Ferguson Megathread

[Imperial--japan]

Cap as many rioters as possible.

real internet tough guy here.

I'm glad you think so.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Stupid fucks, rioting for nothing.

yeah, i'm sure you assume murder is nothing when the innocent soul left bleeding on the concrete is black.

How many REAL innocent palestinians were killed in August, huh? This guy resists arrest and get shot. That is clearly acceptable.

[The Social Justice Warrior]

Hispanic cop. Zimmerman was Hispanic too. Thanks for you playing.

Oh Zimmerman is hispanic now? Funny all the news said he was white.

you can be a white hispanic or a black hispanic.

seriously, stop saying ignorant things.

[The balkens]

So did Trayvon Martin. Didn't help him much.

I think Trayvon would've been helped to not have been out at night in the first place. Nothing good happens after 8 pm, it is an unnecessary risk.

he was in his own neighborhood. had every right to be there, nope, had to have some wannabe cop stalk his ass and kill him.

[Zeinbrad]

Given the precedent set by Florida and Missouri, I'm surprised the police aren't using live ammunition. Then again maybe there's too many white protestors in the way.

Are you saying that those police officers are completely fine with doing that?

[Geilinor]

Those "random people" were presented the evidence. They said no indictment. Case closed.

Not good enough for me. I want to see the evidence. No more goddamn secrecy to protect the cops when they murder someone for no goddamn reason.

The secrecy isn't because of the cops, the secrecy is standard procedure.

[Insaeldor]

Oh no a sin what should do! Oh lordy lordy!

Anyway I don't see why you need to just post random borderline spam on your feelings then contribute to the dialogue going on here.

Why can't we all be Americans and stop this? By the way, I did not commit blasphemy.

Because America is built on the idea of confront authority when one feels it over teachers its boundaries. Obvious this doesn't justify the riots however it does justify the acts of the peaceful protesters. We're also build on free and open thought with also supports the action of peaceful protestors. Being american is to confront thing that you believe are wrong.

Also I never said you commited blasphemy so who gives a fuck?

[Asyir]

Backwards? What do you know about justice? Jack shit that's what.

You don't honestly believe that do you?

Yes, backwards. Yes i know alot about justice. And yes, i bleive in that.

No you don't. You just want satisfaction for your bloodlust.

[Gauthier]

Even more shameless to scrabble for any pretense to the point assuming Hispanic = Black. Plz try agn.

Actually, in the U.S., you are more likely to be racially profiled if you seem Latino, too.

The officer in the article supposedly proving a black cop shooting a white unarmed teenager would not be indicted was Hispanic. And the shooting victim was not an unarmed white teenager.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That's not acting ethically. That's acting unprofessionally. It's nearly unheard of for prosecutors to do the defense's job for them, and it's evidence that the D.A.'s office never had any desire to fire charges.

He gave the Grand Jury ALL the information instead of suppressing evidence that didn't support a case. Man what a fucking dick.

You do know what a Brady Violation is right? While not applicable to a Grand Jury process it was by far more ethical than normal. GJ should be apprised of all information not just what the prosecutor wants them to get.

Not giving the Grand Jury evidence favorable to the defense is not a Brady violation. Withholding said information from defense attorneys is a Brady violation. The prosecutor's only obligation when it comes to a Grand Jury is to provide evidence that a crime MIGHT have been committed. This was, again, not ethical. This was an abdication of professional responsibilities to thoroughly prosecute a case on behalf of the people.

If you think that Grand Juries should get all evidence, that's fine, but it's not how things work right now, and if they aren't doing that with every single Grand Jury in Ferguson, then the unusual approach to this case is evidence of self-sabotage.

[Ethel mermania]

i dunno,

i want to know the timeline and what happened, if mike grabed at the gun and was shot at that time, its reasonable on the cops part. If there was a struggle, some shots were fired during the struggle, (which would be ok) then kid ran, the cop got out of the car and then the kid tried to surrender and was shot an indictment would be reasonable.

remember the kid was twice the cops size, in a fair fight he would have taken the cop apart.

I just...now we'll never know. There's not going to be any closure either way. We don't get to see the facts brought before a jury, the cases argued by competent attorneys, a decision made once and for all...this is basically just saying "fuck it" rather than proving his innocence, and that's what pisses me off. Either the Grand Jury is covering for him, which is admittedly unlikely but not totally impossible, or they honestly thought that a trial would be more costly and frivolous than the fallout from refusing to hold one, in which case I question their dedication to upholding the "order" part of the justice system's "law and order" theme.

i think once the initial struggle was proved via the forensic evidence, there was no chance they would indict I dont think any grand jury anywhere would no matter the race of the victim or the cop. Its just not human nature to expect that kind of restraint, but that is what the cops are suppose to do. that said that does not mean an indicment would not be warranted. Till i see the released evidence it is still an open question to me.

What i think we can say is that michael brown got due process, justice may not be possible. remember the feds can still take a crack at wilson on a civil rights violation

[Jinos]

Do you people even listen to yourselves? Really? Who in their right mind would charge at someone holding a gun at them, while they were already bleeding from being shot twice?

