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Postby Myrensis » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:38 pm

Deian salazar wrote:This feels 1 sided here......
Question:Are y'all siding with the USA because you like it?


No, we're siding with the US because...well, reality. No current nations have the sort of force projection capability needed to launch such an invasion, and even if they did, there's no way to hide movement on that scale from the US.

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Postby Aahmerica » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:48 pm

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Postby Oceans Haven » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:00 am

Myrensis wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:This feels 1 sided here......
Question:Are y'all siding with the USA because you like it?


No, we're siding with the US because...well, reality. No current nations have the sort of force projection capability needed to launch such an invasion, and even if they did, there's no way to hide movement on that scale from the US.



indeed. Lets face it, as an american ill be the first to admit weve fucked up a lot in the past. but if were good at one thing (besides pizza and FREEDOM!!!!!) its guns! GLORIOUS GUNS!!! lots n lots n lots n lots n.....you get the idea. But seriously, if our military got any bigger the idea of the US beating the whole world (providing no nukes are used) would actually get less far fetched. We have the largest navy, largest carriers, think second largest submarines (think russia typhoon class subs took first place) countless ICBMS, the first stealth bomber, first stealth fighterjet, F-15 eagles which were THE air superiority fighter until the turn of the century, not to mention we can produce F-16 falcons by the assload (and have judging by how many countries use them) for better or worse, we ARE the big stick country.

EDIT: Would also like to add.....an entire group of nationstates players almost unanimously agreed that US vs any country is a total US victory. Since when has any thread on this site had an argument where so many agreed on the same thing?
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:01 am

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:16 am

The Canadian plan seems the most feasible; slow and imperceptible. Infiltrate Canadians like Thomas Edison and Walt Disney so that Americans think they are their own. Create a million strong fifth column of Canadians, almost invisible to the Americans around them, ready to strike as soon as William Shatner gives the order...
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:21 am

The whole idea is insane! I am more likely to find a Death Note and use it to become the God of the New World, than any series of nations successfully invading the USA.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:05 am

Aahmerica wrote:A rifle behind every blade of grass.

So... an army of sapient insects that have gained the usage of miniaturized firearms?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:26 am

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New Decius wrote:No nation would lift a finger to help America. Especially European Nations who rely on Russian Oil more than they rely on U.S. Goods.

Oh, really? The missile defense systems they use are all US designs. They would not let the US fall. Also, oil is based on the US dollar, so if the US goes, the price of oil goes waaaaaaaay up.

A, no, B, if the US goes under the value of the dollar will fall.
So while oil will be worth a ludicrously large number of dollars, it'll not increase much elsewhere
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:07 am

The British pulled it off in the 60s, so sure.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:48 am

Sun Wukong wrote:The British pulled it off in the 60s, so sure.

Zing!
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:51 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:The British pulled it off in the 60s, so sure.

Zing!

I thought, for sure, no one would get that.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:55 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Aahmerica wrote:A rifle behind every blade of grass.

So... an army of sapient insects that have gained the usage of miniaturized firearms?


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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:55 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Zing!

I thought, for sure, no one would get that.

It took me a second.
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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:00 am

The only countries who could pull off such an invasion would be China and Russia. However, the US has the support of NATO should any invasion occur. Also, China and Russia aren't exactly allies - they're more like friends. It would be unlikely that either of them would drag itself into an unnecessary war should the other decide to invade the US.

/sidenote/ The situation in MW2 was rather justified as Allen was a CIA agent on a CIA-sanctioned mission to assist in the terror attacks. /sidenote/
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:14 am

West Aurelia wrote:The only countries who could pull off such an invasion would be China and Russia. However, the US has the support of NATO should any invasion occur. Also, China and Russia aren't exactly allies - they're more like friends. It would be unlikely that either of them would drag itself into an unnecessary war should the other decide to invade the US.

/sidenote/ The situation in MW2 was rather justified as Allen was a CIA agent on a CIA-sanctioned mission to assist in the terror attacks. /sidenote/

China doesn't have the amphibious or airborne capability to invade Taiwan.
This is the major reason why the "Republic of China" technically still exists.

Russia also doesn't have the airborne or amphibious capability to invade the US because... it never needed it.
The Russian forces were built for fighting in western Europe.
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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:19 am

We can cut the US Military Spending to $70 Billion Dollars and it still isn't feasible.

