it very quickly so their is only one thread.

Oh, you'd be surprised just what cops can get away with in Canada, because it's a lot. The provincial newspaper here in BC (creatively called "The Province") ran a story about "Cowboy cops" in one of the regions here in BC. I didn't read a ton into it, but I think "cowboys" wasn't exactly the most accurate word. That said, there are problems with cops the world over. Comes with the fact they're in a position of power and a position of being able to carry a gun (except I'm not sure about that in the UK. Gotta look that up again sometime).

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:03 pm**

United States Kingdom wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/27/us/video-shows-cleveland-officer-shot-tamir-rice-2-seconds-after-pulling-up-next-to-him.html?smid=fb-
nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=141977352200&_r=1

In my opinion, THIS IS BULLSHIT! The kid was fucking innnocent, and from what the data we have right now, he hasn't done anything, although evidence could be shown that I am wrong. I honestly am grateful that I live in Canada, where non of this shit happens. I am not stating every cop in the USA is bad, far from it, I am just stating that I feel more safer as an African and a Black person here in Canada, as opposed to the United States.

Any thoughts NSG?

PS: I am sorry if their is another thread about it, I didn't know. If you are referring to the Ferguson thread, it talks about Ferguson, not Cleaveland. Also, sorry for the spam, I deleted it very quickly so their is only one thread.

They didn't kill him because he was black - stop trying to pull the racism card. They shot him because it was reported that he was waving around a gun (that looked like a real gun - had no orange safety indicator, but even if it did, people have been known to spray-paint the barrels of their guns orange so that the police mistake them for toys). When officers arrived, Rice reached into his waistband to draw the "disguised" airsoft gun from his waistband and died because of his stupidity.

Also, the Cleveland Police Department's statement said that the officer was distraught because of the incident - he didn't want to shoot Tamir Rice, but he felt that he had to to protect himself, other officers, and the people around them.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:03 pm**

Armstdern wrote:
The balkens wrote:
I bet that cop feels horrible, killing a child?

He probably doesn't actually, he probably went home thinking "I done good today, I killed another black criminal heueheueheueu, I done real good!" These cops are assholes, they don't give a shit. That cop valued his life over a child's, there fourth he SHOULD NOT BE A COP.

Gee, because there is no cause for alarm seeing a 12-year-old with a gun. Nope! Nothing to see here, better move right along.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:04 pm**

Avenio wrote:
Sinuessa en Valle wrote:This.
I've been around plenty of people who poke fun at cops trying to get them to jump and such. Sometimes they do. It's a shame another kid is dead but, this thing happens a lot. I mean another moment probably happened right this second. It'll always happen like other horrible incidents no matter what anyone does and I just don't think the cops should harassed every time something like this happens.

Yeah, why should we blame the police when they screw up and kill people needlessly? Won't somebody think of their poor feelings?

Well, when people OD on prescription meds we do make the corporations feel better. Why not worry about the cops feelings?

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:04 pm**

The balkens wrote:
Armstdern wrote:He probably doesn't actually, he probably went home thinking "I done good today, I killed another black criminal heueheueheueu, I done real good!" These cops are assholes, they don't give a shit. That cop valued his life over a child's, there fourth he SHOULD NOT BE A COP.

How about you wait before you make assumptions?

The cop is an asshole, as a police officer you don't value your own life over a child's, also if a police officer can't tell the difference between a fake and a real gun then he shouldn't be a cop in the first place.

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:05 pm**

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:By the way, if you are pointing a gun at a police officer - orange tip or no orange tip - you are going to get shot. That's how things work in this nation. Policemen are entitled to self defense as well, you know.

Read the 2nd Amendment.

So if someone points a nerf gun at me, I can shoot them?

Posted: **Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:05 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Isn't that fucking incredible, he gets told it's probably not real and he still goes ahead and kills someone. Hope he gets thrown in prison for the rest of his life.

Did you read the post you quoted? The officer wasn't told. It's reasonable to argue that the dispatcher / 911 operator should have passed that information on to the officer. It is NOT reasonable to blame the officer for not reacting properly information he was not given.

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