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What are your thoughts on the Ferguson civil unrest?
I say American cops need be mandated to use non lethal weapons against unarmed civilians.
They can use deadly force only if someone's life is in immediate danger. They can be tried for murder otherwise.

If any violence or looting happens because of the trial decision, it will only justify brutal force being used by the police. The protests must be non-violent and set an example. They can't be burn and loot protests. The non-black populace near Ferguson are ready to take deadly force into their own hands to defend their property. It will be a full scale racial war. How sad and ignorant.

FutureAmerica wrote:What are your thoughts on the Ferguson civil unrest?
I say American cops need be mandated to use non lethal weapons against unarmed civilians.
They can use deadly force only if someone's life is in immediate danger. They can be tried for murder otherwise.

If any violence or looting happens because of the trial decision, it will only justify brutal force being used by the police. The protests must be non-violent and set an example. They can't be burn and loot protests. The non-black populace near Ferguson are ready to take deadly force into their own hands to defend their property. It will be a full scale racial war. How sad and ignorant.

A "full scale racial war" is overstating it, but not a lot of happy things will come from the lack of Wilson's indictment.

Then again, not a lot of happy things will come if he is indicted, either.

Are white cops not allowed to shoot at black men anymore?
Is there going to be a riot everytime a black man is killed by a non-black man?
Are black men fed up with living in the United States or just the cops?

We can't sweep these things under the rug anymore.

from here it looks like the gov of mo is trying to make sure that there is a massive violent riot when the grand jury refuses to indict officer Wilson.

There's civil unrest in Ferguson?

pointless

Ashmoria wrote:from here it looks like the gov of mo is trying to make sure that there is a massive violent riot when the grand jury refuses to indict officer Wilson.

I was afraid I was the only one who thought that, but yeah.

FutureAmerica wrote:Is there going to be a riot everytime a black man is killed by a non-black man?

I hope so. I don't know what problem you have with it, I enjoy riots.

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Ashmoria wrote:from here it looks like the gov of mo is trying to make sure that there is a massive violent riot when the grand jury refuses to indict officer Wilson.

I was afraid I was the only one who thought that, but yeah.

i can (and do) rant about it from time to time but they should have either just indicted Wilson or have put the grandjury case in the hands of an independent prosecutor. the local prosecutor has a conflict of interest since he works closely with the police to make all of his cases.

instead they rig it so that it is very unlikely that the grandjury is going to indict and that rigging is so obvious that no one is going to believe that justice was served. knowing what is likely to happen they bring in more big time military equipment and plans instead of working with the community to maintain peace. local ministers are working hard at training volunteers in peaceful protest and maintaining the peace but there is only so much we can expect from them when the state inflames the public every day.

Do we have a situation in Ferguson that is similar to the Israeli West Bank?

FutureAmerica wrote:Do we have a situation in Ferguson that is similar to the Israeli West Bank?

No.

I think it would be a good idea to hear whether or not the Grand Jury indicts the police officer or not. The typical grand jury in the US would indict an apple if the prosecutor asked them to do so.


Getting a conviction on an indictment is a much different standard of evidence.

I very much suspect the grand jury will require a trial for the situation as it has quite a few less than desirable elements too it, not to mention witness statements have been all over the place.

That being said, in situations like these nothing gives the right to vandalize and the ones who participate in such should be reprimanded harshly. I got absolutely no issue with the police cracking down when there are riots, though those are not to be mistaken for gatherings in civil disobedience which is another matter entirely.

If it does go to trial and I think it should, it could quickly become one of the most malignant trials in history if the testimony has great disparity in it. I hope above all there will be no perjury.

FutureAmerica wrote:Do we have a situation in Ferguson that is similar to the Israeli West Bank?

lolno.

FutureAmerica wrote:Do we have a situation in Ferguson that is similar to the Israeli West Bank?

Absoloutely not.

I live in Manchester, MO it's just down 141 from Ferguson, and there is still a cloud of fearfulness hanging around St. Louis county for when the verdict hits, but comparing this to West bank is absurd.

I'm pretty indifferent on the Grand Juries decision simply because I don't have all the facts and I would rather not jump to conclusion. I will if I were an officer I would have at least attempted to use some of my non-lethal option like pepper spray. It might get all over me and in my face and all but at the end of the day ID rather have that then a dead kid.

I'm not so much worried about the racial implication in worried because somehow the Highesy Patrol has APC's a shit along side what looks to be SWAT team style Paramilitants. It's pretty freaky when the Furguson police department has its own armoured cars and military style armour and weaponry. I swear Furguson looked a lot like Kiev for awhile there. It's also pretty well established that a lot of these rioters are coming down from the city of Saint Louis and arent residents (although yes residents are apart of this as well.) so it's a pretty tricky situation and the media both left and right are jumping to conclusion and fanning the flames of the issue.

