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Neo Philippine Empire
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Postby Neo Philippine Empire » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:02 pm

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Postby Kubra » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:02 am

Solorni wrote:
Ainin wrote:Rob Ford was never, and will never be, leader of Canada.

Pretty much this. Thank God his term is up :P
fuck that, based ford would have legalized medical crack
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Postby Amatha » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:08 am

Blaise Compaoré.
He overthrew Sankara and reversed his progressive policies. Blaise was also a tyrant who attempted to amend the constitution.

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Postby Solorni » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:09 am

Kubra wrote:
Solorni wrote:Pretty much this. Thank God his term is up :P
fuck that, based ford would have legalized medical crack

Not really in his power :P
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Postby United States Kingdom » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:19 am

Ainin wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:In Canada, its Rob Ford

Rob Ford was never, and will never be, leader of Canada.

I hope he is. That would give me a good reason to move back to Africa.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:10 am

United States Kingdom wrote:
Ainin wrote:Rob Ford was never, and will never be, leader of Canada.

I hope he is. That would give me a good reason to move back to Africa.

I can imagine the vivid speeches he'd give.

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Postby Colbert Super PAC » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:16 am

Lincoln, FDR and Obama.

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Postby Frazers » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:40 am

Vashtanaraada wrote:Talking about nationalism, she also fuelled the series of bad events in Northern Island and stupidly decided to let the IRA members on hunger strike die, instead of force-feeding them. I'm no supporter of the IRA, but she could've been a bit more moderate, especially when people's lives are at stake.


You honestly think force feeding would have improved the situation. When they tried that on previous occasions it was viewed as torture of prisoners by republicans rather than some merciful act that led them to be thankful to the authorities. Furthermore the policy of criminalisation is easy to judge harshly in hindsight but not having a crystal ball at the time it seemed a more than sensible decision to try and limit deaths. Lives were at stake and she acted to limit the deaths.

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:44 am

Kubra wrote:
Solorni wrote:Pretty much this. Thank God his term is up :P
fuck that, based ford would have legalized medical crack


No he wouldn't. He'd use the police to punish crack dealers who don't give him free crack (while ignoring the ones who keep him supplied).
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Postby Arkinesia » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:56 am

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You have to admit, Fords falling was amusing.

The reason I have Ford down as worst of the 20th century is for much the same reason as Buchanan for worst of all time. No other 20th century President can even come close to topping Ford's land-speed record of failure. The guy was President for two years and nearly toppled America from its place of power without even inviting additional wars or internal crises. He sat on his hands, only to find that every action he took was the wrong one once it happened.
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:59 am

Colbert Super PAC wrote:Lincoln, FDR and Obama.

The greatest tyrants America has ever known!


:rofl: Ya, much greater tyrants than Andrew Jackson and all the other slavery supporting and Native American murdering presidents :rofl:
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Postby Ainin » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:59 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Kubra wrote: fuck that, based ford would have legalized medical crack


No he wouldn't. He'd use the police to punish crack dealers who don't give him free crack (while ignoring the ones who keep him supplied).

He'd likely just order the Air Force to bomb the Toronto Star.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:01 am

Ainin wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
No he wouldn't. He'd use the police to punish crack dealers who don't give him free crack (while ignoring the ones who keep him supplied).

He'd likely just order the Air Force to bomb the Toronto Star.


Or seize their assets and transfer them to Sun Media. After all, he's got friends to pay back.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:14 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Laerod wrote:Well, Brüning initiated the practice of deflation when the Depression hit and also kicked off Hindenburg's ruling by decree, thus ruining the country and setting dangerous precedents that the Nazis later picked up. Of course, Hindenburg himself also qualifies for these and further reasons.

I still think Willie 2 was worse, the first world War was completely unnecessary.

His responsibility for WWI is debatable, especially considering the driving force behind it were the Austrians and Russians. He has some, no doubt about that, but others are more culpable. The fact that he was usurped by Hindenburg and Ludendorff during the war and was effectively no longer the leader of the German Empire also puts a bit more blame on those two for a lot that happened during the war. Not to mention that while unnecessary, WWI was also largely inevitable given the political climate in Europe.
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Harpers Ferry wrote:he is up there to be sure, but perhaps Wilhelm II or whichever Weimar leader was in office during the inflation are above him.


Depression wasn't fully the Weimar Republic's fault though. Country was screwed from blockade during WW1, reparations and the strike in the Ruhr

The Depression itself wasn't, but Brüning did exacerbate it through his politics. These were in fact partially motivated to suspend reparation payments, which he got, so that's not a reason. The blockade during the war was over a decade ago. The effects thereof on the economy of the late 20s and early 30s was nonexistent. And the strike in the Ruhr was actively supported by government until Stresemann called off support for the strikers.

