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Buse wrote:he [sic] may be a good person that does not mean that his [sic] familn should play according to his [sic] disorder. it was for his best and because of his [sic] family love to be burried according to his real gender.

Buse wrote:

Skinia wrote:Fuck you. It's called gender dysphoria. That's the illness. Being transgender is not. Fucking get it right, people.

What? Gender indetity disorder=transsexualism.

Buse wrote:

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:"Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones."
-The Wiki Page you just linked, plonker.

and? hemophilia is caused by genetics so it does not means that it is not a sickness.

Really, burrial and mourning, the whole process the Western World has devised around it, is a way to remember the deceased. We remember who this person was, what he or she stood for, what they meant to us. To her friends, to her surroundings, to everyone she met, she was a woman. She changed that. She changed her body, her legal status, everything necessary. She changed into a woman. Her family not agreeing with that has no bearing on this whatsoever. They disfigured her to look like a man again, to serve their wishes. Had she been born a woman, stayed a woman, and then stuck into a man's suit, how would we feel about that? We would be horrified. Yet, when someone changed his or her legal status during his or her life, suddenly, different rules apply?

he may be a good person that does not mean that his familn should play according to his disorder. it was for his best and because of his family love to be burried according to his real gender.

The Rich Port wrote:Who the hell is so selfish to think that another's funeral is all about themselves and not, you know, the fucking dead person.

Purpelia wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:Who the hell is so selfish to think that another's funeral is all about themselves and not, you know, the fucking dead person.

Because it's not about the dead person. The dead person is dead, over no more. He or she simply does not exist at that point. Funeral customs are and always were simply rituals designed to allow the living to cope with loosing loved ones.

The Rich Port wrote:Yeah, that's not what people who go to funerals think funerals are for.

Or at least not people who nitpick it's meaning.

It's to say goodbye to the dead person. It's as much for the dead person as it is for the dead person's loved ones.

Purpelia wrote:Remember, reality does not care about what people believe or say they believe. Reality just is.

Purpelia wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:Yeah, that's not what people who go to funerals think funerals are for.

It's what they are objectively. Everything else is rationalization.

Or at least not people who nitpick it's meaning.

It's to say goodbye to the dead person. It's as much for the dead person as it is for the dead person's loved ones.

And saying goodbye to the dead person is just a fancy way of saying "getting closure". As in, achieving an emotional separation and acceptance of the persons death. It's simply a coping mechanism for people to make them suffer less from the loss. Anything else is just a mixture of rationalization and tradition/religion added on to help with rationalizing.

Remember, reality does not care about what people believe or say they believe. Reality just is.

The Rich Port wrote:

Purpelia wrote:Because it's not about the dead person. The dead person is dead, over no more. He or she simply does not exist at that point. Funeral customs are and always were simply rituals designed to allow the living to cope with loosing loved ones.

Yeah, that's not what people who go to funerals think funerals are for.

Or at least not people who nitpick it's meaning.

It's to say goodbye to the dead person. It's as much for the dead person as it is for the dead person's loved ones.

The Rich Port wrote:

Purpelia wrote:It's what they are objectively. Everything else is rationalization.


And saying goodbye to the dead person is just a fancy way of saying "getting closure". As in, achieving an emotional separation and acceptance of the persons death. It's simply a coping mechanism for people to make them suffer less from the loss. Anything else is just a mixture of rationalization and tradition/religion added on to help with rationalizing.

Remember, reality does not care about what people believe or say they believe. Reality just is.

You must be very popular at funerals...

Esternial wrote:Probably shouldn't have stopped right there and continue reading.

Either way, Nadkor already explained my error to me. Not sure what this is all about.

Skinia wrote:Fuck you.

Skinia wrote:Learn to fucking read.

Skinia wrote:Go peddle your fucking transphobia elsewhere, bigot.

Nei Pennsilfaani wrote:Oh, shut the fuck up.

Reploid Productions wrote:

Skinia wrote:Fuck you.

Skinia wrote:Learn to fucking read.

Skinia wrote:Go peddle your fucking transphobia elsewhere, bigot.

Knock it off. You can argue against his points without sinking to the level of outright flaming him. And if you have reason to think he's being deliberately obtuse just to get a rise out of folks, then send up a flare in the Moderation forum with links to the relevant posts.

Nei Pennsilfaani wrote:Oh, shut the fuck up.

You, knock it off, too, same thing as above.

I know this is an extremely sensitive topic, especially for members of the site who personally have to deal with the fallout from gender identity issues like this. I would love to banhammer the hell out of ignorant people who cling to outdated or outright stupid ideas. But I can't, since the Powers That Be would rather have those ignorant, stupid opinions out in the open where you guys can argue them and show them for the ignorant, stupid opinions that they are. Do yourself a favor, and don't post when you're angry; step away from the computer, go for a walk, get a cup of coffee, whatever. Wait until you can respond calmly, rather than respond while you're still in that knee-jerk reaction mode.

Buse- be aware that we are watching, and that you already have a not-so-stellar warning record. If all you're going to do is continue to inaccurately parrot misinterpretations of things various websites have fed you, perhaps it is a good time to take your leave of the thread.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

MLK wrote:I applaud the ones brave enough to bury this man as a man. They recognized the problem and did what they could in their power to fix this problem in his death that they couldn't in his life.

The New World Oceania wrote:One can argue a funeral is for the living, and they can argue that the dead don't mind since they are, after all, dead.

However, how the funeral proceeds will affect all the living. If Klansmen burn a cart of deceased black men, the dead don't mind is not a viable defense. To misgender someone in death is to misgender every person in life. It is a desecration of not just the body but the late human's essence, deliberately in malice, ineffably unethical, and an ethereal revocation of individuality.

