Student to Bring Dagger to School for Religious Reasons

[Cata Larga]

Religion's gone too far this time. Not that it hasn't already.

Because everything bad that's ever happened was because of religion.

[Yukonastan]

The last time this was in the news the knife was allowed IF and only IF it were dulled and sewn into the sheath, making it useless as an actual weapon. I'm guessing similar measures were taken here.

[Sevvania]

After further research, I've found the ideal solution: in New York, kirpans that are brought to school must be secured in sheathes that make them impossible to draw. If the zero tolerance policy towards knives is to remain in place, then this is the best way to let kids bring knives to school without making hypocritical exceptions: by making sure the blade is incapable of being used as a knife. Sikhs get to carry their religious symbols, nobody runs the risk of getting stabbed, and schools can keep doling out the same punishments they've been giving to non-Sikhs with knives that aren't secured in sheathes that prevent them from being drawn.

Edit: Ninja'd.

[Anglo-California]

Yeah basically a pocket knife. Who cares?

That is literally nothing like a pocket knife, and you are being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to further your ideological stance on the matter.
Try harder or not at all.

What ideological stance? What conspiracy do you imagine me to be part of?

Yes, it is like a pocket knife. It's about the same size. Pocket knives are harmless, anyways.

[Grand Britannia]

Dagger OK.

Picture of gun bad.

You can always count on the education system to get their shit straight.

[Tyrinth]

That is literally nothing like a pocket knife, and you are being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to further your ideological stance on the matter.
Try harder or not at all.

What ideological stance? What conspiracy do you imagine me to be part of?

Yes, it is like a pocket knife. It's about the same size. Pocket knives are harmless, anyways.

I wouldn't say harmless, but the level of fear schools seem to have of them is exaggerated to the point of absurdity.

[Master Shake]

Dagger OK.

Picture of gun bad.

You can always count on the education system to get their shit straight.

So true...LOL

Nice avatar BTW

[Grand Britannia]

Dagger OK.

Picture of gun bad.

You can always count on the education system to get their shit straight.

So true...LOL

Nice avatar BTW

Why, thank you.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

you my friend won't fair well as a parent if you let the kid be your "friend"....

My dad's my best friend.

I am living proof that your assertion, this assertion you just mentioned, is bullshit.

[Yukonastan]

I personally don't see what the deal is. In Canada, it's alright if we bring in everything but the main firing components (eg receiver, bolt, barrel) of a firearm to school, for construction 10-30.

And those walnut rifle stocks are HEAVY. You could beat someone to death with that.

Not an issue, if we let admin know why we're bringing it in.

Similarly, I sometimes totally forget I have a 4" utility/Stanley dual-bladed knife in my bag. No one cares about that, it stays in the bag, I have no trouble with it, neither does anyone else.

teal deer: AMERIFAT NEEDS TO STOP BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE ABOUT UTILITY ITEMS BEING BROUGHT TO SCHOOL WHETHER ACCIDENTALLY OR ON PURPOSE.

[Chestaan]

Religion's gone too far this time. Not that it hasn't already.

The Crusades were too far, this is literally a knife that can be sewn into its sheath and dulled to the point where it would struggle to cut through butter.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Anyhow, on topic.

If the dagger is dull and unsharpened I see no issues in him carrying it around.

[Master Shake]

you my friend won't fair well as a parent if you let the kid be your "friend"....

My dad's my best friend.

I am living proof that your assertion, this assertion you just mentioned, is bullshit.

This is AFTER he raised you, is it not?

Imagine how you would have turned out if you got everything you want...

you'd be spoiled rotten and not have any appreciation for the sacrifices your father made for you and your family...

[Tyrinth]

I personally don't see what the deal is. In Canada, it's alright if we bring in everything but the main firing components (eg receiver, bolt, barrel) of a firearm to school, for construction 10-30.

And those walnut rifle stocks are HEAVY. You could beat someone to death with that.

Not an issue, if we let admin know why we're bringing it in.

Similarly, I sometimes totally forget I have a 4" utility/Stanley dual-bladed knife in my bag. No one cares about that, it stays in the bag, I have no trouble with it, neither does anyone else.

teal deer: AMERIFAT NEEDS TO STOP BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE ABOUT UTILITY ITEMS BEING BROUGHT TO SCHOOL WHETHER ACCIDENTALLY OR ON PURPOSE.

Heavens forbid...

I agree this almost completely, it will never happen, though.

[Yukonastan]

Anyhow, on topic.

If the dagger is dull and unsharpened I see no issues in him carrying it around.

I see no issue with it period, as long as it stays away. I wouldn't care whether it could be drawn or not, or whether it were sharp or not. However, if it gets flashed around, it's an issue.

