10 Hours Walking Through NYC as a Woman: catcalling

[Galloism]

Yes.

We don't want a larger prison population. We already have the highest incarceration rate in the world, and violent criminals who have to go on a waiting list before being jailed because there's no room in the jails.

So they're convicted, and sentenced, but they have to wait 3 months before going to jail.

Prisons are for imprisoning and punishing those who have done Wrong.

If something is Wrong, then it needs to be punished. If there aren't enough prisons, then we build more. Its the same logic with building more hospitals or more schools if there is a greater societal need for it.

If Wrongdoers are not locked up, society will suffer.

If we lock up half of society, it will suffer too - that's the whole fucking point. We'll have half of the country in prison and half being guards.

We can't afford the prisoners we have now, and it's a net drain on the economy, exacerbating poor economic conditions. These types of economic conditions lead to starvation, homelessness, exposure, and suicide.

Jesus. How plain do have to make this? Do I need to draw a picture? Do you not realize we have, by far, the highest incarceration rate in the first world?

[Upper America]

Did your crystal ball tell you about the future? Calling someone beautiful may be more acceptable in the future. I thought it was ok now, but I was wrong, apparently.

No, that sort of thing will never be pleasant to experience.

I'd be happy to continue explaining this, but you haven't been listening for the last five pages, and I'm not sure why you'd start now. I'm just going to tell you to ask your friends, and leave it at that. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe a girl (though again, you should ask a couple of them, at least - I'd hate for you to ask an outlier who loves that shit, and conclude it was always definitely acceptable).

So basically, you want me to only ask people who agree with you? Then how am I supposed to bring the inevitable paragraph that shows that I have disproved you? Because I have. Saying "good morning" isn't harrasment, for gods sake.

[Infected Mushroom]

Prisons are for imprisoning and punishing those who have done Wrong.

If something is Wrong, then it needs to be punished. If there aren't enough prisons, then we build more. Its the same logic with building more hospitals or more schools if there is a greater societal need for it.

If Wrongdoers are not locked up, society will suffer.

If we lock up half of society, it will suffer too - that's the whole fucking point. We'll have half of the country in prison and half being guards.

We can't afford the prisoners we have now, and it's a net drain on the economy, exacerbating poor economic conditions. These types of economic conditions lead to starvation, homelessness, exposure, and suicide.

Jesus. How plain do have to make this? Do I need to draw a picture? Do you not realize we have, by far, the highest incarceration rate in the first world?

A high incarceration rate just means that a lot of people in the USA, for some reason, are doing Bad things and need to be locked away.

If we artificially lower the incarceration rate, it just means a ton of dangerous criminals are going around not being punished. Society will suffer.

The logical response to ''There aren't enough prisons to punish all criminals'' shouldn't be... ''Let's start legalizing everything and just let the criminals go around doing Harm.'' It should instead be... ''Since there is an urgent demand for more prisons, we better get down to it and build more.''

Half of the people will not be in prison, just the ones who do Bad things. And most citizens will obey the law, as they always have.

The USA is the world's richest country, so I'm sure it can get the necessary funding somehow.

[Upper America]

If we lock up half of society, it will suffer too - that's the whole fucking point. We'll have half of the country in prison and half being guards.

We can't afford the prisoners we have now, and it's a net drain on the economy, exacerbating poor economic conditions. These types of economic conditions lead to starvation, homelessness, exposure, and suicide.

Jesus. How plain do have to make this? Do I need to draw a picture? Do you not realize we have, by far, the highest incarceration rate in the first world?

A high incarceration rate just means that a lot of people in the USA, for some reason, are doing Bad things and need to be locked away.

If we artificially lower the incarceration rate, it just means a ton of dangerous criminals are going around not being punished. Society will suffer.

The logical response to ''There aren't enough prisons to punish all criminals'' shouldn't be... ''Let's start legalizing everything and just let the criminals go around doing Harm.'' It should instead be... ''Since there is an urgent demand for more prisons, we better get down to it and build more.''

Half of the people will not be in prison, just the ones who do Bad things. And most citizens will obey the law, as they always have.

The USA is the world's richest country, so I'm sure it can get the necessary funding somehow.