Temujinn wrote:She/He/insert your preferred pronoun here is dead, they couldve of buried the corpse as an eggplant, gave it well wishes on its journey to space turnip land and then covered teh casket in cow manure and not one bit of it wouldve mattered to the corpse.

Temujinn wrote:Funerals, and viewings are where we PRETEND to honor the dead when what we are doing is simply giving ourselves closure, they are about us the living, not the dead.

So can we not be offended for the Corpse's feelings, because regardless of genital selection there are in point of fact real people who loved this person and now no longer have them because someone is actually dead. Or you know, fuck humanity and lets make it our job to be upset since there is no one who can be justifiably upset. Always have to find a petty problem to make ourselves feel good.


The Dead have all their shit settled.

The New World Oceania wrote:One can argue a funeral is for the living, and they can argue that the dead don't mind since they are, after all, dead.

However, how the funeral proceeds will affect all the living. If Klansmen burn a cart of deceased black men, the dead don't mind is not a viable defense. To misgender someone in death is to misgender every person in life. It is a desecration of not just the body but the late human's essence, deliberately in malice, ineffably unethical, and an ethereal revocation of individuality.

Eleanor Ritas wrote:

The New World Oceania wrote:One can argue a funeral is for the living, and they can argue that the dead don't mind since they are, after all, dead.

However, how the funeral proceeds will affect all the living. If Klansmen burn a cart of deceased black men, the dead don't mind is not a viable defense. To misgender someone in death is to misgender every person in life. It is a desecration of not just the body but the late human's essence, deliberately in malice, ineffably unethical, and an ethereal revocation of individuality.

One cannot compare the damage done to black people with the damage done to trans people.

Not because it wouldn't be a perfectly fair and reasonable parallel to draw, and you certainly make a reasonable point.

It's just that the US Republicans have called a triple no-fairsies double stamp no-takebacks on it.

Eleanor Ritas wrote:

Temujinn wrote:She/He/insert your preferred pronoun here is dead, they couldve of buried the corpse as an eggplant, gave it well wishes on its journey to space turnip land and then covered teh casket in cow manure and not one bit of it wouldve mattered to the corpse.

Reading the article, she had many friends (people who accepted her and loved her, her real family in a way) and it effected them. It also effects how we view trans people in our culture.

Temujinn wrote:Funerals, and viewings are where we PRETEND to honor the dead when what we are doing is simply giving ourselves closure, they are about us the living, not the dead.

So can we not be offended for the Corpse's feelings, because regardless of genital selection there are in point of fact real people who loved this person and now no longer have them because someone is actually dead. Or you know, fuck humanity and lets make it our job to be upset since there is no one who can be justifiably upset. Always have to find a petty problem to make ourselves feel good.


The Dead have all their shit settled.

Again, my advocacy was not for the corpse in the literal sense, but for those who truly loved her and accepted her seeing the that her family, in death, made even her body into what they wanted in the end. Its good that she will never learn of that choice, yes, but it's still a shitty (not illegal, just shitty) choice for them to have made and there were living people, her friends, at the service who were effected. It wasn't petty to them or trans people.

Reasonable minds can differ.

But thank you for the edgey certainty of your response. I was starting to forget where I was.

Vashta Nerada wrote:

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2

3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C

6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female

Got it?

The fact that we have a group of people whining over the feelings of an incredibly tiny and almost insignificant fraction of the population shows that they have nothing better to do with their time. Instead of focusing their energies into fighting real injustices such as the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing Syria, the hundreds of millions of people starving right now, and the fact that the government openly spies on its citizens and its politicians accept bribes in the form of "lobbying", we're watching people cry over the fact that a man would had his genitals ripped apart to be something that he wasn't buried as a man. The global definition of sex and gender is what it is, and it is the most logical way we know of. I'm not going to recognize seven different nouns to refer to some animal just because someone believe it has no "gender" in the traditional sense. It's wasteful and pointless.

Buse wrote:

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:"Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones."
-The Wiki Page you just linked, plonker.

and? hemophilia is caused by genetics so it does not means that it is not a sickness.

Really, burrial and mourning, the whole process the Western World has devised around it, is a way to remember the deceased. We remember who this person was, what he or she stood for, what they meant to us. To her friends, to her surroundings, to everyone she met, she was a woman. She changed that. She changed her body, her legal status, everything necessary. She changed into a woman. Her family not agreeing with that has no bearing on this whatsoever. They disfigured her to look like a man again, to serve their wishes. Had she been born a woman, stayed a woman, and then stuck into a man's suit, how would we feel about that? We would be horrified. Yet, when someone changed his or her legal status during his or her life, suddenly, different rules apply?

he may be a good person that does not mean that his familn should play according to his disorder. it was for his best and because of his family love to be burried according to his real gender.

Euroslavia wrote:Emphasis mine.

Pretty obvious that your reference to transgender as an 'animal' is malicious. There's recognition that humans are animals, but you've taken the time to label humans as humans in the entire earlier part of your post, which gives the latter 'animal' usage a completely disrespectful statement. You can make a statement or point without using insults.

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Kincoboh wrote:It absolutely disgusts me that trans folks are treated like the way they are in America today - and indeed in some of the comments here in this thread. Awhile back, in another of my nations, I made a thread regarding whether or not someone would date a trans person. That thread was just as... for lack of a better word, enlightening, as this one has been. Attitudes toward transgender people never cease to spur my consternation.

In the case of this person, it is too bad she did not die far away from her horrible family. I do not understand how someone can disrespect someone so completely and utterly as they did. Not only that, but it is a giant middle finger to the trans community as a whole. I just don't understand why people just don't let stuff be. It's not hurting you. Why on Earth would you care what someone else does to themselves?