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Regarding zero-tolerance policies for weapons, why do kids get padlocks for their lockers? Why do they get books weighing several pounds? Why do they get desks? A crafty person could garrote someone with the padlock, stab them with the book, and papercut them with the desk. (you know what i mean)

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My dad's my best friend.

I am living proof that your assertion, this assertion you just mentioned, is bullshit.

This is AFTER he raised you, is it not?

Imagine how you would have turned out if you got everything you want...

you'd be spoiled rotten and not have any appreciation for the sacrifices your father made for you and your family...

No, this was WHILE he was raising me and even nowadays.

He treated me both as a son and as a friend. It's not that difficult. He gave me enough leeway to look at him as someone I could approach as my best friend while keeping the respect I should have for him as a parent.

Sure, I got punished, but my father never treated me in a typical son-father manner. I'm not spoiled rotten either.

[Chestaan]

I really don't understand America with regards to weapons. People could probably buy an rpg launcher legally yet when something like a tiny harmless knife is brought onto school grounds or when a student puts his hand in the shape of a gun it causes uproar.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Anyhow, on topic.

If the dagger is dull and unsharpened I see no issues in him carrying it around.

I see no issue with it period, as long as it stays away. I wouldn't care whether it could be drawn or not, or whether it were sharp or not. However, if it gets flashed around, it's an issue.

--
Regarding zero-tolerance policies for weapons, why do kids get padlocks for their lockers? Why do they get books weighing several pounds? Why do they get desks? A crafty person could garrote someone with the padlock, stab them with the book, and papercut them with the desk. (you know what i mean)

Well, papercutting someone with the desk would be quite a feat in and of its own

But I agree, if it stays away I have no issues.

[Yukonastan]

I really don't understand America with regards to weapons. People could probably buy an rpg launcher legally yet when something like a tiny harmless knife is brought onto school grounds or when a student puts his hand in the shape of a gun it causes uproar.

In fact you can legally buy an RPG-7. They're rare as shit, and you need to live in a state where you can get a Form 4 DD stamp. Then get dummy warheads with live propellant charges and rockets, (or get live warheads with the DD stamp, and shell out $200 per shot), and you now have a legal RPG-7.
Edit: But I digress.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I really don't understand America with regards to weapons. People could probably buy an rpg launcher legally yet when something like a tiny harmless knife is brought onto school grounds or when a student puts his hand in the shape of a gun it causes uproar.

In fact you can legally buy an RPG-7. They're rare as shit, and you need to live in a state where you can get a Form 4 DD stamp. Then get dummy warheads with live propellant charges and rockets, (or get live warheads with the DD stamp, and shell out $200 per shot), and you now have a legal RPG-7.
Edit: But I digress.

Wait, where do you live that you can get a legal RPG-7?

[The Flood]

It's something school administrators need to decide on a case by case basis, considering all the details of how useful it would be as a weapon and exactly what the student is asking permission to do with it. Anyone who hasn't cleared it with the school in advance should not be allowed to bring one.

That's impossible as long as rules are "zero tolerance." The entire purpose of such rules is literally to remove any subjectivity and critical thought from the disciplinary process.

Zero tolerance policies in schools are almost always a bad thing.

[Yukonastan]

In fact you can legally buy an RPG-7. They're rare as shit, and you need to live in a state where you can get a Form 4 DD stamp. Then get dummy warheads with live propellant charges and rockets, (or get live warheads with the DD stamp, and shell out $200 per shot), and you now have a legal RPG-7.
Edit: But I digress.

Wait, where do you live that you can get a legal RPG-7?

Not me. I live in a country where Kalashnikov-shaped pop tarts are illegal, let alone reactive antitank launchers. I'm just saying that it's possible in certain states.

[The Flood]

People in this thread don't really seem to be grasping the reality of what an ornamental kirpan is like.

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Exactly man. It's about as dangerous as the Japanese katana key-chain I bought at Disney World. I'd be pretty pissed if they kicked me out of school over such a thing.

[Chestaan]

Wait, where do you live that you can get a legal RPG-7?

Not me. I live in a country where Kalashnikov-shaped pop tarts are illegal, let alone reactive antitank launchers. I'm just saying that it's possible in certain states.

I can't imagine there's much of a market for kalashnikov-shaped pop tarts

[The Flood]

Personally I wouldn't allow it, simply because the line between what is an actual religion and what is not is too vague.

No it isn't. The line is extremely clear.

Kool-Aid and white robes = not a religion
Hinduism = religion
Pastafarianism = not a religion
Islam = religion
Something a guy made up so he could bring a purple dildo to school = not a religion

It's not hard at all if you just use common sense, yeesh.