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Postby Maeserati » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:22 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:No, but it does need to be given more executive authority.

At least put it in charge of NATO ffs.


What? You realize most UN members are not NATO members. And that NATO was established to fight communism during the cold war. What communist nation would support the absorption of NATO.

Perhaps a larger peacekeeping force, maybe. But the UN is supposed to promote peace, not force it.

I say give the IJC more power to exercise punishments and make is rulings actually mean something.
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:24 pm

You'd think a global organization comprised of hundreds of individual nation-states wouldn't be powerless, but the U.N.'s stance on peace sucks.

They need to be more active in maintaining civil rights.
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Postby Hong kong and india » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:35 pm

Maeserati wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:No, but it does need to be given more executive authority.

At least put it in charge of NATO ffs.


What? You realize most UN members are not NATO members. And that NATO was established to fight communism during the cold war. What communist nation would support the absorption of NATO.

Perhaps a larger peacekeeping force, maybe. But the UN is supposed to promote peace, not force it.

I say give the IJC more power to exercise punishments and make is rulings actually mean something.

And the power to exercise something needs force in order to do so,so the ICJ needs power to enforce its punishment.

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Postby Anglo-California » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:37 pm

The UN should not even exist.
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Postby Emerald-Springs » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:38 pm

Yes, the UN is powerless. I prefer it that way.

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Postby Maeserati » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:40 pm

As for those of us who suggest the veto power be eliminated from the security council; have you ever heard of the Arab-Communist voting bloc?

It's the reason there are so many resolutions against Israel, the only true 1st world nation in the middle east, while nations like China, Iran, Rwanda, Syria, Cuba, and Venezuela have relatively few resolutions against them.

It was created by Cuba in the cold war era to fight the US. In exchange for the Arabs' support, Cuba, and fellow communists, agreed to vote against Israel.

What prevents this stuff from happening in the Security Council? The veto power.

Despite what people say, I'm fairly certain the US has no imperialistic ambitions. Those that say they invaded Afghanistan for oil; frankly are dumbasses. There is no oil in Afghanistan. But , there's lots of oil in Iraq, right? Well, if the US invaded Iraq for cheap oil, where's all this cheap oil??

The veto function serves as an important check on the powers of the unjust and corrupt majority. It must always stay. If it's removed, the UN faces a good possibility that the US (the largest donor to the UN) would withdrawal funding. Or worse; withdrawal membership.
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Postby Southern Hampshire » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:44 pm

Hong kong and india wrote:now its a very influential figure,


haha

it's regarded as a joke by everyone


The UN is nothing more than a platform for liberal and socialist agenda to be pushed through to the respective governments' table.

The UN IS powerless, and always will be. No such thing as co-operation between powers. To be honest that's for the better, I shudder to think what a binding UN system would look like.

No proper voting system either. It's a failure. The Veto powers are arguably unfair. Voting through population is stupid as it gives poor countries extra power. One vote one nation makes powers insignificant when in fact they decide. No real alternative.
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Postby Hong kong and india » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:57 pm

Russia could step out of line,and the UN can't do anything about it.Nobody is standing up for Ukraine,and Russia will then find more reasons to step out of line,next is North korea then china and every rouge state that on the face of the earth will step out of line and then the Un has lost its purpose.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:01 pm

Hong kong and india wrote:Russia could step out of line,and the UN can't do anything about it.Nobody is standing up for Ukraine,and Russia will then find more reasons to step out of line,next is North korea then china and every rouge state that on the face of the earth will step out of line and then the Un has lost its purpose.

Sir, I present to you a list of hypothetical questions to combat your very-specific-and-never-going-to-happen statement.

