Chinese Socialism is Capitalism

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

Ever since the time of Deng Xiaoping, China has been a capitalist country, but not in the Chinese' opinion. From what I see the Chinese government has been desperately clinging to the idea that their still communist with ridiculous psuedo arguments, I read on Wikipedia that the Chinese claim that since Capitalism leads to communism there is nothing capitalist about maintaining a capitalist style economy or socialist market economy as they call it. This thread has little material to debate on like many of the excellent threads I made before, but I dunno I'd like to see some talk about China and "communism".

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

here is a quote from the wiki page

"When asked how long the primary stage of socialism would last, Zhao replied, "[i]t will be at least 100 years ... [before] socialist modernization will have been in the main accomplished."[8] The state constitution states that "China will be in the primary stage of socialism for a long time to come".[9] As with Zhao, Jiang believed that it would take at least 100 years to reach a more advanced stage"

[Threlizdun]

Well yeah, that much should be obvious. You are incorrect in stating it has only been capitalist since Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms though, whereas it had been capitalist before that.

[Toronina]

Most people already know this. The only people who don't are those who go "Ermagherd Socializim is teh ebul"

[Herrebrugh]

China isn't communist, and it highly likely isn't intending to ever be communist.

Pretty sure that's it for this thread.

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

Well yeah, that much should be obvious. You are incorrect in stating it has only been capitalist since Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms though, whereas it had been capitalist before that.

yeah I don't know much about Chinese economic history, was in Zhou Enlai then?

[Republic of Coldwater]

Not really, as the Chinese Government monopolizes may sectors (at least for the domestic economy) and stops the Free Market from working in numerous sectors, but they have grown a bit more Capitalist overtime.

[Napkiraly]

In other news water has been discovered to indeed be wet.

[Communist Volkstrad]

In other news water has been discovered to indeed be wet.

WHOA WHAT? Water is wet? What the hell? I call bullshit, that's impossible!

[Napkiraly]

Not really, as the Chinese Government monopolizes may sectors (at least for the domestic economy) and stops the Free Market from working in numerous sectors, but they have grown a bit more Capitalist overtime.

Monopolizing certain sectors and having interventionist policies doesn't mean they don't have a capitalist economy.

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

Not really, as the Chinese Government monopolizes may sectors (at least for the domestic economy) and stops the Free Market from working in numerous sectors, but they have grown a bit more Capitalist overtime.

complete liberalization is not necessary for a capitalist economy

[Napkiraly]

In other news water has been discovered to indeed be wet.

WHOA WHAT? Water is wet? What the hell? I call bullshit, that's impossible!

It's true, I'm sorry. Neil DeGrasse Tyson betrayed us all.

[Skinia]

Ermagersh, you figured it all out. Good job, sport.

[Communist Volkstrad]

WHOA WHAT? Water is wet? What the hell? I call bullshit, that's impossible!

It's true, I'm sorry. Neil DeGrasse Tyson betrayed us all.

That lying son of a bitch... We'll get him for this!!!!

[Nortrom]

At this point countries have to follow the same capitalist system or be isolated. China neither wants nor can switch to a more socialist system.

[Brillnuck]

Communism is a stateless, classless and moneyless society.

I'd say China is Market Socialist, or pseudo Market Socialist.

[Skinia]

Communism is a stateless, classless and moneyless society.

I'd say China is Market Socialist, or pseudo Market Socialist.

How is China socialist in any way, shape or form?

[Margno]

Socialism with Chinese characteristics is capitalism, Marxism Leninism is capitalism, and Juche is the holy fuck variety of capitalism. Socialism has probably never happened and according to most people who aren't in Stalin's fan club can't happen in just one country. Communism, at a stretch, you could say happened in Catalonia once for three years, but most people would say can't happen in just one country.

[Servica]

At the time of the Paris Commune, believe it or not, socialism was a utilitarian concept. I don't know who the heck up and decided "screw this, let's make it look like socialism is a tool for world domination. who gives a damn about the well being of each individual?", but I outright admit that it sucks. Just as a tycoon is egoistically narrow, most "socialists" after Lenin had been socially narrow.

[Brillnuck]

Socialism with Chinese characteristics is capitalism, Marxism Leninism is capitalism, and Juche is the holy fuck variety of capitalism. Socialism has probably never happened and according to most people who aren't in Stalin's fan club can't happen in just one country. Communism, at a stretch, you could say happened in Catalonia once for three years, but most people would say can't happen in just one country.

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You've summed it up.

Capitalism is everywhere. Sorry, but it's everywhere.

[Rhodesia]

"Chinese socialism is capitalism"

No, it's state capitalism. There's a difference.

[Skinia]

"Chinese socialism is capitalism"

No, it's state capitalism. There's a difference.

Doesn't matter. Capitalism is capitalism, whether it's state, market or "anarcho"-capitalism.

[Brillnuck]

"Chinese socialism is capitalism"

No, it's state capitalism. There's a difference.

State capitalism is still capitalism. It still is for profit, except it's for the state.

[Margno]

"Chinese socialism is capitalism"

No, it's state capitalism. There's a difference.

It's a middle ground between stage capitalism and free market capitalism. A mixed economy.

[Rhodesia]

"Chinese socialism is capitalism"

No, it's state capitalism. There's a difference.

Doesn't matter. Capitalism is capitalism, whether it's state, market or "anarcho"-capitalism.

Well, by "capitalism" I was – rightly or wrongly – assuming "pure capitalism", which we can all agree China does not have (and it can be argued no country has but that's another thread altogether).

Perhaps the other side of that coin is this: is China actually socialist anymore? Perhaps it's more accurate to say it's a one party state but not necessarily, a communist or socialist state, despite the one party's name.