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Upper America
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Postby Upper America » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Upper America wrote:I'm vacationing in Nashville. Think I'm far enough?

I'm in West TN. (a little North of Jackson), and there's nothing big going on around here.

Well, downtown was relatively quiet. The only protest I saw was this morning with a lonely guy standing near a sign shaming Marriott.

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I can't say I'm surprised. The timing of the announcement almost seemed like it had riots as the goal.

Like wtf release the information at 8pm after dark?

They should have done it in the morning. Seeing how more black people are arrested in Ferguson than white people, I wouldn't be surprised if they just wanted to chuck more people in prison.
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Postby Jinos » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
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And these "Good cops" sit back and do nothing when bad cops brutalize people. They're little better in my opinion.

It doesn't matter how many good cops there are, if bad cops can do out and kill or beat with impunity, then there is a problem with the damned system.


Then fix the damn problems! But rioting won't do that!


Nothing will be done, not by those in power. Obama could've directed the DoJ to intervene and charge DW themselves, or any other kind of person, he could instruct the FBI to start investigating these police brutalities. Congress could pass a law doing the same. Who knows? Maybe that will happen, I doubt it though.

The only recourse for the people is to take justice into their own hands. It is undesirable, mob violence is a terrible thing.

But what is worse? A riot? Or a lack of faith in our justice system? I believe the latter to be less desirable.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Jinos wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:
You people are literally the worst.


Worse than the racists over at Yahoo who are talking about how this "thug" deserved to be gunned down from behind for stealing a few cigars?

Yeah. We're the worst :roll:


You both look like fools.

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Jinos wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:
You people are literally the worst.


Worse than the racists over at Yahoo who are talking about how this "thug" deserved to be gunned down from behind for stealing a few cigars?

Yeah. We're the worst :roll:


Actually, people saying flamboyant comments on the internet is about the same as people saying flamboyant comments on the Internet.
So you are about the same as those Yahoo commenters from an unbiased standpoint.

FYI I'm no white knight myself... I have a pretty bad rap sheet for doing the aforementioned...


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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Asyir wrote:There was no indictment. Therefore, there was no case. Why should we waste taxpayer dollars if the result will be the same?


Who said they would be the same?


If there wasn't enough evidence to warrant an indictment, there damn sure wasn't enough to garner a conviction.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

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Asyir wrote:So you would essentially bully the others into submission? Wow. That's true justice.


If it would serve justice, then yes.


That's not precisely justice. That's just being a bad juror.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Is now a good time to move far, far away?
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Postby Insaeldor » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Communist Volkstrad wrote:What does ISIS have to do with this?

The people rioting don't recognize the real enemy.
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:That's one hell of a non-sequitur. I guess that social problems disappear in your mind when there are people from other countries we could be shooting?

The social problems should be irrelevant here. As is said in a recently popular movie, they should just let it go.


St. Louis =/= whole of America. Just because people in St. Louis doesn't mean we don't recognize ISIS as a threat.
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The Seleucids (Ancient)
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
No i was not, if i was in it they would never come to an agreement.
Already said multiple times.
Nope, don't have to either.


Exactly, you don't care about evidence, logic, reason, the right thing, or even justice. You just want to see a mother fucker burn. I'd have more respect if you would just admit that.


I do, i do, i do and i do. I just happen to live in a country where logic, reason, the right thing and justice matter.

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Postby Asyir » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Asyir wrote:There was no indictment. Therefore, there was no case. Why should we waste taxpayer dollars if the result will be the same?


Who said they would be the same?

I did. If the Grand Jury didn't have enough to indict him, why should I, a tax paying citizen, pay to get the same results from a trial? Espeically if my money could go in better places.
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Postby Jinos » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

The balkens wrote:
Jinos wrote:
Worse than the racists over at Yahoo who are talking about how this "thug" deserved to be gunned down from behind for stealing a few cigars?

Yeah. We're the worst :roll:


He tried to fight the officer and failed spectacularly .


Fighting =/= Running away.

Had they been soldiers, what Darren Wilson did would be a war crime.
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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Justice is a produce of Law. Law is not a product of Justice.


Law should promote justice, period.