What if bees were intolerant of hornets?
What if bees were made of smaller bees?
What if bees were made out of BIGGER bees?
What if you picked up a phone and instead of a phone it was bees?
What if there was a photo of bees?
What if there were a bunch of bees on a plane?
What if the dinosaurs were killed by bees?
What if the dinosaurs WERE bees?
What if your Facebook beecomes infested with bees?
What if bees hacked your Facebook?
What if someone wrote on your wall about bees?
What if cats vomited bees?
What if bees could travel through paintings?
What if bees was a science and was subject to bee review?
What if bees are contagious?
What if there was a bee gun?
What if you forgot to reload the bee gun?
What if the computer monitor could produce bees?
What if bees start demanding civil rights?
What if the Magna Carta has been bees the whole time?
What if rabbits swore allegiance to the bees?
What if Chinese bees?
What if Japanese schoolgirl bees?
What if bees were four-dimensional?
What if bees were time-travelers?
What if time travel turns you into bees?
What if time travel requires bees?
What if you could replace explosions with bees?
What if instead of movies there were bees?
What if you could buy bees on the black market?
What if bees are accepted as payment in Hawaii?
What if instead of throwing beeads on Mardi Gras you threw bees?
What if bees wrote a travelogue?
What if the travelogue was just bees?
What if you eloped with bees?
What if you served refreshments to bees?
What if someone mentions bees?
What if bees formed a religion?
What if that religion involved clockwork bees?
What if bees had a polite disagreement?
What if bees were paid to rake leaves?
What if bees were in the guise of a tundra?
What if bees are taking over your dreams?
What if you controlled bees with your dreams?
What if fictional characters happened to bee bees?
What if bees were aliens?
What if bees come from the bee lair beeneath the Earth?
What if bees could blow people up with the blink of an eye?
What if bees were a superhero?
What if you could mail-order bees?
What if the store has a sale on bees?
What if the bees had a gay pride parade?
What if bees went to the parade with no clothes?
What if they accidentally intentionally paved over bees?
What if I accidentally bees?
What if bees could live in any hollow area?
What if bees were secret agents?
What if you and bees had highly different taste in music?
What if plants danced to attract bees?
What if bees swarmed around and stung people?
What if bees are just mad beecause someone cut them off in traffic?
What if bees could disrupt your wifi?
What if bees were replaced with a numerical code?
What if bees resembled bees?
What if bees resembled DIFFERENT bees?
What if bees were exactly like the movie?
What if Poland cannot into bees?
What if each anime was a different color of bee?
What if bees were nocturnal and sucked blood?
What if bees and werewolves were sworn enemies?
What if dogs were unable to perceive bees?
What if bees had subwoofers?
What if nobody realized that the bees had an evil plan?
What if bees were censored by the government?
What if transition metals reacted with bees?
What if bees framed a politician for larceny?
What if bees had ties to organized crime?
What if bees unwittingly morphed into heroin during the full moon?
What if someone wrote a book about bees?
What if bees were computer illiterate?
What if I'm bees?
What if bees misread directions and killed a lemon tree?
What if bees were an accurate description of the concept of the assembly line?
What if Willy Wonka was prepared for bees?
What if bees had fetishes?
What if bees could vibrate through walls and discern motives?
What if bees were put on the No-Fly list?
What if bees were mistakenly put on the Sex Offender registry?
What if bees overran a mental institution?
What if bees had daydreams about becoming lemurs?
What if there was a wiki about bees?
What if Wikipedia was bees?
What if bees killed me mid-sen


Last edited by Cyrisnia on Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:02 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby Maeserati » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:03 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
Hong kong and india wrote:Russia could step out of line,and the UN can't do anything about it.Nobody is standing up for Ukraine,and Russia will then find more reasons to step out of line,next is North korea then china and every rouge state that on the face of the earth will step out of line and then the Un has lost its purpose.

Sir, I present to you a list of hypothetical questions to combat your very-specific-and-never-going-to-happen statement.