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Postby Bezombia » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:35 am

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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:58 am

Bezombia wrote:
Stroznia wrote:*for readers who didn't know this, I just want to make it super clear that back in the 1800s, the Republicans and the Democrats were basically switched from what they are today, in terms of platform/ideology.


That wasn't in the 1800s, that was in the 1920s.

If the switch happened in the 1920s, then they "were basically switched" from our modern perspective in the 1800s.

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Postby Bezombia » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:01 am

Laerod wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
That wasn't in the 1800s, that was in the 1920s.

If the switch happened in the 1920s, then they "were basically switched" from our modern perspective in the 1800s.


My eyes skipped over the "were". Nevermind.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:07 am

Laerod wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I still think Willie 2 was worse, the first world War was completely unnecessary.

His responsibility for WWI is debatable, especially considering the driving force behind it were the Austrians and Russians. He has some, no doubt about that, but others are more culpable. The fact that he was usurped by Hindenburg and Ludendorff during the war and was effectively no longer the leader of the German Empire also puts a bit more blame on those two for a lot that happened during the war. Not to mention that while unnecessary, WWI was also largely inevitable given the political s.


Wilhelm was responsible for the military build up prior to the war. Particularly the naval building which threatened Britain. As well as giving Austria unconditional support in dealign with Serbia.

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Postby Cabana » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:07 am

Neo Philippine Empire wrote:Cory Aquino(Philippines)

What about Ferdinand Marcos and his death squads?
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Postby Alinghi Federal-Democratic Republic » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:18 am

Mussolini in the monarchic time, Berlusconi in the republican yime. The worst is Mussolini
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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:20 am

Alinghi Federal-Democratic Republic wrote:Mussolini in the monarchic time, Berlusconi in the republican yime. The worst is Mussolini

I'm curious, why hasn't anyone mentioned Giulio Andreotti though? A lot of people seem to take issues with his political corruption, his alleged cosying up to the Mafia and his involvement in Operation Gladio and etc.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:20 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Laerod wrote:His responsibility for WWI is debatable, especially considering the driving force behind it were the Austrians and Russians. He has some, no doubt about that, but others are more culpable. The fact that he was usurped by Hindenburg and Ludendorff during the war and was effectively no longer the leader of the German Empire also puts a bit more blame on those two for a lot that happened during the war. Not to mention that while unnecessary, WWI was also largely inevitable given the political s.


Wilhelm was responsible for the military build up prior to the war. Particularly the naval building which threatened Britain. As well as giving Austria unconditional support in dealign with Serbia.

It takes two to arms race and the rivalry with Britain didn't cause the war, at the very least not to the extent that the July Crisis did. Similarly, supporting Austria was poorly thought out, but wouldn't have resulted in war if the Austrians hadn't been fucktards themselves and told the Serbs to go fuck themselves after the Serbs had agreed to virtually all of the ultimatum the Austrians had given them. And for what it's worth, Wilhelm tried to convince his cousin the Czar not to intervene and to leave it as a conflict between the Austrians and Serbs.

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Postby Vashtanaraada » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:39 pm

Laerod wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Wilhelm was responsible for the military build up prior to the war. Particularly the naval building which threatened Britain. As well as giving Austria unconditional support in dealign with Serbia.

It takes two to arms race and the rivalry with Britain didn't cause the war, at the very least not to the extent that the July Crisis did. Similarly, supporting Austria was poorly thought out, but wouldn't have resulted in war if the Austrians hadn't been fucktards themselves and told the Serbs to go fuck themselves after the Serbs had agreed to virtually all of the ultimatum the Austrians had given them. And for what it's worth, Wilhelm tried to convince his cousin the Czar not to intervene and to leave it as a conflict between the Austrians and Serbs.


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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:42 pm

Vashtanaraada wrote:
Laerod wrote:It takes two to arms race and the rivalry with Britain didn't cause the war, at the very least not to the extent that the July Crisis did. Similarly, supporting Austria was poorly thought out, but wouldn't have resulted in war if the Austrians hadn't been fucktards themselves and told the Serbs to go fuck themselves after the Serbs had agreed to virtually all of the ultimatum the Austrians had given them. And for what it's worth, Wilhelm tried to convince his cousin the Czar not to intervene and to leave it as a conflict between the Austrians and Serbs.


Imperialism and jealousy caused WW1.

I'm going to point out that the causes of WWI are a bit of a hobby for me. Calling them "imperialism and jealousy" is a rather gross oversimplification even if it's technically going in the right direction.

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Postby Estado Nacional » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:43 pm

The Greater Aryan Race wrote:
Alinghi Federal-Democratic Republic wrote:Mussolini in the monarchic time, Berlusconi in the republican yime. The worst is Mussolini

I'm curious, why hasn't anyone mentioned Giulio Andreotti though? A lot of people seem to take issues with his political corruption, his alleged cosying up to the Mafia and his involvement in Operation Gladio and etc.


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