With hundreds of millions of firearms in the nation and probably having the highest amount of gun users per capita, it would be incredibly hard to launch an invasion on the Mainland US. There are also more militias per capita than any other nation in the US, and they are equipped with largely the same weapons as the US Military, and they would pose a huge threat to any invasion.

Furthermore, the US Military is one of the most advanced, and the US has some of the most advanced of military hardware in the world, so even if we cut the US Military budget to something minute, we would still be able to fight off an invasion.

Overall, it would be very hard to attack the Mainland US, given the demographics, group and armed forces.

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Postby Rio Brasilano » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:25 am

Oh god, i just imagine the number of militias and paramilitary groups formed by gun owners.
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Postby Tule » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:33 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:We can cut the US Military Spending to $70 Billion Dollars and it still isn't feasible.

With hundreds of millions of firearms in the nation and probably having the highest amount of gun users per capita, it would be incredibly hard to launch an invasion on the Mainland US. There are also more militias per capita than any other nation in the US, and they are equipped with largely the same weapons as the US Military, and they would pose a huge threat to any invasion.

Furthermore, the US Military is one of the most advanced, and the US has some of the most advanced of military hardware in the world, so even if we cut the US Military budget to something minute, we would still be able to fight off an invasion.

Overall, it would be very hard to attack the Mainland US, given the demographics, group and armed forces.


Access to weapons is worthless on its own. For US Citizens to fight effectively they need something much much more difficult to obtain: Organization, hierarchy, discipline and effective leadership.

The very goal of modern maneuver warfare is to deny these elements to the enemy, so good luck getting a bunch of SoCal Yuppies to form a cohesive military unit.

Not that the US Armed Forces couldn't defend the COTUS on their own.
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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:33 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:We can cut the US Military Spending to $70 Billion Dollars and it still isn't feasible.

With hundreds of millions of firearms in the nation and probably having the highest amount of gun users per capita, it would be incredibly hard to launch an invasion on the Mainland US. There are also more militias per capita than any other nation in the US, and they are equipped with largely the same weapons as the US Military, and they would pose a huge threat to any invasion.

Furthermore, the US Military is one of the most advanced, and the US has some of the most advanced of military hardware in the world, so even if we cut the US Military budget to something minute, we would still be able to fight off an invasion.

Overall, it would be very hard to attack the Mainland US, given the demographics, group and armed forces.


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Postby Immoren » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:05 am

Aahmerica wrote:A rifle behind every blade of grass.


Nuclear fire on every grassy field.
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Postby Hollorous » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:29 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:The only countries who could pull off such an invasion would be China and Russia. However, the US has the support of NATO should any invasion occur. Also, China and Russia aren't exactly allies - they're more like friends. It would be unlikely that either of them would drag itself into an unnecessary war should the other decide to invade the US.

/sidenote/ The situation in MW2 was rather justified as Allen was a CIA agent on a CIA-sanctioned mission to assist in the terror attacks. /sidenote/

China doesn't have the amphibious or airborne capability to invade Taiwan.
This is the major reason why the "Republic of China" technically still exists.

Russia also doesn't have the airborne or amphibious capability to invade the US because... it never needed it.
The Russian forces were built for fighting in western Europe.


Hmm...I'm no expert, but always thought that the PLA had the means of invading and subjugating Taiwan, but that the political (worldwide condemnation) and military (having to pacific the civilian populace) costs would be too much.

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Postby Grand Britannia » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:25 am

West Aurelia wrote:The only countries who could pull off such an invasion would be China and Russia. However, the US has the support of NATO should any invasion occur. Also, China and Russia aren't exactly allies - they're more like friends. It would be unlikely that either of them would drag itself into an unnecessary war should the other decide to invade the US.

/sidenote/ The situation in MW2 was rather justified as Allen was a CIA agent on a CIA-sanctioned mission to assist in the terror attacks. /sidenote/


That doesnt make the story in MW2 more justified in the slightest.
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:28 am

No.

No nation would be stupid enough to do so because of the number of nukes, soldiers, cash and influence over the UN, NATO and the World Bank the USA has.
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Postby Nervium » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:47 am

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Postby Gaiserin » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:50 am

Alien invasion, yes.
Otherwise, no.
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