What if bees were intolerant of hornets?
What if bees were made of smaller bees?
What if bees were made out of BIGGER bees?
What if you picked up a phone and instead of a phone it was bees?
What if there was a photo of bees?
What if there were a bunch of bees on a plane?
What if the dinosaurs were killed by bees?
What if the dinosaurs WERE bees?
What if your Facebook beecomes infested with bees?
What if bees hacked your Facebook?
What if someone wrote on your wall about bees?
What if cats vomited bees?
What if bees could travel through paintings?
What if bees was a science and was subject to bee review?
What if bees are contagious?
What if there was a bee gun?
What if you forgot to reload the bee gun?
What if the computer monitor could produce bees?
What if bees start demanding civil rights?
What if the Magna Carta has been bees the whole time?
What if rabbits swore allegiance to the bees?
What if Chinese bees?
What if Japanese schoolgirl bees?
What if bees were four-dimensional?
What if bees were time-travelers?
What if time travel turns you into bees?
What if time travel requires bees?
What if you could replace explosions with bees?
What if instead of movies there were bees?
What if you could buy bees on the black market?
What if bees are accepted as payment in Hawaii?
What if instead of throwing beeads on Mardi Gras you threw bees?
What if bees wrote a travelogue?
What if the travelogue was just bees?
What if you eloped with bees?
What if you served refreshments to bees?
What if someone mentions bees?
What if bees formed a religion?
What if that religion involved clockwork bees?
What if bees had a polite disagreement?
What if bees were paid to rake leaves?
What if bees were in the guise of a tundra?
What if bees are taking over your dreams?
What if you controlled bees with your dreams?
What if fictional characters happened to bee bees?
What if bees were aliens?
What if bees come from the bee lair beeneath the Earth?
What if bees could blow people up with the blink of an eye?
What if bees were a superhero?
What if you could mail-order bees?
What if the store has a sale on bees?
What if the bees had a gay pride parade?
What if bees went to the parade with no clothes?
What if they accidentally intentionally paved over bees?
What if I accidentally bees?
What if bees could live in any hollow area?
What if bees were secret agents?
What if you and bees had highly different taste in music?
What if plants danced to attract bees?
What if bees swarmed around and stung people?
What if bees are just mad beecause someone cut them off in traffic?
What if bees could disrupt your wifi?
What if bees were replaced with a numerical code?
What if bees resembled bees?
What if bees resembled DIFFERENT bees?
What if bees were exactly like the movie?
What if Poland cannot into bees?
What if each anime was a different color of bee?
What if bees were nocturnal and sucked blood?
What if bees and werewolves were sworn enemies?
What if dogs were unable to perceive bees?
What if bees had subwoofers?
What if nobody realized that the bees had an evil plan?
What if bees were censored by the government?
What if transition metals reacted with bees?
What if bees framed a politician for larceny?
What if bees had ties to organized crime?
What if bees unwittingly morphed into heroin during the full moon?
What if someone wrote a book about bees?
What if bees were computer illiterate?
What if I'm bees?
What if bees misread directions and killed a lemon tree?
What if bees were an accurate description of the concept of the assembly line?
What if Willy Wonka was prepared for bees?
What if bees had fetishes?
What if bees could vibrate through walls and discern motives?
What if bees were put on the No-Fly list?
What if bees were mistakenly put on the Sex Offender registry?
What if bees overran a mental institution?
What if bees had daydreams about becoming lemurs?
What if there was a wiki about bees?
What if Wikipedia was bees?
What if bees killed me mid-sen




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Postby Hong kong and india » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:05 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
Hong kong and india wrote:Russia could step out of line,and the UN can't do anything about it.Nobody is standing up for Ukraine,and Russia will then find more reasons to step out of line,next is North korea then china and every rouge state that on the face of the earth will step out of line and then the Un has lost its purpose.

Sir, I present to you a list of hypothetical questions to combat your very-specific-and-never-going-to-happen statement.

