Cleaveland Officer Shoots A 12 YEAR OLD

[Lordieth]

I like how the central issue is on whether the cop made the right call or not (an extremely difficult thing to call), and not that it's perfectly legal to buy replica guns, and that parents would allow their child to carry one around.

[Skinia]

By the way, if you are pointing a gun at a police officer - orange tip or no orange tip - you are going to get shot. That's how things work in this nation. Policemen are entitled to self defense as well, you know.

Read the 2nd Amendment.

If a fake gun has an orange tip or bright coloring, it means the gun is fake and the cop who didn't identify it as fake and shot the kid broke the law.

[Krazakistan]

I like how the central issue is on whether the cop made the right call or not (an extremely difficult thing to call), and not that it's perfectly legal to buy replica guns, and that parents would allow their child to carry one around.

Are you implying that airsoft guns should be banned?

By the way, if you are pointing a gun at a police officer - orange tip or no orange tip - you are going to get shot. That's how things work in this nation. Policemen are entitled to self defense as well, you know.

Read the 2nd Amendment.

If a fake gun has an orange tip or bright coloring, it means the gun is fake and the cop who didn't identify it as fake and shot the kid broke the law.

You understand that there have been numerous occasions where criminals have painted firearms bright colors, and painted the barrels orange, to trick police officers into thinking the weapon is fake, yes?

[Skinia]

I like how the central issue is on whether the cop made the right call or not (an extremely difficult thing to call), and not that it's perfectly legal to buy replica guns, and that parents would allow their child to carry one around.

Are you implying that airsoft guns should be banned?

If a fake gun has an orange tip or bright coloring, it means the gun is fake and the cop who didn't identify it as fake and shot the kid broke the law.

You understand that there have been numerous occasions where criminals have painted firearms bright colors, and painted the barrels orange, to trick police officers into thinking the weapon is fake, yes?

This is a kid we're talking about. A fucking kid. Regardless, it's in your law you know.

[Krazakistan]

Are you implying that airsoft guns should be banned?



You understand that there have been numerous occasions where criminals have painted firearms bright colors, and painted the barrels orange, to trick police officers into thinking the weapon is fake, yes?

This is a kid we're talking about. A fucking kid. Regardless, it's in your law you know.

>implying children have never committed murder before
>implying children can't handle a weapon

[Big Jim P]

By the way, if you are pointing a gun at a police officer - orange tip or no orange tip - you are going to get shot. That's how things work in this nation. Policemen are entitled to self defense as well, you know.

Read the 2nd Amendment.

If a fake gun has an orange tip or bright coloring, it means the gun is fake and the cop who didn't identify it as fake and shot the kid broke the law.

The orange tip had been removed.

[Greed and Death]

If a fake gun has an orange tip or bright coloring, it means the gun is fake and the cop who didn't identify it as fake and shot the kid broke the law.

The orange tip had been removed.

I add an orange tip to my guns just in case I end up in a fire fight with police.

[Big Jim P]

The orange tip had been removed.

I add an orange tip to my guns just in case I end up in a fire fight with police.

Nowadays you can get all sorts of colours on polymer pistols straight from the manufacturers. Someone didn't think this through obviously.

[Skinia]

This is a kid we're talking about. A fucking kid. Regardless, it's in your law you know.

>implying children have never committed murder before
>implying children can't handle a weapon

I'm sure they have committed murder as often as grownups have that it's reasonable enough to arrest or shoot every kid with a toy gun out there.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>implying children have never committed murder before
>implying children can't handle a weapon

I'm sure they have committed murder as often as grownups have that it's reasonable enough to arrest or shoot every kid with a toy gun out there.

You are aware the toy gun in question didn't look like a toy gun right?

[Skinia]

I'm sure they have committed murder as often as grownups have that it's reasonable enough to arrest or shoot every kid with a toy gun out there.

You are aware the toy gun in question didn't look like a toy gun right?

I am. Jim already said the tip was removed and that the law itself I'm referring to hadn't been thought out too well.

[Acharastan]

A 12 yr old.

A F***ing 12 yr old.

*Sigh*

If it's a f***ing 12 yr old, the kid won't be able to aim well nor handle the recoil. I say run over an snatch the gun from his little hands.

Damn trigger happy police.

[Washington Resistance Army]

A 12 yr old.

A F***ing 12 yr old.

*Sigh*

If it's a f***ing 12 yr old, the kid won't be able to aim well nor handle the recoil. I say run over an snatch the gun from his little hands.

Damn trigger happy police.

Bullshit, I could fire handguns just fine when I was a kid.

You are aware the toy gun in question didn't look like a toy gun right?

I am. Jim already said the tip was removed and that the law itself I'm referring to hadn't been thought out too well.

Ah, alright. The whole incident is just a big case of miscommunication, the dispatcher didn't tell the responding officers it was probably fake.

[Skinia]

A 12 yr old.

A F***ing 12 yr old.

*Sigh*

If it's a f***ing 12 yr old, the kid won't be able to aim well nor handle the recoil. I say run over an snatch the gun from his little hands.

Damn trigger happy police.