Yes, we're so rich, we're mired in debt. I bet if you've ever been to prison, you wouldn't be saying what you are right now.

[Tubbsalot]

So basically, you want me to only ask people who agree with you?

No, I want you to ask several people. Because there are people who enjoy it, particularly when they're not very experienced; I'm not denying that. I'm saying there are lots of people who hate it, and you shouldn't just assume those people are morons. It's very reasonable to find it uncomfortable.

If you asked a dozen people and only 6 said it was creepy, that's my point made.

[Upper America]

So basically, you want me to only ask people who agree with you?

No, I want you to ask several people. Because there are people who enjoy it, particularly when they're not very experienced; I'm not denying that. I'm saying there are lots of people who hate it, and you shouldn't just assume those people are morons. It's very reasonable to find it uncomfortable.

If you asked a dozen people and only 6 said it was creepy, that's my point made.

I bet lots of people would think that a simple "Have a nice day" is not creepy. The ones who do are probably massive introverts who don't like humans.

[Infected Mushroom]

A high incarceration rate just means that a lot of people in the USA, for some reason, are doing Bad things and need to be locked away.

If we artificially lower the incarceration rate, it just means a ton of dangerous criminals are going around not being punished. Society will suffer.

The logical response to ''There aren't enough prisons to punish all criminals'' shouldn't be... ''Let's start legalizing everything and just let the criminals go around doing Harm.'' It should instead be... ''Since there is an urgent demand for more prisons, we better get down to it and build more.''

Half of the people will not be in prison, just the ones who do Bad things. And most citizens will obey the law, as they always have.

The USA is the world's richest country, so I'm sure it can get the necessary funding somehow.

Yes, we're so rich, we're mired in debt. I bet if you've ever been to prison, you wouldn't be saying what you are right now.

most of the world's richest countries are in debt, it's no big deal.

Also, I have never been arrested. I am a friend of the police and of the law.

[Mavorpen]

If we lock up half of society, it will suffer too - that's the whole fucking point. We'll have half of the country in prison and half being guards.

We can't afford the prisoners we have now, and it's a net drain on the economy, exacerbating poor economic conditions. These types of economic conditions lead to starvation, homelessness, exposure, and suicide.

Jesus. How plain do have to make this? Do I need to draw a picture? Do you not realize we have, by far, the highest incarceration rate in the first world?

A high incarceration rate just means that a lot of people in the USA, for some reason, are doing Bad things and need to be locked away.

If we artificially lower the incarceration rate, it just means a ton of dangerous criminals are going around not being punished. Society will suffer.

The logical response to ''There aren't enough prisons to punish all criminals'' shouldn't be... ''Let's start legalizing everything and just let the criminals go around doing Harm.'' It should instead be... ''Since there is an urgent demand for more prisons, we better get down to it and build more.''

Half of the people will not be in prison, just the ones who do Bad things. And most citizens will obey the law, as they always have.

The USA is the world's richest country, so I'm sure it can get the necessary funding somehow.

Boy, your "Pull-Money-Out-Of-Our-Ass" economic model sounds so well thought out and based in empirical data.

[MERIZoC]

If we lock up half of society, it will suffer too - that's the whole fucking point. We'll have half of the country in prison and half being guards.

We can't afford the prisoners we have now, and it's a net drain on the economy, exacerbating poor economic conditions. These types of economic conditions lead to starvation, homelessness, exposure, and suicide.

Jesus. How plain do have to make this? Do I need to draw a picture? Do you not realize we have, by far, the highest incarceration rate in the first world?

A high incarceration rate just means that a lot of people in the USA, for some reason, are doing Bad things and need to be locked away.

If we artificially lower the incarceration rate, it just means a ton of dangerous criminals are going around not being punished.

You see, here's where your argument falls apart.

[Upper America]

Yes, we're so rich, we're mired in debt. I bet if you've ever been to prison, you wouldn't be saying what you are right now.

most of the world's richest countries are in debt, it's no big deal.

Also, I have never been arrested. I am a friend of the police and of the law.

Ah, you think the police love you oh so much? News flash, they don't. You break one law, and you'll find yourself in one of those prisons you love so much. We'll see how much you like them when you come out.