What if bees were intolerant of hornets?
What if bees were made of smaller bees?
What if bees were made out of BIGGER bees?
What if you picked up a phone and instead of a phone it was bees?
What if there was a photo of bees?
What if there were a bunch of bees on a plane?
What if the dinosaurs were killed by bees?
What if the dinosaurs WERE bees?
What if your Facebook beecomes infested with bees?
What if bees hacked your Facebook?
What if someone wrote on your wall about bees?
What if cats vomited bees?
What if bees could travel through paintings?
What if bees was a science and was subject to bee review?
What if bees are contagious?
What if there was a bee gun?
What if you forgot to reload the bee gun?
What if the computer monitor could produce bees?
What if bees start demanding civil rights?
What if the Magna Carta has been bees the whole time?
What if rabbits swore allegiance to the bees?
What if Chinese bees?
What if Japanese schoolgirl bees?
What if bees were four-dimensional?
What if bees were time-travelers?
What if time travel turns you into bees?
What if time travel requires bees?
What if you could replace explosions with bees?
What if instead of movies there were bees?
What if you could buy bees on the black market?
What if bees are accepted as payment in Hawaii?
What if instead of throwing beeads on Mardi Gras you threw bees?
What if bees wrote a travelogue?
What if the travelogue was just bees?
What if you eloped with bees?
What if you served refreshments to bees?
What if someone mentions bees?
What if bees formed a religion?
What if that religion involved clockwork bees?
What if bees had a polite disagreement?
What if bees were paid to rake leaves?
What if bees were in the guise of a tundra?
What if bees are taking over your dreams?
What if you controlled bees with your dreams?
What if fictional characters happened to bee bees?
What if bees were aliens?
What if bees come from the bee lair beeneath the Earth?
What if bees could blow people up with the blink of an eye?
What if bees were a superhero?
What if you could mail-order bees?
What if the store has a sale on bees?
What if the bees had a gay pride parade?
What if bees went to the parade with no clothes?
What if they accidentally intentionally paved over bees?
What if I accidentally bees?
What if bees could live in any hollow area?
What if bees were secret agents?
What if you and bees had highly different taste in music?
What if plants danced to attract bees?
What if bees swarmed around and stung people?
What if bees are just mad beecause someone cut them off in traffic?
What if bees could disrupt your wifi?
What if bees were replaced with a numerical code?
What if bees resembled bees?
What if bees resembled DIFFERENT bees?
What if bees were exactly like the movie?
What if Poland cannot into bees?
What if each anime was a different color of bee?
What if bees were nocturnal and sucked blood?
What if bees and werewolves were sworn enemies?
What if dogs were unable to perceive bees?
What if bees had subwoofers?
What if nobody realized that the bees had an evil plan?
What if bees were censored by the government?
What if transition metals reacted with bees?
What if bees framed a politician for larceny?
What if bees had ties to organized crime?
What if bees unwittingly morphed into heroin during the full moon?
What if someone wrote a book about bees?
What if bees were computer illiterate?
What if I'm bees?
What if bees misread directions and killed a lemon tree?
What if bees were an accurate description of the concept of the assembly line?
What if Willy Wonka was prepared for bees?
What if bees had fetishes?
What if bees could vibrate through walls and discern motives?
What if bees were put on the No-Fly list?
What if bees were mistakenly put on the Sex Offender registry?
What if bees overran a mental institution?
What if bees had daydreams about becoming lemurs?
What if there was a wiki about bees?
What if Wikipedia was bees?
What if bees killed me mid-sen



Oh sure,Ukraine is totality not being invaded by Russia and its not like the US did anything,if the US didn't do anything,then its totality not a big deal.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:07 pm

Hong kong and india wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote:Sir, I present to you a list of hypothetical questions to combat your very-specific-and-never-going-to-happen statement.

