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Is Wicca "bad"?

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Postby Nature-Spirits » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:07 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:Let me put this in modern terms for you.

If I took a variety of stereotypes, misconceptions, and some actual practices of various unrelated Native American tribes, mashed them together into one system, and claimed to have founded my own Native American tribe, can you tell me on what level that is not disrespectful?

In principle, the idea is the same.

so your saying that almost every religion ever created is disrespectful

No, he's not. He's saying that Wicca is disrespectful because in a way, it almost bastardises the older religions that it's based upon.

Do I agree? Somewhat, yes. (This coming from a fellow Pagan.)
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Postby Digital Planets » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:08 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Qubec wrote:so your saying that almost every religion ever created is disrespectful

No. I'm saying that these artificial homunculus religions are disrespectful. Naturally syncretic religions are fine. Just like Native American tribes taking practices from one another or splitting off from time to time would be fine. Do you really not see the difference?


Explain what you mean by 'natural' religions.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:11 pm

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Explain what you mean by 'natural' religions.

By 'naturally syncretic' religions I mean religions that take on aspects of other religions as part of the same natural process that cultures take on aspects of other cultures. If someone 'made' a culture, that would be seen as ridiculous; religion is supposedly a much more important subject, yet creating religions isn't seen as ridiculous?
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:11 pm

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The Grey Wolf wrote:Another reason why I dislike Wicca. I like the whole God & Goddess concept, but it gets downright confusing and disrespectful when you make it that every deity is just a face for these two gods (a game of "customize your divinity.")

The interpretatio graeca et romana and similar concepts have a long history. The idea that all gods are essentially the same but worshiped in different ways is far from a new and disrespectful notion.


I'm referring to the duotheistic framework that several of them work under, where you can just switch faces of your divinity (there was never a concept where Zeus and Hermes were the same deity).

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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:13 pm

As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:13 pm

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I think you need to reword that. Paganism is considered religion.

There's nothing religious about paganism when there's no sacred texts or clerics.


Except, you know, for all the deities and supernatural figures.

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Postby Qubec » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:13 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:The interpretatio graeca et romana and similar concepts have a long history. The idea that all gods are essentially the same but worshiped in different ways is far from a new and disrespectful notion.


I'm referring to the duotheistic framework that several of them work under, where you can just switch faces of your divinity (there was never a concept where Zeus and Hermes were the same deity).


thats not the same for all wiccans. There are many branches and groups

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:14 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
I'm referring to the duotheistic framework that several of them work under, where you can just switch faces of your divinity (there was never a concept where Zeus and Hermes were the same deity).

No, but it was common to equate Ares, Mars, Belatucadros, etc, as all the same god, despite differing views of the god of war.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:14 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:1) As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. 2) I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.

1) Wiccans do not believe in Satan. In fact, it couldn't be farther from the truth.
2) Frozen is a work of fiction, and does not "promote witchcraft". That's a ridiculous notion.
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Postby Qubec » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:15 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.

Satain is not apart of most wiccan beliefs

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Postby Qubec » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I'm referring to the duotheistic framework that several of them work under, where you can just switch faces of your divinity (there was never a concept where Zeus and Hermes were the same deity).

No, but it was common to equate Ares, Mars, Belatucadros, etc, as all the same god, despite differing views of the god of war.


It depends on what branch of Wicca you are talking about, For example i believe that they are all different beings and rule over different aspects of life and earth

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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:16 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.

Source for where Satan figures into any version of the Wiccan belief system, plz? As far as I'm aware, Satan is strictly a figure in (some versions of) the Christian mythos.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I'm referring to the duotheistic framework that several of them work under, where you can just switch faces of your divinity (there was never a concept where Zeus and Hermes were the same deity).

No, but it was common to equate Ares, Mars, Belatucadros, etc, as all the same god, despite differing views of the god of war.


Yeah, but that's not what I was referring to.
Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.


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Postby Haktiva » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:16 pm

The only reason I know about Wicca is because it was talked about in Scooby Doo and the Witches Ghost, I doubt I'll be able to give much of an opinion beyond; I don't care so long as they aren't bothering me.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:17 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.

Source for where Satan figures into any version of the Wiccan belief system, plz? As far as I'm aware, Satan is strictly a figure in (some versions of) the Christian mythos.

Wiccans may not believe in Satan, but Satan influences them.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:17 pm

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Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.

Source for where Satan figures into any version of the Wiccan belief system, plz? As far as I'm aware, Satan is strictly a figure in (some versions of) the Christian mythos.


Does anyone (besides me and Jews) ever remember how Satan is simply a prosecutor in the Old Testament?

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Postby Digital Planets » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:17 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.


What the fuck? Is this a joke post?
So you decide to open it anyway? What the heck, man?

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Postby Qubec » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:18 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.

Source for where Satan figures into any version of the Wiccan belief system, plz? As far as I'm aware, Satan is strictly a figure in (some versions of) the Christian mythos.


as a wiccan myself i can tell you that satan is not part of the wiccan belief system

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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:18 pm

Digital Planets wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic. I do not like how movies like Frozen promote witchcraft.


What the fuck? Is this a joke post?

I am serious.
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Postby Qubec » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:18 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Source for where Satan figures into any version of the Wiccan belief system, plz? As far as I'm aware, Satan is strictly a figure in (some versions of) the Christian mythos.

Wiccans may not believe in Satan, but Satan influences them.


only according to your religion not ours

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Postby Qubec » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:18 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Digital Planets wrote:
What the fuck? Is this a joke post?

I am serious.

:rofl:

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Postby Nature-Spirits » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:19 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Source for where Satan figures into any version of the Wiccan belief system, plz? As far as I'm aware, Satan is strictly a figure in (some versions of) the Christian mythos.

Wiccans may not believe in Satan, but Satan influences them.

No. No he doesn't. Because if you actually look at most Wiccans' beliefs, they have nothing to do with your biblical Satan.

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Reploid Productions wrote:Source for where Satan figures into any version of the Wiccan belief system, plz? As far as I'm aware, Satan is strictly a figure in (some versions of) the Christian mythos.


Does anyone (besides me and Jews) ever remember how Satan is simply a prosecutor in the Old Testament?

I do, but that's because I'm a mythology nerd. :p
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Postby Qubec » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:20 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Source for where Satan figures into any version of the Wiccan belief system, plz? As far as I'm aware, Satan is strictly a figure in (some versions of) the Christian mythos.

Wiccans may not believe in Satan, but Satan influences them.


Satan is a being that promotes hate and violence both of which are against the wiccan religion

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Postby Othelos » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:20 pm

No, it isn't bad. It's just another belief system.

Greater Weselton wrote:As a Christian, I believe Wicca is Satanic.

This is only a fundamentalist christian thing.

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Postby Nature-Spirits » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:22 pm

Qubec wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:Wiccans may not believe in Satan, but Satan influences them.


Satan is a being that promotes hate and violence

Eh, the original Satan wasn't like that, but that is how most modern Christians see him, so I see your point.

I, of course, agree that Wicca is not satanic in the least.
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