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LA 2: Electric Boogaloo.

That's been my thought of it the whole time.

Saiwania wrote:I think a practical way to resolve these issues is to intentionally have Black cops patrol Black neighborhoods, Asian police officers for Asian neighborhoods etc. No racial group likes the perception that another is out to get them. The more segregated the races are, the better off the communities will be.

Because segregation isn't a disgusting racist practice, amirite?

Yeah, that's basically admitting that white cops are all racist and can't be anything other than racist. How about we stop letting cops off the hook for just about anything and everything, and actually disincentivise shooting people?

The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Because segregation isn't a disgusting racist practice, amirite?

Yeah, that's basically admitting that white cops are all racist and can't be anything other than racist. How about we stop letting cops off the hook for just about anything and everything, and actually disincentivise shooting people?

No, I think the problem is that in any scenario where a White police officers has to shoot a Black suspect, the Black community will "circle the wagons" in taking the Black person's side. There is simply too much bad history between Whites and Blacks, as there is between Whites and native Americans who got brought close to extinction by European colonization. It'd be much easier to just rely on Black police officers for areas likely to have Black people. All the racial groups should only have to be harassed by law enforcement personnel of their own respective race whenever possible.

The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:

Saiwania wrote:I think a practical way to resolve these issues is to intentionally have Black cops patrol Black neighborhoods, Asian police officers for Asian neighborhoods etc. No racial group likes the perception that another is out to get them. The more segregated the races are, the better off the communities will be.

Because segregation isn't a disgusting racist practice, amirite?

Yeah, that's basically admitting that white cops are all racist and can't be anything other than racist. How about we stop letting cops off the hook for just about anything and everything, and actually disincentivise shooting people?

No, he's saying that segregation is the only way to stop blacks from rioting every time a white cop does his job.

Saiwania wrote:

The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Because segregation isn't a disgusting racist practice, amirite?

Yeah, that's basically admitting that white cops are all racist and can't be anything other than racist. How about we stop letting cops off the hook for just about anything and everything, and actually disincentivise shooting people?

No, I think the problem is that in any scenario where a White police officers has to shoot a Black suspect, the Black community will "circle the wagons" in taking the Black person's side. There is simply too much bad history between Whites and Blacks, as there is between Whites and native Americans who got brought close to extinction by European colonization. It'd be much easier to just rely on Black police officers for areas likely to have Black people. All the racial groups should only have to be harassed by law enforcement personnel of their own respective race whenever possible.

How about you just not tell us what we'll do given certain circumstances? You aren't black.

Hetmarch wrote:

The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Because segregation isn't a disgusting racist practice, amirite?

Yeah, that's basically admitting that white cops are all racist and can't be anything other than racist. How about we stop letting cops off the hook for just about anything and everything, and actually disincentivise shooting people?

No, he's saying that segregation is the only way to stop blacks from rioting every time a white cop does his job.

why don't we just... put more officers out there and make rioting an actionable per say criminal offense?

Hetmarch wrote:

The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Because segregation isn't a disgusting racist practice, amirite?

Yeah, that's basically admitting that white cops are all racist and can't be anything other than racist. How about we stop letting cops off the hook for just about anything and everything, and actually disincentivise shooting people?

No, he's saying that segregation is the only way to stop blacks from rioting every time a white cop does his job.

And since this doesn't happen, this is a stupid idea.

Potenco wrote:I fully respect and give full solidarity to the oppressed participating in the ferguson rebellion. The fact is, our society is so behind that the slogan for the movement is black lives matter, when we should not have to say hose things and they should be obvious. The media portrayal f the protestors as looters is horribly racist, especially when one considers that many activists are guarding small businesses.

The people deserve to fight back by any means necessary and I pray that this will be the beginning of a real movement to eliminate police brutality. Whether it's in Gaza, Aotzi or Ferguson, the machine has t fall and to oppressed must rise up

How about, no.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Hetmarch wrote:
No, he's saying that segregation is the only way to stop blacks from rioting every time a white cop does his job.

why don't we just... put more officers out there and make rioting an actionable per say criminal offense?

Rioting is a criminal offence.

Saiwania wrote:

The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Because segregation isn't a disgusting racist practice, amirite?

Yeah, that's basically admitting that white cops are all racist and can't be anything other than racist. How about we stop letting cops off the hook for just about anything and everything, and actually disincentivise shooting people?

No, I think the problem is that in any scenario where a White police officers has to shoot a Black suspect, the Black community will "circle the wagons" in taking the Black person's side. There is simply too much bad history between Whites and Blacks, as there is between Whites and native Americans who got brought close to extinction by European colonization. It'd be much easier to just rely on Black police officers for areas likely to have Black people. All the racial groups should only have to be harassed by law enforcement personnel of their own respective race whenever possible.

People get pissed about it and cry racism because it almost never happens to white kids. Black kids getting shot by cops and it gets in the news and there's an uproar. White kids getting shot by cops and it gets in the news and oh, wait, I can't even remember the last time that happened. Maybe it's because racism still exists and some cops are racist, with the added danger of having guns and, in this day of few protections for citizens, can expect little to no punishment for shooting black people, due to both generalized untouchability and "circling the wagons" and "blue uniform code" of the police force, combined with the racism inherent in our abomination of a criminal justice system that doesn't deserve the name.

Mavorpen wrote:How about you just not tell us what we'll do given certain circumstances? You aren't black.

It is what I might do if I was Black and fed nothing but the Black version of history. I'm what some might call a reasonable racist. I recognize that no one is at fault for what race they're born into, but I do however think it acceptable to relish in one's own race and to have a desire for your people to remain separate and intact from the other racial groups.