Bullshit, I could fire handguns just fine when I was a kid.

I am. Jim already said the tip was removed and that the law itself I'm referring to hadn't been thought out too well.

Ah, alright. The whole incident is just a big case of miscommunication, the dispatcher didn't tell the responding officers it was probably fake.

Still, a kid with a gun is no danger to a trained cop. I still say the cop is in the wrong here.

[Imperializt Russia]

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In my opinion, THIS IS BULLSHIT! The kid was fucking innnocent, and from what the data we have right now, he hasn't done anything, although evidence could be shown that I am wrong. I honestly am grateful that I live in Canada, where non of this shit happens. I am not stating every cop in the USA is bad, far from it, I am just stating that I feel more safer as an African and a Black person here in Canada, as opposed to the United States.

Any thoughts NSG?

PS: I am sorry if their is another thread about it, I didn't know. If you are referring to the Ferguson thread, it talks about Ferguson, not Cleaveland. Also, sorry for the spam, I deleted it very quickly so their is only one thread.

What data, what evidence, what presumption of innocence?

As tragic as it is that a 12-year old child has been killed by police while carrying a (modified) fake firearm (and as bullshit as I agree the shooting seems at first), you're making wild assumptions and leaps of logic that are presently wholly unfounded.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Still, a kid with a gun is no danger to a trained cop. I still say the cop is in the wrong here.

You don't need training to shoot someone, especially at close range. If the gun was indeed real it would have posed a very real threat to the officer. I place blame on the dispatcher for not relaying the info that it was probably fake, I feel like that little tidbit could have prevented the kid from getting killed.

[Skinia]

Still, a kid with a gun is no danger to a trained cop. I still say the cop is in the wrong here.

You don't need training to shoot someone, especially at close range. If the gun was indeed real it would have posed a very real threat to the officer. I place blame on the dispatcher for not relaying the info that it was probably fake, I feel like that little tidbit could have prevented the kid from getting killed.

Again, agreed, but you can't deny the situation could've been handled better by the officer, can you?

[Washington Resistance Army]

You don't need training to shoot someone, especially at close range. If the gun was indeed real it would have posed a very real threat to the officer. I place blame on the dispatcher for not relaying the info that it was probably fake, I feel like that little tidbit could have prevented the kid from getting killed.

Again, agreed, but you can't deny the situation could've been handled better by the officer, can you?

Oh yeah it could have been, but the officer in question being a rookie responding to someone he thinks is waving a gun around and pointing it at people and all that. I can see how it happened the way it did.

[Ifreann]

What part of "Had something that looked REALLY like a gun" are you not getting?

Did you read my first post? It doesn't matter what he had. You can't shoot kids.

I think you mean "shouldn't", because kids get shot all the time.

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How come no one talks about the implication this has on open-carry gun laws?

That would mean opposing a police shooting, which might lead to one agreeing with liberals.

[Big Jim P]

You are aware the toy gun in question didn't look like a toy gun right?

I am. Jim already said the tip was removed and that the law itself I'm referring to hadn't been thought out too well.

No, I said manufacturers offering different colours on their polymer guns wasn't thought through. Especially when you consider that toy guns are made colourful specifically to prevent them from being mistaken for a real gun.

[Big Jim P]

A 12 yr old.

A F***ing 12 yr old.

*Sigh*

If it's a f***ing 12 yr old, the kid won't be able to aim well nor handle the recoil. I say run over an snatch the gun from his little hands.

Damn trigger happy police.

Are you kidding me? I and each one of my siblings could shoot by the time we were in first grade.

[Skinia]

I am. Jim already said the tip was removed and that the law itself I'm referring to hadn't been thought out too well.

No, I said manufacturers offering different colours on their polymer guns wasn't thought through. Especially when you consider that toy guns are made colourful specifically to prevent them from being mistaken for a real gun.

That's precisely what I meant. Isn't there a law that dictates so?

[Ifreann]

I am. Jim already said the tip was removed and that the law itself I'm referring to hadn't been thought out too well.

No, I said manufacturers offering different colours on their polymer guns wasn't thought through. Especially when you consider that toy guns are made colourful specifically to prevent them from being mistaken for a real gun.

I say we go the other way on it. Mandate that real firearms be brightly coloured and let kids have the cool black toys.

[Lordieth]

I like how the central issue is on whether the cop made the right call or not (an extremely difficult thing to call), and not that it's perfectly legal to buy replica guns, and that parents would allow their child to carry one around.

Are you implying that airsoft guns should be banned?

No. That it should be very difficult to confuse them with actual firearms. An orange tip that can be removed is a token gesture to appease law makers.

[Sediczja]

A 12 yr old.

A F***ing 12 yr old.

*Sigh*

If it's a f***ing 12 yr old, the kid won't be able to aim well nor handle the recoil. I say run over an snatch the gun from his little hands.

Damn trigger happy police.

In real life it can only take one shot to kill, and at pretty much any age, it's not hard to line up the sights and pull the trigger. It's tragic, but at the end of the day the officer reacted as he was trained to and as he believed was best at the time.