by Mazokia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:36 am
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by Masimino » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:40 am
by Alyakia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:41 am
Mazokia wrote:China would be a democracy, so no Tiananmen square massacre or Hong Kong protests.
by Seraven » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:45 am
Mazokia wrote:If Nationalist China won, China wouldn't have had the Great Famine, and other things.
China would be a democracy, so no Tiananmen square massacre or Hong Kong protests.
Let's admit that Chiang Kai-Shek was a better leader than Mao. Mao's personal army of brainwashed teenagers killed millions of people, killed teachers, abolished any form of education, and after his death, he left hundreds of thousands if not millions without any skills to get a job. That kind of crap didn't happen in Taiwan!
The Great Leap Forward was a huge failure, destroyed China economy, and killed tens of millions of people.
China would had great relations with the U.S so China would have been a member of NATO.
Chiang Kai-Shek encouraged industry, so China's economy would have been waaay better than it is right now.
The Alma Mater wrote:Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.
An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P
by Organized States » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:45 am
by East Fancainia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:48 am
by Organized States » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:51 am
Seraven wrote:Mazokia wrote:If Nationalist China won, China wouldn't have had the Great Famine, and other things.
China would be a democracy, so no Tiananmen square massacre or Hong Kong protests.
Let's admit that Chiang Kai-Shek was a better leader than Mao. Mao's personal army of brainwashed teenagers killed millions of people, killed teachers, abolished any form of education, and after his death, he left hundreds of thousands if not millions without any skills to get a job. That kind of crap didn't happen in Taiwan!
The Great Leap Forward was a huge failure, destroyed China economy, and killed tens of millions of people.
China would had great relations with the U.S so China would have been a member of NATO.
Chiang Kai-Shek encouraged industry, so China's economy would have been waaay better than it is right now.
But in a country where education is limited, democracy is not exactly the best choice, as uneducated people in China back then are many. Communism, on the other hand, offering things benefiting for the people and with the results convincing them as well.
If anything, Chiang is a worse leader than Mao. KMT is rife with corruption, and less support even from the people themselves.
by Arab Jamahiriyahs » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:53 am
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by Exxosia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:53 am
by Seraven » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:56 am
Organized States wrote:Seraven wrote:
But in a country where education is limited, democracy is not exactly the best choice, as uneducated people in China back then are many. Communism, on the other hand, offering things benefiting for the people and with the results convincing them as well.
If anything, Chiang is a worse leader than Mao. KMT is rife with corruption, and less support even from the people themselves.
Unfortunately, I will have to give you the first point on the problems of Democracy being implemented easily in China at the time and the "prospects" offered under Communism.
However, I respectfully disagree with your ideals about Mao, as well, he was no better. Mao and Chiang are responsible for a lot of deaths, and I mean a lot. Sure, the KMT stole money, but the Communists did it too.
The Alma Mater wrote:Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.
An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P
by Arab Jamahiriyahs » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:59 am
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by Organized States » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:02 am
Seraven wrote:Organized States wrote:
Unfortunately, I will have to give you the first point on the problems of Democracy being implemented easily in China at the time and the "prospects" offered under Communism.
However, I respectfully disagree with your ideals about Mao, as well, he was no better. Mao and Chiang are responsible for a lot of deaths, and I mean a lot. Sure, the KMT stole money, but the Communists did it too.
Why it's unfortunately even though I was right?
Well, I'm agree with that. Mao and Chiang have their own good and bad merits.
by West Aurelia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:05 am
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by Empire of Vlissingen » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:06 am
by Seraven » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:06 am
Organized States wrote:Seraven wrote:
Why it's unfortunately even though I was right?
Well, I'm agree with that. Mao and Chiang have their own good and bad merits.
It's more or less I disagree with Communist ideals and believe that Democracy is a more fair method to Government, but let's not let that butt in on a conversation about history.
True. Chiang did try to modernize China (and failed due to the Japanese Invasion and the Second Sino-Japanese War) and Mao probably stopped China from collapsing in the days after the Civil War.
The Alma Mater wrote:Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.
An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P
by Herskerstad » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:21 am
by Socialist Czechia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:23 am
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Neo Philippine Empire » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:29 am
by Herskerstad » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:55 am
Socialist Czechia wrote:China would look basically same, with perhaps even less civil rights And Mongolia would be totally annexed. Kuomintang was very irredentist band.
by Baltenstein » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:57 am
by Megali Helles » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:58 am
by Herskerstad » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:00 am
Baltenstein wrote:North Korea would have probably lost the Korean war and unified with the Republic of Korea, thus robbing the world of a million Kim memes.
by Socialist Czechia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:04 am
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Alyakia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:14 am
Megali Helles wrote:30 million people wouldnt have been murdered by their government.
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