Cleaveland Officer Shoots A 12 YEAR OLD

[Washington Resistance Army]

This is why the US needs to have better gun laws.

... What?

[Planita]

This is why the US needs to have better gun laws.

run before Archie comes

[Trygg]

Archie has a habit of threadjacking everything.

SECULARISM! SECULARISM IN THE CABINETS!! SECULARISM IN THE KITCHEN WITH DINAH!

I needed that

[United States Kingdom]

I'm a Christian, I have stated that I am against abortion(in some cases, not all), but you bringing in something that is not relevant to the topic makes me feel like I shouldn't even be one. I mean seriously, what the hell does a 12 year old kid have to do with giving birth to someone?

its Archie, you are gonna have to get used to it.

Oh trust me, I already am.

[Pope Joan]

He was told three times to put his hands in the air. Instead of complying, he reached in the back of his belt and pulled out what looked like a handgun. It's on video.

Too bad, but in this case the shooting was justified.

[Armstdern]

This is why the US needs to have better gun laws.

... What?

The cop would've just beat the boy to death if he didn't have the gun, I'm sure of it. Just watch the video, that kid was walking over to that car as if they had called for him and bam, they shot him through the window.

[Mavorpen]

This is why the US needs to have better gun laws.

... What?

Just an attempt at a threadjack. Don't give it attention.

[Kriegers]

He was told three times to put his hands in the air. Instead of complying, he reached in the back of his belt and pulled out what looked like a handgun. It's on video.

Too bad, but in this case the shooting was justified.

^ This.

[Fartsniffage]

He was told three times to put his hands in the air. Instead of complying, he reached in the back of his belt and pulled out what looked like a handgun. It's on video.

Too bad, but in this case the shooting was justified.

You have a video with audio?

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

This is why the US needs to have better gun laws.

Nope, leave gun grabber.

Registration = Confiscation!

[Armstdern]

He was told three times to put his hands in the air. Instead of complying, he reached in the back of his belt and pulled out what looked like a handgun. It's on video.

Too bad, but in this case the shooting was justified.

Proof that he was told to put his hands in the air? Is there a recording? To me the video looks like the cops called him over.

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

hey, i heard about this in my 1st hour in school, and i live in the murder mitten (FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, IT'S A NICKNAME FOR MICHIGAN) my fellow classmates said if the police officer had to shoot, shoot him in the knee to slow the kid down, not shoot him in the head. The cops are in the wrong in my opinion.

[Geilinor]

Full video of the shooting, for those interested.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... hot_1.html

7:10 for the killing.

It's strange how they pulled up off road and just shot him.

[Planita]

He was told three times to put his hands in the air. Instead of complying, he reached in the back of his belt and pulled out what looked like a handgun. It's on video.

Too bad, but in this case the shooting was justified.

You have a video with audio?

no the police officers reported that they said that. it wasn't on video

[Frisbeeteria]

Nope, leave gun grabber.

Registration = Confiscation!

You've already tried one threadjack with abortion. Now it's gun laws. Knock it off, or expect a forumban.

[Mavorpen]

Full video of the shooting, for those interested.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... hot_1.html

7:10 for the killing.

It's strange how they pulled up off road and just shot him.

Yeah, it seems pretty abrupt.

[United Marxist Nations]

Apparently it was also a new officer without much experience; that was probably a contributing factor.

[Iron Fist Sovereignty]

Which raises my question again, where did the officer shoot the boy, does anyone know? Because if there was a way of shooting that boy non-lethally, then I am concerned by the fact he did not.

The harsh truth -

A dead person can't harm anyone. A person just tazed may have the energy to pull off a few rounds.

Lethal force necessary.

Tasers can't be reliably used in scenarios like such. Officers are trained to not use their tasers in these situations because they don't always work. If someone's on PCP, cranked up on meth, or just if the prongs of the taser strike the body too close together, it won't stop them.

The officer involved made the tactical, reasonable choice.

[Fartsniffage]

You have a video with audio?

no the police officers reported that they said that. it wasn't on video

Watching the video, I wonder when they had the time to say anything...

[Iron Fist Sovereignty]

It's strange how they pulled up off road and just shot him.

Yeah, it seems pretty abrupt.

The video also skips and there's no audio, so we don't know what happened or what verbal warnings were given before the officer fired his weapon. However, I guarantee that a verbal warning(s) were given before shots were fired.

[Mefpan]

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

This brings up an interesting point, by the way. You say that killing a child is not justified. What about abortions? Secularists typically support that, after all. Where do we draw the line? A child in the womb is helpless and defenseless, but this 12 year old waving the gun around was neither helpless or defenseless, he was violent and hostile.

These things are not equal and this is not the thread for that.

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

To be fair, this was the first time where I'd actually put much of the blame with person relaying emergencies to the officers in question. Hearing that it's most likely a toy looking like a firearm would've helped calm the situation; but I can see how an officer would freak out if a child pointed something gun-like at him and do something stupid because he thought it could be real given that every last tart in America can own a bloody gun and they can more often than not find their way into the hands of children who, as previous stories have told us, will not necessarily handle these with the care required.
And it's not easy to tell that toy from an actual gun. Hell, even if that thing was neon pink I'd be careful because I'm pretty certain it's possible to paint guns that color and still have them work anyway. Not necessarily very encouraging odds to wager one's life over.

A horrible situation for all involved: The child didn't comply with the officer's request, likely thinking it part of the game played. The officer hadn't been told it was likely a fake and feared for his life, making a choice that didn't need to be made. A person working at dispatch fucked up on their job by omitting vital call information. The caller...I'm not sure...it sounds like they were pretty certain it was just a toy, I'm torn whether calling the police was necessary for that.

[Donut section]

Yeah, you live in a country where you believe its OK to have guns, don't get mad when your kids get shot.

[Planita]

no the police officers reported that they said that. it wasn't on video

Watching the video, I wonder when they had the time to say anything...

I think they were yelling as they pulled up

[Mavorpen]

Apparently it was also a new officer without much experience; that was probably a contributing factor.

Yep, it was a rookie like I said earlier. He probably had never experienced something like that. That and he was misinformed didn't help things.

[Armstdern]

Look at the video, they just drove up and shot him. It was murder, plain and simple. The officer that shot him should be locked up for good.