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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:09 am

What exactly is wrong with electronic cigarettes?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:09 am

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Herskerstad wrote:And the state has legalized weed, oh, the irony.

Yeah, I really hate the trend from some people, especially on the left, who want to ban Tobacco yet legalise all Weed or other drugs.

Honestly it's not even about anything to me other than hating people who profit from others' misery.
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Postby Insaeldor » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:10 am

I mean I'm not fan of tobacco but a person does have the right to use such a product as it is there own body we are talking about. I mean if we're going to legalize pot we should also have legal tabacco and alcohol.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:10 am

Costa Fierro wrote:What exactly is wrong with electronic cigarettes?

This. I absolutely support e-cigs, in fact I think vaporizers should be distributed to anybody who would smoke something as a harm reduction strategy.
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Postby Dejanic » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:19 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Yeah, I really hate the trend from some people, especially on the left, who want to ban Tobacco yet legalise all Weed or other drugs.

Honestly it's not even about anything to me other than hating people who profit from others' misery.

It wasn't really aimed at you, more so some pot heads I've seen who want Tobacco completely banned.

I'd rather just have the heaviest regulations set possible on where you can smoke the stuff, and possibly have the industry put into public hands.
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Postby Edward Scissorhands » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:21 am

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And just because you lack self-control, others should be forced to travel long distances for them? Bullshit, this is just an another attack on freedom by health fanatics. If you want to quit smoking, then there are other ways but don't force others to.


At first I did not lack self control, it is generally nice to keep cigars with you in case anybody asks or your talking to somebody and you need to think he wants to have a smoke, so you offer him a cigar, it is polite and since I carry them with me at all times, I smoked one of them now it has become two of them recently.

I tell people not to smoke as a smoker, it is just one nasty habit, just plain out stupid and every smoker lacks self control, they are all going to be at time point sometime or the other that they will be addicted, it is just a matter of time, if your a kid and thinks smoking is cool, don't fall for that trap, it is a stupid fucking trap.


I'm not a kid and don't think smoking is cool, but I respect the choices of others unlike the majority of governments and people.

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Postby Manisdog » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:27 am

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At first I did not lack self control, it is generally nice to keep cigars with you in case anybody asks or your talking to somebody and you need to think he wants to have a smoke, so you offer him a cigar, it is polite and since I carry them with me at all times, I smoked one of them now it has become two of them recently.

I tell people not to smoke as a smoker, it is just one nasty habit, just plain out stupid and every smoker lacks self control, they are all going to be at time point sometime or the other that they will be addicted, it is just a matter of time, if your a kid and thinks smoking is cool, don't fall for that trap, it is a stupid fucking trap.


I'm not a kid and don't think smoking is cool, but I respect the choices of others unlike the majority of governments and people.



I don't refer to anyone in person when I post just so you know, it is more like a plea to people who think smoking is a good idea, people don't have the right to smoke and get lung cancer because we end up paying for their stupidity, I personally think such people should be left to die but than again we really can't do that, it would not be civilized so we need to stop them from smoking.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:04 am

Good intentions,, really stupid idea. Welcome to Massachusetts

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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:29 am

Dejanic wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:And the state has legalized weed, oh, the irony.

Yeah, I really hate the trend from some people, especially on the left, who want to ban Tobacco yet legalise all Weed or other drugs.


Yup, it's like having an objection to gas power plants because they pollute, yet standing firm in opening coal plants.

Then hey, it's Massachusetts. The region which can ban anything from bottled water to sagging pants. They have a really odd notion of the 'common good' trapped someplace between progressivism and fascism, with no political mirror to view their own chronic hypocrisy.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:37 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:What exactly is wrong with electronic cigarettes?

This. I absolutely support e-cigs, in fact I think vaporizers should be distributed to anybody who would smoke something as a harm reduction strategy.


Well there's still a lot of studies going on with e-cigs, and some of them are showing that they have some dangers of their own. It's less than with classic cigarettes, but they're still there.
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Postby Spoder » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:39 am

Oh boy. Because we've learned this works. Yeah.
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Postby Indira » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:41 am

A very bad idea, hurting business and acheiving nothing. A better response would be to simply ban the sale of tobacco products to minors.

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Postby Mandicoria » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:41 am

Shrillland wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:And the state has legalized weed, oh, the irony.


I know, right? A reasonable group of people would just keep it out of public areas, but this isn't reasonable.

Erm, I hope you remember that it was Tobacco products that were banned, not the practice of smoking.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:45 am

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I know, right? A reasonable group of people would just keep it out of public areas, but this isn't reasonable.

Erm, I hope you remember that it was Tobacco that was banned, not the practice of smoking.


Oh, I remember that well. My point was that it's one thing to say you can't do something in a public place, it's another to say that you can't buy the product because it's bad for you. It can't work on the limited scale it's on, and it wouldn't work on a larger scale either.
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Postby Armed United Republic of Michigan » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:46 am

That isn't going to stop jack s@#$/. All this will do is drive smoking tobacco underground and hurt local small businesses. That just sounds like Massachusetts. Oh, and not to mention this is none of the government's business. If people really want to stop smoking, they have to get the discipline to do it themselves.

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Postby Mandicoria » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:50 am

Shrillland wrote:
Mandicoria wrote:Erm, I hope you remember that it was Tobacco that was banned, not the practice of smoking.


Oh, I remember that well. My point was that it's one thing to say you can't do something in a public place, it's another to say that you can't buy the product because it's bad for you. It can't work on the limited scale it's on, and it wouldn't work on a larger scale either.

I wholeheartedly agree. Especially seeing on how there was a little thing done during the 20's that tried doing the same thing, but with a different type of product. We all remember how well that went.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:40 am

Sounds great if you hate freedom. Why not outlaw high calorie foods and fine people if they don't get a full eight hours of sleep? When we start telling people that the state can dictate what's best for them we have a serious fucking problem.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:44 am

They are banning the sale of tobacco products, not the use of tobacco products. They're doing so because they are having a hard time keeping up with legislation for all the myriad of products the tobacco companies create and target children with.

There are literally hundreds of dry counties in the South, including the county where Jack Daniels is headquartered. Why is this one municipality banning tobacco sales such an affront?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:46 am

Sdaeriji wrote:They are banning the sale of tobacco products, not the use of tobacco products. They're doing so because they are having a hard time keeping up with legislation for all the myriad of products the tobacco companies create and target children with.

There are literally hundreds of dry counties in the South, including the county where Jack Daniels is headquartered. Why is this one municipality banning tobacco sales such an affront?


You're asking why we have a problem shooting ourselves in the foot given we've already shot ourselves in the hand.
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Postby Solaray » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:05 am

Glad I don't live there. I don't even smoke much, but damn that's dumb.
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Postby Digital Planets » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:16 am

Are single towns even allowed to this?
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Postby Philip Morris USA » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:42 am

"We believe businesses should be able to choose which products they carry," Sutton said. "If the ban were to be implemented, adult tobacco and e-vapor consumers could shift their purchases to neighboring stores. The proposed regulations, if enacted, would fundamentally alter these businesses and would likely cost Westminster jobs."

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Postby Xerusia » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:08 am

Good. Smoking is disgusting. When I go out I don't want to smell tobacco.
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Postby Solaray » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:24 am

Xerusia wrote:Good. Smoking is disgusting. When I go out I don't want to smell tobacco.

That doesn't sound very libertarian.
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Postby Greater-London » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:29 am

Absolutely ridiculous, as we've learned from Alcohol and other drugs prohibition doesn't work. So instead you legalize and regulate it whilst simultaneously noticing that what someone does with their body is their business.
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