What if bees were intolerant of hornets?
What if bees were made of smaller bees?
What if bees were made out of BIGGER bees?
What if you picked up a phone and instead of a phone it was bees?
What if there was a photo of bees?
What if there were a bunch of bees on a plane?
What if the dinosaurs were killed by bees?
What if the dinosaurs WERE bees?
What if your Facebook beecomes infested with bees?
What if bees hacked your Facebook?
What if someone wrote on your wall about bees?
What if cats vomited bees?
What if bees could travel through paintings?
What if bees was a science and was subject to bee review?
What if bees are contagious?
What if there was a bee gun?
What if you forgot to reload the bee gun?
What if the computer monitor could produce bees?
What if bees start demanding civil rights?
What if the Magna Carta has been bees the whole time?
What if rabbits swore allegiance to the bees?
What if Chinese bees?
What if Japanese schoolgirl bees?
What if bees were four-dimensional?
What if bees were time-travelers?
What if time travel turns you into bees?
What if time travel requires bees?
What if you could replace explosions with bees?
What if instead of movies there were bees?
What if you could buy bees on the black market?
What if bees are accepted as payment in Hawaii?
What if instead of throwing beeads on Mardi Gras you threw bees?
What if bees wrote a travelogue?
What if the travelogue was just bees?
What if you eloped with bees?
What if you served refreshments to bees?
What if someone mentions bees?
What if bees formed a religion?
What if that religion involved clockwork bees?
What if bees had a polite disagreement?
What if bees were paid to rake leaves?
What if bees were in the guise of a tundra?
What if bees are taking over your dreams?
What if you controlled bees with your dreams?
What if fictional characters happened to bee bees?
What if bees were aliens?
What if bees come from the bee lair beeneath the Earth?
What if bees could blow people up with the blink of an eye?
What if bees were a superhero?
What if you could mail-order bees?
What if the store has a sale on bees?
What if the bees had a gay pride parade?
What if bees went to the parade with no clothes?
What if they accidentally intentionally paved over bees?
What if I accidentally bees?
What if bees could live in any hollow area?
What if bees were secret agents?
What if you and bees had highly different taste in music?
What if plants danced to attract bees?
What if bees swarmed around and stung people?
What if bees are just mad beecause someone cut them off in traffic?
What if bees could disrupt your wifi?
What if bees were replaced with a numerical code?
What if bees resembled bees?
What if bees resembled DIFFERENT bees?
What if bees were exactly like the movie?
What if Poland cannot into bees?
What if each anime was a different color of bee?
What if bees were nocturnal and sucked blood?
What if bees and werewolves were sworn enemies?
What if dogs were unable to perceive bees?
What if bees had subwoofers?
What if nobody realized that the bees had an evil plan?
What if bees were censored by the government?
What if transition metals reacted with bees?
What if bees framed a politician for larceny?
What if bees had ties to organized crime?
What if bees unwittingly morphed into heroin during the full moon?
What if someone wrote a book about bees?
What if bees were computer illiterate?
What if I'm bees?
What if bees misread directions and killed a lemon tree?
What if bees were an accurate description of the concept of the assembly line?
What if Willy Wonka was prepared for bees?
What if bees had fetishes?
What if bees could vibrate through walls and discern motives?
What if bees were put on the No-Fly list?
What if bees were mistakenly put on the Sex Offender registry?
What if bees overran a mental institution?
What if bees had daydreams about becoming lemurs?
What if there was a wiki about bees?
What if Wikipedia was bees?
What if bees killed me mid-sen



Oh sure,Ukraine is totality not being invaded by Russia and its not like the US did anything,if the US didn't do anything,then its totality not a big deal.


What if Vladmir Putin was bees?
What if the Russo-Ukranian conflict was caused by bees?
What if bees help the Russians?
What if bees help the Ukranians?
What if bees actually paid attention to the rest of your statement, when it said that North Korea and China would go rogue, when in reality that would never happen?
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Postby Hong kong and india » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:12 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
Hong kong and india wrote:Oh sure,Ukraine is totality not being invaded by Russia and its not like the US did anything,if the US didn't do anything,then its totality not a big deal.


What if Vladmir Putin was bees?
What if the Russo-Ukranian conflict was caused by bees?
What if bees help the Russians?
What if bees help the Ukranians?
What if bees actually paid attention to the rest of your statement, when it said that North Korea and China would go rogue, when in reality that would never happen?

North korea is already rogue,and china won't go rogue

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Postby Maeserati » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:48 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
Hong kong and india wrote:Oh sure,Ukraine is totality not being invaded by Russia and its not like the US did anything,if the US didn't do anything,then its totality not a big deal.


What if Vladmir Putin was bees?
What if the Russo-Ukranian conflict was caused by bees?
What if bees help the Russians?
What if bees help the Ukranians?
What if bees actually paid attention to the rest of your statement, when it said that North Korea and China would go rogue, when in reality that would never happen?


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Postby The Risen Jaguar Warriors » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:50 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Carrasastova wrote:A major overhaul, or two, yes, but not outdated, per say.


I think we need a whole new organization, with a new name.

Hm, what sounds good...

Global Meeting?

nah

Worldwide Conference? NO

hm....

aha!

How about the World Assembly! :P

And how about we turn the UN logo upside down and colour it green? ;)
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