[Infected Mushroom]

most of the world's richest countries are in debt, it's no big deal.

Also, I have never been arrested. I am a friend of the police and of the law.

Ah, you think the police love you oh so much? News flash, they don't. You break one law, and you'll find yourself in one of those prisons you love so much. We'll see how much you like them when you come out.

So why would I?

Prisons are unpleasant. That is the point. Its supposed to be punishment for wrongdoing.

If they were 5 star hotels, they'd hardly be punishment now would they?

[Tubbsalot]

No, I want you to ask several people. Because there are people who enjoy it, particularly when they're not very experienced; I'm not denying that. I'm saying there are lots of people who hate it, and you shouldn't just assume those people are morons. It's very reasonable to find it uncomfortable.

If you asked a dozen people and only 6 said it was creepy, that's my point made.

I bet lots of people would think that a simple "Have a nice day" is not creepy. The ones who do are probably massive introverts who don't like humans.

Okay, great, well, again, you should show that video to your female friends and see what they think.

It's great that you believe there's nothing wrong with it, but your thoughts are not a substitute for actual data.

[Galloism]

If we lock up half of society, it will suffer too - that's the whole fucking point. We'll have half of the country in prison and half being guards.

We can't afford the prisoners we have now, and it's a net drain on the economy, exacerbating poor economic conditions. These types of economic conditions lead to starvation, homelessness, exposure, and suicide.

Jesus. How plain do have to make this? Do I need to draw a picture? Do you not realize we have, by far, the highest incarceration rate in the first world?

A high incarceration rate just means that a lot of people in the USA, for some reason, are doing Bad things and need to be locked away.

If we artificially lower the incarceration rate, it just means a ton of dangerous criminals are going around not being punished. Society will suffer.

... those dangerous criminals who... talk nasty to people?

Own puppies?

Wear suits?

Those dangerous criminals?

The logical response to ''There aren't enough prisons to punish all criminals'' shouldn't be... ''Let's start legalizing everything and just let the criminals go around doing Harm.'' It should instead be... ''Since there is an urgent demand for more prisons, we better get down to it and build more.''

Half of the people will not be in prison, just the ones who do Bad things. And most citizens will obey the law, as they always have.

Of course, the vast majority of Americans have committed felonies.

As far as other infractions, 89% of Americans exceed the posted speed limits.

That's no surprise to me of course, but then again, I watch people. Most people break the law. I'd be surprised if you could find 1 out of 100 that doesn't break the law in any form or fashion.

The USA is the world's richest country, so I'm sure it can get the necessary funding somehow.

Not if we imprison almost every taxpayer in the country and then have to pay the rest to guard them.

[Planeia]

If you'd watch the fucking two minute video, you'd understand the fact that they went over board by including the instances when she was blessed and greeted by people and completely left alone after that.

If you'd read my fucking nine word sentence, you'd understand I'm not talking about the video, don't care about the video, and my arguments have nothing to do with the video. The video could be of a woman being asked for directions, then stabbing the guy in the face with a pickaxe. I don't care! It has nothing to do with anything!

Then you're arguing something completely different, dude. We're talking about the video here.

[Upper America]

I bet lots of people would think that a simple "Have a nice day" is not creepy. The ones who do are probably massive introverts who don't like humans.

Okay, great, well, again, you should show that video to your female friends and see what they think.

It's great that you believe there's nothing wrong with it, but your thoughts are not a substitute for actual data.

Alright, I showed it to a few. They all said some was creepy, but most of it was ok.

[Condunum]

'Harassment' is a ridiculous way to describe absolutely anything shown on the video (bar the guy walking behind her which was short stalking / harassment of sort) and people moaning about this should be sent out to northern Finland where they can live a world free from social connection.

This is my favorite, and better video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY

I wish I could watch that. Fucking youtube being all slow on me...

No but we don't let burglars off just because their incarceration could lead to the eviction of their family members.

Ah, so you don't give a shit about innocent people suffering. Ok. Oh, and you should buy a dictionary. I don't think you know what burglar means.