I fully respect and give full solidarity to the oppressed participating in the ferguson rebellion. The fact is, our society is so behind that the slogan for the movement is black lives matter, when we should not have to say hose things and they should be obvious. The media portrayal f the protestors as looters is horribly racist, especially when one considers that many activists are guarding small businesses.

The people deserve to fight back by any means necessary and I pray that this will be the beginning of a real movement to eliminate police brutality. Whether it's in Gaza, Aotzi or Ferguson, the machine has t fall and to oppressed must rise up

Bad stuff, dude.

Once again the media has turned a clear case of self defense into a race issue. They purposely ignore evidence and show 6 year old pictures of the "victim" to reinforce their narrative. Where was the media when Jonathan Foster, a 12 year old boy was burned to death on Christmas Eve by a black woman? How about when Delbert Belton, an 88 year old veteran was beaten to death by black teenagers? The media dropped these stories almost immediately because they didn't reinforce their narrative.

Hetmarch wrote:Once again the media has turned a clear case of self defense into a race issue. They purposely ignore evidence and show 6 year old pictures of the "victim" to reinforce their narrative. Where was the media when Jonathan Foster, a 12 year old boy was burned to death on Christmas Eve by a black woman? How about when Delbert Belton, an 88 year old veteran was beaten to death by black teenagers? The media dropped these stories almost immediately because they didn't reinforce their narrative.

Where are the white people who whine to fucking much and ignore the black oppression all around them because they are deliberately blind to their own privilege? Everywhere!

Anybody who lives in a racially diverse community can look around and see that black people are mistreated constantly, suffe major economic discimination and are generally host to a slew of micro aggression from white people that make life miserable

Any blacks who feel oppressed by affirmative action and all the welfare we give them can go back to their African utopia at any time.

Potenco wrote:I fully respect and give full solidarity to the oppressed participating in the ferguson rebellion. The fact is, our society is so behind that the slogan for the movement is black lives matter, when we should not have to say hose things and they should be obvious. The media portrayal f the protestors as looters is horribly racist, especially when one considers that many activists are guarding small businesses.

The people deserve to fight back by any means necessary and I pray that this will be the beginning of a real movement to eliminate police brutality. Whether it's in Gaza, Aotzi or Ferguson, the machine has t fall and to oppressed must rise up

How about no, let's not call for the "by any means necessary". All that will do is harm the innocent and do nothing to advance the "cause". This is not a "rebellion" and no one is being "oppressed". So don't compare this incident to the Palestinian plight, because it is no where close.

You don't live here, so you do not know the atmosphere, but there has already been a list of "targets" released, which include the Busch brewery, Botanical gardens, and several hospitals. It is most likely just words, but everyone is so on edge that it is being taken very seriously.

Hetmarch wrote:Any blacks who feel oppressed by affirmative action and all the welfare we give them can go back to their African utopia at any time.

That statement is so goddamned racist and I cant believe you could be so thickheaded and blind. You are deliberately ignoring the multitudes and multitudes of racist lynchings conducted by our nations police department, and horribly obvious economic opression in favor of promoting your own brand of faux-common sense in favor of actually standing for national liberation

How about no, let's not call for the "by any means necessary". All that will do is harm the innocent and do nothing to advance the "cause". This is not a "rebellion" and no one is being "oppressed". So don't compare this incident to the Palestinian plight, because it is no where close.

You don't live here, so you do not know the atmosphere, but there has already been a list of "targets" released, which include the Busch brewery, Botanical gardens, and several hospitals. It is most likely just words, but everyone is so on edge that it is being taken very seriously.

I probably got too intense about the "by any means necessary" statement. However, I dont think there is any serious plan or even anything but limited threats by a tiny minority of protestors to attack botanical gardens. The fact is however, that it is time that people stood up against police brutality in all oppressed communities, and I think the uprising is altogether a great moment in our history

Hetmarch wrote:Any blacks who feel oppressed by affirmative action and all the welfare we give them can go back to their African utopia at any time.

Any whites who feel oppressed by Africans(excluding South Africa) can go back to Europe, or whatever country their ancestors came from?

FutureAmerica wrote:Do we have a situation in Ferguson that is similar to the Israeli West Bank?

1. West Bank belongs to the Palestinian Authority, not Israel.
2. While things are becoming incresaingly tense, we don't have a full-scale ethnic conflict like the one the Israelis and the Palestinians have.