I practiced law for ten years in PA. Our justice system is neither just nor systematic, and the laws have scant connection to justice. If anything, justice is more honored in the breach.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Asyir wrote:So you would essentially bully the others into submission? Wow. That's true justice.


If it would serve justice, then yes.



You do realize that is literally what ALL of Western Democracy is against right?

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Justice is a produce of Law. Law is not a product of Justice.


Law should promote justice, period.


And justice was served.

You know what wasn't? Revenge.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

Asyir wrote:
Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:The majority of National Guard soldiers and airmen hold a civilian job full-time while serving part-time as a National Guard member

Same with Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine reservists. Are they not military either?

Then why are they called "National Guard" and not US-Military-Wingman-For-Oppressing-Black -Minorities? This is ridiculous. Black People loot, riot and they send the NG, and they feel oprressed.?

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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:The people rioting don't recognize the real enemy.
The social problems should be irrelevant here. As is said in a recently popular movie, they should just let it go.

...Are you high? Are you under a contract with Disney where you have to mention Frozen in every thread or you lose your Christmas bonus?

The people in Ferguson should literally let it go. I am making a point here. Stop the rioting!
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Postby The United States of North Amerigo » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

I think it's justice that the US treats Brown's shooter as an equal citizen within the court room, and that he even got court case. Like I said before this case has been seen thousands of times in Florida with people of other races, no outrage and rioting there...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

greed and death wrote:
Southern Arkansas wrote:
You are wrong.

They sent home the national guard and called in the independent local militia organizations to maintain order to save money.
Anon is going on listing photos and names of these militia claiming ties to the KKK and Neo Nazis.



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Postby Margno » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:59 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I can't say I'm surprised. The timing of the announcement almost seemed like it had riots as the goal.

Like wtf release the information at 8pm after dark?

Yeah, they're trying to bait the protestors into rioting to discredit their movement and justify a crackdown. It's a favorite pig tactic.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:00 pm

Jinos wrote:
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He tried to fight the officer and failed spectacularly .


Fighting =/= Running away.

Had they been soldiers, what Darren Wilson did would be a war crime.


A war crime?

Being dramatic a bit much?

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Postby Asyir » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:00 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Asyir wrote:So you would essentially bully the others into submission? Wow. That's true justice.


If it would serve justice, then yes.

If 11 people disagree with you, then your ideal of justice is wrong.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:00 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
I indeed do not have a clue about the law in the US, which appears to be a backwards law. So you're right in that.


Still leaps and bounds better then whatever 3rd world country you're apparently from, where lynch mobs and mass rioting and looting are acceptable ways of protest. :roll:


Whaha, 3rd world country XD
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:00 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I can't say I'm surprised. The timing of the announcement almost seemed like it had riots as the goal.

Like wtf release the information at 8pm after dark?


the timing of the announcement was such to make sure that little kids were not caught at school and would not be effected by the riots

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Postby Jinos » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:01 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Jinos wrote:
Worse than the racists over at Yahoo who are talking about how this "thug" deserved to be gunned down from behind for stealing a few cigars?

Yeah. We're the worst :roll:

Whoa. Mike Brown's chest was backward? I thought I was the only one?


I exaggerated slightly. Since Darren Wilson was such a coward, he managed to mostly miss his fleeing target, and was only able to execute Michael Brown when he stopped and turned around to surrender.

But that sounds MUCH worse when I elaborate on the details.
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Postby Emile Zola » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:01 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Here's what makes me believe that justice was not served:

The usual process when presenting evidence before a grand jury is for the prosecutor to show the evidence that a crime was committed, and to ask for a particular indictment. There is no requirement that a prosecutor give any information that might be considered favorable to the defense, and indeed, it is almost unheard of for a prosecutor to do so. In this case, the prosecutor simply dumped all of the information into their laps, including information that could be seen as favorable to the defense, and gave a laundry list of possible charges. There was no serious attempt to indict. The fact that defense attorneys are not allowed to mount a defense during grand jury proceedings was meaningless in this case, since the prosecutor did their job for them.

Best summation of why people are upset.

What kind of prosecutor lets the accused testify for his defense at a grand jury?

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