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United Marxist Nations wrote:

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Yeah, because we had more money because we raped more countries of their resources. Now take your American Nationalism elsewhere.

I think he's actually German.

German-american, actually.

Oh wow American spy-agencies employed former Nazis, colour me shocked indeed.

...I mean yeah they committed warcrimes, but THE SOVIETS WANTED THEM TOO SO GET THEM ALL BEFORE THE RED VIRUS TAKES OVER EUROPE AHHHHH BOMBS!!!

Oaledonia wrote:

Lyttenburg wrote:Do your morally superior history book

Here come the baseless assumptions that Lytt uses to victimize the East.
All "based" on self-asserted stereotypes that Lytt himself then instates as the American mindset when he, himself, is not American nor has lived in this nation for any length of time.

I'm not sure what you mean here. American history books do create an air of moral superiority. They do so by fibbing, "leaving out irrelevant facts" and outright lying.

Condunum wrote:

Oaledonia wrote:Here come the baseless assumptions that Lytt uses to victimize the East.
All "based" on self-asserted stereotypes that Lytt himself then instates as the American mindset when he, himself, is not American nor has lived in this nation for any length of time.

I'm not sure what you mean here. American history books do create an air of moral superiority. They do so by fibbing, "leaving out irrelevant facts" and outright lying.

"What Nazi spies? We killed them all after WW2! I suggest you re-read your textbook young'in."

The Nazis killed Communists on a scale never before seen. Why wouldn't the U.S. want to employ them?

Haven't we known this? I mean, the CIA worked with Klaus Barbie to get Che Guevara. What they did was awful, but it's not exactly news.

This isn't news, the US and Soviets both used the Nazi's after the war. We've known about this for a long time.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:This isn't news, the US and Soviets both used the Nazi's after the war. We've known about this for a long time.

This, and in other news, human beings are still the undisputed champions of moral equivelancy. Remember children, you're only innocent until you grow up.

I love how the thread OP has been carefully picking and choosing which posts to argue against. Having to resort to cherry-picking the opposing side's argument to avoid loosing a debate is never a good sign.

Countries put aside politics and morals for their own gain? Holy shit, what a shocker!

The US recruited (and pardoned) people from Japan's infamous Unit 731 too. The Soviet Union sentenced 12 of the worst offenders to imprisonment for war crimes, but recruited some of the scientists who worked at the facility and built a bioweapons lab in Sverdlovsk based on the information they gained, from seized documentation and interviews with the scientists who they recruited.

The Soviets recruited Nazis for their purposes (intelligence, scientific and technical expertise, etc.) after the war too. What do you think about that, Lytt? The glorious Rodina is not capable of any wrong, so we'll just blame those crypto-fascist American imperialists for everything?

Condunum wrote:...I mean yeah they committed warcrimes, but THE SOVIETS WANTED THEM TOO SO GET THEM ALL BEFORE THE RED VIRUS TAKES OVER EUROPE AHHHHH BOMBS!!!

This is exactly the mindset that led to both sides setting aside their morals and utilizing the fruits of human experimentation in their bioweapons programs, and recruiting war criminals for their own purposes.

"If we don't do it, the other side will, and they'll get an advantage because of it".

Lemanrussland wrote:

Condunum wrote:...I mean yeah they committed warcrimes, but THE SOVIETS WANTED THEM TOO SO GET THEM ALL BEFORE THE RED VIRUS TAKES OVER EUROPE AHHHHH BOMBS!!!

This is exactly the mindset that led to both sides setting aside their morals and utilizing the fruits of human experimentation in their bioweapons programs, and recruiting war criminals for their own purposes.

"If we don't do it, the other side will, and they'll get an advantage because of it".

...Well, we did.

Lemanrussland wrote:
The Soviets recruited Nazis for their purposes (intelligence, scientific and technical expertise, etc.) after the war too. What do you think about that, Lytt? The glorious Rodina is not capable of any wrong, so we'll just blame those crypto-fascist American imperialists for everything?

"Because you're either with us or against us you damn hippy!"

This isn't big news.

This was known since fucking forever.

Soldati senza confini wrote:This isn't big news.

This was known since fucking forever.

Apparently its news to someone.

Lemanrussland wrote:Countries put aside politics and morals for their own gain? Holy shit, what a shocker!

The US recruited (and pardoned) people from Japan's infamous Unit 731 too. The Soviet Union sentenced 12 of the worst offenders to imprisonment for war crimes, but recruited some of the scientists who worked at the facility and built a bioweapons lab in Sverdlovsk based on the information they gained, from seized documentation and interviews with the scientists who they recruited.

The Soviets recruited Nazis for their purposes (intelligence, scientific and technical expertise, etc.) after the war too. What do you think about that, Lytt? The glorious Rodina is not capable of any wrong, so we'll just blame those crypto-fascist American imperialists for everything?

The article isn't about the scientists, it's about the more "rank and file", and by "rank and file", I mean "Active Duty SS Officers".

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:Countries put aside politics and morals for their own gain? Holy shit, what a shocker!