Not only did Darren Wilson shoot at a fleeing Michael Brown (who was hit in his arm, which caused him to stop and turn around) he shot a surrendering Michael Brown...even as said person was falling down to the ground (which is how the fatal bullet ended up hitting the top of his head).

Did you listen to the verbal reconstruction of the shooting? Here's a good summary of the head shot; http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168966- ... -shooting/.

I can't speak to Brown's thought process, and neither can you. Brown's arms weren't up when he was shot, and he was shot from the front, not behind. According to the prosecutor the forensics are consistent with multiple firing intervals, meaning Brown was shot, ran and was not shot, turned to attack Wilson and was shot, stopped and was not shot, then continued his attack and was shot fatally.

He was shot in the back of the arm when he was running (besides, even if he was not shot, that doesn't change the fact Wilson was shooting at him as he ran. Just because Wilson didn't hit him wouldn't change that fact).

Frankly, if you think someone would turn around and run back AT the guy who was shooting at you, you're mental.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Because he ran suddenly voids any crime that he did?

no, but it does mean that the officer shouldn't have the right to shoot at him anymore seeing as he is no longer presenting a clear and present danger to his life.

Do you know this for a fact?
Have you seen the evidence which proves he was no longer a clear and present danger?

[West Angola]

The secrecy isn't because of the cops, the secrecy is standard procedure.

And the Prosecutor explained the rationale behind that prior to announcing the decision. As well as saying the evidence would be released.

[-The West Coast-]

I'm very happy with this verdict and I'm glad to see even under the incredible pressure from the black community to serve a wrongful guilty verdict to former officer Darren Wilson and delivered a not-guilty verdict and upheld the justice system that makes the USA great.

[Ruridova]

On the one hand, I can understand why there is outrage. I certainly feel as though justice has been told to kindly fuck off.

On the other hand, rioting isn't exactly going to solve anything.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Tell me, do you get lonely in that imaginary world you live in?

Tell me, you get hungry, scared or just sick in that backwards country you live in?

I do, and then I eat.
Not really.
Well I mean I get a cold occasionally.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

While i'd love to continue this great, educational and above all pointless debate, i'm heading off, almost bedtime and i like to enjoy the riots a bit more. Night all!

[The Social Justice Warrior]

yeah, i'm sure you assume murder is nothing when the innocent soul left bleeding on the concrete is black.

How many REAL innocent palestinians were killed in August, huh?

again, relevance?

i weep for the palestinians and the systemic oppression they endure as a class of people on a daily business under the thumb of corrupt governance, psychotic "freedom fighters", and the iron fist of the at times tyrannical israeli government and israeli settlers.

this doesn't prevent me from weeping for the injustice happening in my home country, however.

[Gauthier]

Given the precedent set by Florida and Missouri, I'm surprised the police aren't using live ammunition. Then again maybe there's too many white protestors in the way.

Are you saying that those police officers are completely fine with doing that?

Since it's implicitly legal for police to shoot blacks why would they show restraint otherwise?

[Margno]

Not good enough for me. I want to see the evidence. No more goddamn secrecy to protect the cops when they murder someone for no goddamn reason.

The secrecy isn't because of the cops, the secrecy is standard procedure.

The secrecy is standard procedure to protect the state from criticism.

[Arcturus Novus]

I'm very happy with this verdict and I'm glad to see even under the incredible pressure from the black community to serve a wrongful guilty verdict to former officer Darren Wilson and delivered a not-guilty verdict and upheld the justice system that makes the USA great.

Why exactly do you feel that justice has been served? Petty theft is not worth a death sentence, much less without trial.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Hispanic cop. Zimmerman was Hispanic too. Thanks for you playing.

Oh Zimmerman is hispanic now? Funny all the news said he was white.

Zimmerman is a white hispanic.

Legally white, but COULD also be considered Hispanic.

Then again it's mostly how he identifies himself so yes, Zimmerman is white.

[Jinos]

The struggle at the car is irrelevant. I see no reason why people should put such significance on whether Brown reached for Wilson's gun, or anything else that occurred there.

All that matters is that Brown ran, and while he was running Wilson shot at him. How else do you explain how Brown ran 100ft from Wilson's patrol car?

Because he ran suddenly voids any crime that he did? Like strong arm robbery, assaulting a police officer?

"HEY GUYS! I COMMITTED HOME INVASION, KILLED THE FAMILY! BUT I RAN AWAY, THAT MEANS I CANT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!"

Killing someone is ONLY justifiable if your life is in danger. Darren Wilson's life was not in danger by some kid running away.

He could've EASILY gotten back in his patrol car, and called for help to chase down Michael Brown and arrest him later. Instead, he opened fire. That is not excusable.

[Eastern Equestria]

Oh Zimmerman is hispanic now? Funny all the news said he was white.

AFAIK, Zimmerman was white, not Hispanic.

EDIT: according to this, he's both. white and Hispanic.

Hispanic is not a race. Latino Americans come in black, white, and mestizo varieties.