Street harassment isn't compliments, it's rude catcalling that's not asked for, or wanted.

Ah, ok. So I'll make sure to never tell a woman she's pretty unless we're dating. So, no more flirting.

Your intentional misunderstanding of what I'm saying doesn't change the fact that street harassment is wrong.

[Upper America]

I wish I could watch that. Fucking youtube being all slow on me...
Ah, so you don't give a shit about innocent people suffering. Ok. Oh, and you should buy a dictionary. I don't think you know what burglar means.


Ah, ok. So I'll make sure to never tell a woman she's pretty unless we're dating. So, no more flirting.

Your intentional misunderstanding of what I'm saying doesn't change the fact that street harassment is wrong.

What do I have to do, stuff my comment in a shotgun and fire it just to get it through your skull? Calling someone beautiful or saying "good evening" is NOT street harassment. Got it?

[Condunum]

Your intentional misunderstanding of what I'm saying doesn't change the fact that street harassment is wrong.

What do I have to do, stuff my comment in a shotgun and fire it just to get it through your skull? Calling someone beautiful or saying "good evening" is NOT street harassment. Got it?

Nooooo shiiiiiiit. I didn't say it was. I even said it wasn't.

[Upper America]

What do I have to do, stuff my comment in a shotgun and fire it just to get it through your skull? Calling someone beautiful or saying "good evening" is NOT street harassment. Got it?

Nooooo shiiiiiiit. I didn't say it was. I even said it wasn't.

So then why are you claiming that I am misunderstanding what you are saying?

[Condunum]

Nooooo shiiiiiiit. I didn't say it was. I even said it wasn't.

So then why are you claiming that I am misunderstanding what you are saying?

Because I said I wasn't talking about compliments...

[Upper America]

So then why are you claiming that I am misunderstanding what you are saying?

Because I said I wasn't talking about compliments...

I'll belive it when I see it.

[Condunum]

Because I said I wasn't talking about compliments...

I'll belive it when I see it.

The confusion came when you repeatedly used street harassment as a synonym for compliments.

[Ceannairceach]

I dont know about people in NYC, but where I come from people say hello when you walk pass on the street, the polite thing is to at least smile in acknowledgement. Walking straight ahead without even looking sideways is rude possibly suspicious.

That isn't the street culture of NYC. There are literally hundreds of people around you in any given direction. Stopping to exchange pleasantries isn't something that's done, especially not when they're complete strangers. Hell, I've seen people I know quite well in NYC that I barely acknowledge with a nod. It just isn't done. The people in the video are breaking some serious social norms by calling out to her even in innocuous ways. And they're doing it simply because they find her attractive.

[Condunum]

I dont know about people in NYC, but where I come from people say hello when you walk pass on the street, the polite thing is to at least smile in acknowledgement. Walking straight ahead without even looking sideways is rude possibly suspicious.

That isn't the street culture of NYC. There are literally hundreds of people around you in any given direction. Stopping to exchange pleasantries isn't something that's done, especially not when they're complete strangers. Hell, I've seen people I know quite well in NYC that I barely acknowledge with a nod. It just isn't done. The people in the video are breaking some serious social norms by calling out to her even in innocuous ways. And they're doing it simply because they find her attractive.

Good god, social norms aren't laws. You'd think the people on this site have never walked in the city for more than an hour if they haven't dealt with street talk. It happens all the fucking time. In Baltimore you can bet that at least a quarter of solo walkers you pass will nod or say hi. It's only weird when you're in a pack of people, because who are you to make a conversation in the middle of this otherwise quiet group of denizens

[Upper America]

I dont know about people in NYC, but where I come from people say hello when you walk pass on the street, the polite thing is to at least smile in acknowledgement. Walking straight ahead without even looking sideways is rude possibly suspicious.

That isn't the street culture of NYC. There are literally hundreds of people around you in any given direction. Stopping to exchange pleasantries isn't something that's done, especially not when they're complete strangers. Hell, I've seen people I know quite well in NYC that I barely acknowledge with a nod. It just isn't done. The people in the video are breaking some serious social norms by calling out to her even in innocuous ways. And they're doing it simply because they find her attractive.

Would you complain if she was ugly?