The US recruited (and pardoned) people from Japan's infamous Unit 731 too. The Soviet Union sentenced 12 of the worst offenders to imprisonment for war crimes, but recruited some of the scientists who worked at the facility and built a bioweapons lab in Sverdlovsk based on the information they gained, from seized documentation and interviews with the scientists who they recruited.

The Soviets recruited Nazis for their purposes (intelligence, scientific and technical expertise, etc.) after the war too. What do you think about that, Lytt? The glorious Rodina is not capable of any wrong, so we'll just blame those crypto-fascist American imperialists for everything?

The article isn't about the scientists, it's about the more "rank and file", and by "rank and file", I mean "Active Duty SS Officers".

And? So what?

Both sides recruited active duty SS officers (mostly from the Allgemeine SS). Some of the scientists in question were even members of the Allgemeine SS, most famously von Braun (although he was an honorary member, he was aware of the atrocities going on at Peenemuende, and he was powerless to stop them so he went along with it).

This isn't some bombshell.

It's regrettable and both sides were known to do this, but we can't do anything about it now. It's known that cautiousness and common sense were sometimes left behind in the Cold War.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:This isn't news, the US and Soviets both used the Nazi's after the war. We've known about this for a long time.

This part about "both". I'm asking for nth time - show me proof that "Soviets" employed Nazi war criminals as woas the case with the States.

Lemanrussland wrote:Countries put aside politics and morals for their own gain? Holy shit, what a shocker!

The US recruited (and pardoned) people from Japan's infamous Unit 731 too. The Soviet Union sentenced 12 of the worst offenders to imprisonment for war crimes, but recruited some of the scientists who worked at the facility and built a bioweapons lab in Sverdlovsk based on the information they gained, from seized documentation and interviews with the scientists who they recruited.

The Soviets recruited Nazis for their purposes (intelligence, scientific and technical expertise, etc.) after the war too. What do you think about that, Lytt? The glorious Rodina is not capable of any wrong, so we'll just blame those crypto-fascist American imperialists for everything?

Name me just one Nazi (not scientist - the article is dealing with StateSec types) with blood of several thousands on his hand recruited by the USSR.

Why not? Those Nazi's were wily bastards.

Lyttenburg wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:Countries put aside politics and morals for their own gain? Holy shit, what a shocker!

The US recruited (and pardoned) people from Japan's infamous Unit 731 too. The Soviet Union sentenced 12 of the worst offenders to imprisonment for war crimes, but recruited some of the scientists who worked at the facility and built a bioweapons lab in Sverdlovsk based on the information they gained, from seized documentation and interviews with the scientists who they recruited.

The Soviets recruited Nazis for their purposes (intelligence, scientific and technical expertise, etc.) after the war too. What do you think about that, Lytt? The glorious Rodina is not capable of any wrong, so we'll just blame those crypto-fascist American imperialists for everything?

Name me just one Nazi (not scientist - the article is dealing with StateSec types) with blood of several thousands on his hand recruited by the USSR.

The Soviet Union exploited the existing state security apparatus when they were setting up the GDR and the various state security organs of that state. Josef Settnik (who was a Gestapo agent based at Auschwitz and participated directly in the gassings, selections, and torture at the camp), Hans Sommer, Erich Apel (who helped organized the slave labor and concentration camps for the V2 program, became the GDR's Chairman of the State Planning Commission) and Willy Läritz (who was selected partially because he had compromising information on other ex-Nazis, who were subsequently also blackmailed when he informed on them) are some of the people that were known to be recruited, mostly into the Stasi, but also as spies against the West in some cases (Hans Sommer was an example of one of these, interestingly the Americans had tried to recruit him in order to infiltrate a Nazi rat tunnel, and he worked with the Gehlen Organization for some time after the war). Most of these people I've listed here are from the Gestapo or Waffen-SS.

Some former Nazis were also drafted into the Volksarmee, in order to build up the GDR's defense capability. In fact, the majority of the higher ranked commissioned officers were Wehrmacht veterans, though this was also the situation in the West. In total, it is suspected around 174,928 former NSDAP members were allowed into the SED by 1951.

Lyttenburg wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:Countries put aside politics and morals for their own gain? Holy shit, what a shocker!

The US recruited (and pardoned) people from Japan's infamous Unit 731 too. The Soviet Union sentenced 12 of the worst offenders to imprisonment for war crimes, but recruited some of the scientists who worked at the facility and built a bioweapons lab in Sverdlovsk based on the information they gained, from seized documentation and interviews with the scientists who they recruited.

The Soviets recruited Nazis for their purposes (intelligence, scientific and technical expertise, etc.) after the war too. What do you think about that, Lytt? The glorious Rodina is not capable of any wrong, so we'll just blame those crypto-fascist American imperialists for everything?

Name me just one Nazi (not scientist - the article is dealing with StateSec types) with blood of several thousands on his hand recruited by the USSR.

Maybe if you take off your Russian tinted goggles.

Benuty wrote:

Lyttenburg wrote:
Name me just one Nazi (not scientist - the article is dealing with StateSec types) with blood of several thousands on his hand recruited by the USSR.

Maybe if you take off your Russian tinted goggles.

Sorry, don't vear any goggles or glasses. And you fail to answer my question.

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