Ashmoria wrote:

greed and death wrote:It is a little premature on the part of the governor to bring in the guard and lock the town down.

yeah

its not premature to make plans but the statements the gov has made sound like he is insulting and inciting the African America residents of ferguson. he seems to be assuming that there will be no indictment and that he assumes that the resulting protestors will obviously be violent from the get-go.

Yeah lets just hand the state to the Republicans next governor's election.

Saiwania wrote:

Mavorpen wrote:How about you just not tell us what we'll do given certain circumstances? You aren't black.

It is what I might do if I was Black and fed nothing but the Black version of history.

You can't be fed something that is nonexistent.

Saiwania wrote: I'm what some might call a reasonable racist.

Who, racists?

Saiwania wrote:I recognize that no one is at fault for what race they're born into, but I do however think it reasonable to relish in one's own race and to have a desire for your people to remain separate and intact from the other racial groups.

There is nothing reasonable about relishing in something that doesn't exist.

I'm feeling an unrest in my lower abdomen right now...

And no, I'm not joking.

Saiwania wrote:

Mavorpen wrote:How about you just not tell us what we'll do given certain circumstances? You aren't black.

It is what I might do if I was Black and fed nothing but the Black version of history. I'm what some might call a reasonable racist. I recognize that no one is at fault for what race they're born into, but I do however think it acceptable to relish in one's own race and to have a desire for your people to remain separate and intact from the other racial groups.

That's not very reasonable. And racism is unreasonable to begin with, so that would just make you a regular racist. The only reason you'd want your race to remain separate is because you thought it was superior and didn't want it contaminated. Which is racism. And also not reasonable.

Harpers Ferry wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
why don't we just... put more officers out there and make rioting an actionable per say criminal offense?

Rioting is a criminal offence.

GOOD.

That's EXACTLY what I want to hear... that's EXACTLY what I want to hear...

It's absolutely disgraceful, but then it's the product of a sickening culture that seems prevalent in African-American communities all over the United States. A culture of utter dependency on welfare and social programs, but at the same time a culture that teaches people from an early age to hate and distrust the same authorities that feed and shelter them. A culture that encourages members of African-American communities to think in terms of (1) us and them, with the system supposedly being at fault for their condition and, paradoxically, the conclusion from that analysis that they should reject the system outright rather than try to work within it, and (2) entitlement to other people's material wealth, leading to clashes even amongst different ethnic minorities (think Koreans during the Rodney King Riots).

FutureAmerica wrote:Do we have a situation in Ferguson that is similar to the Israeli West Bank?

Comparing this to the situation in the West Bank is absurd. It doesn't even come close to what is going on there.

Ferguson needs martial law and more powerful military tools. This edict will be in progress until every man is employed, every criminal is stopped, every shirt is in tucked, & every belt is through a loop. I don't care what the conservatives say, I don't care what the liberals say. These people will be put to work, they will have jobs & homes. There will be no poverty in Ferguson.

FutureAmerica wrote:What are your thoughts on the Ferguson civil unrest?
I say American cops need be mandated to use non lethal weapons against unarmed civilians.
They can use deadly force only if someone's life is in immediate danger. They can be tried for murder otherwise.

If any violence or looting happens because of the trial decision, it will only justify brutal force being used by the police. The protests must be non-violent and set an example. They can't be burn and loot protests. The non-black populace near Ferguson are ready to take deadly force into their own hands to defend their property. It will be a full scale racial war. How sad and ignorant.

There is no racial war in Ferguson, this is a class war.

My thoughts?

This sort of thing is bound to happen when you take a corrupt country with a bloated judicial system with a police force crying out for reform, a love of lethal weapons and a whole lotta racism and add a black person being seen doing suspicious things by the thought police.

Shiie wrote:

FutureAmerica wrote:What are your thoughts on the Ferguson civil unrest?
I say American cops need be mandated to use non lethal weapons against unarmed civilians.
They can use deadly force only if someone's life is in immediate danger. They can be tried for murder otherwise.

If any violence or looting happens because of the trial decision, it will only justify brutal force being used by the police. The protests must be non-violent and set an example. They can't be burn and loot protests. The non-black populace near Ferguson are ready to take deadly force into their own hands to defend their property. It will be a full scale racial war. How sad and ignorant.

There is no racial war in Ferguson, this is a class war.

I would be inclined to agree with you since race is obviously not a concern of the ruling class's and is just a socially constructed excuse they use to legitimise their oppressing in a prettier way than "class interests." But prejudice against ethnic minorities, and particularly black people, is a separate product of the class system during the time of slavery. The racial war is caused by class distinctions, but isn't a war on the entire working class itself. And generally the ruling class like to wage outright and bigoted war on little sections of people who belong to a given socially constructed group (like a certain race) rather than the entire working class so as to mask their true motives. That isn't to say the working class aren't being screwed over anyway, though.

Syndicapolis wrote:My thoughts?

This sort of thing is bound to happen when you take a corrupt country with a bloated judicial system with a police force crying out for reform, a love of lethal weapons and a whole lotta racism and add a black person being seen doing suspicious things by the thought police.

Oh, someone needs to watch those edges.

Local leaders, including the family of the victim, are pleading for calm. The family even went on the air to say "All you outsiders, please go home. Do no further damage to our community".

People in masks outside the courthouse are already agitating. Wanna be they are right wing outsiders? Take off those masks! It's like the World Bank protests in the northwest.

FutureAmerica wrote:Do we have a situation in Ferguson that is similar to the Israeli West Bank?

Wtf lolno.