Prominent MRA group parodies charity for profit.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What has the MRA Done?
Brought light to issues men face in society and forced people to include it in their narrative of sexism. That's already a leap forward.

That's at best half true. Nobody except people inside your movement are including this in their narrative of sexism. If people do, it's because you'll have accomplished the former, instead of the latter. Speaking of which:

How about the fact that men are substantially more likely to be the victims of crime,

What, in general, or specific crimes? According to the DoJ, Males were most likely to be victims of drug- and gang-related homicides, but females were more likely to be victims of domestic homicides and sex-related homicides. But sure, that has nothing to do with a generation turned to poverty, gangs, and violence for complex socioeconomic reasons. It's because of the gynocracy or whatever! Men are killed more by strangers, and women more by acquaintances, but that can't have anything to do with weird power dynamics, can it?

He was probably referring to crime in general. And, a "generation" turned to those things? Did you even hear yourself? You do realize it isn't the first and most probably not the last generation to face those problems, nor are those complex socioeconomic reasons that new at all, and that violent crime has been on the downfall for a while now, don't you?

are treated less favorably in the justice system,

Women getting lighter sentences than men is still a sign of the patriarchy. It's condescending to women to give them lighter sentences for the same crimes. This isn't a men's issue.

That it is a sign of patriarchy does not make it any less of a MRA's or men's issue. Your logic is seriously fucked up.

and aren't taken seriously as victims of rape.

This one might actually be able to be taken seriously, if you have any statistics besides that episode of the Boondocks.

We look at sexism from the perspective of men oppressing women but the fact of the matter is the vast majority of men have little or no decision making power in terms of culture law or societal norms.

Thousands of African-Americans face discrimination every day, and it's not from Hispanics. Women can't walk down the street dressed casually without worrying about being hit on by thirty different guys, or far worse. LGBT people face literal campaigns of oppression which they are just now beginning to crawl out from underneath. The perpetrators? Well it ain't low-income Asian immigrants.

Yes, we know, it's every white, middle to upper class middle-to-old-aged male American's fault *nod nod*

[Twilight Imperium]

Yes, we know, it's every white, middle to upper class middle-to-old-aged male American *nod nod*

Not every, but dollars to doughnuts entirely. Way to ignore the last paragraph, too guys.

EDIT: I'm not a feminist, either. I'm on the side of those who think rationally, and the enemy of idiots who pick fights.

[Arcturus Novus]

What dickbags.

[Ostroeuropa]

What, in general, or specific crimes? According to the DoJ, Males were most likely to be victims of drug- and gang-related homicides, but females were more likely to be victims of domestic homicides and sex-related homicides. But sure, that has nothing to do with a generation turned to poverty, gangs, and violence for complex socioeconomic reasons. It's because of the gynocracy or whatever! Men are killed more by strangers, and women more by acquaintances, but that can't have anything to do with weird power dynamics, can it?



Women getting lighter sentences than men is still a sign of the patriarchy. It's condescending to women to give them lighter sentences for the same crimes. This isn't a men's issue.

No. Absolutely not. Getting more punitive sentences isn't a men's issue. It doesn't matter that men are the ones going for life over stupid things. It's a women's issue. Because they aren't. Yeah. I can totally see the logic in this thinking.

Men have no issues, they are all womens issues, and thus we don't need to spend any time considering their perspective on their problems, since they have none. We only need to consider womens issues.
No, this doesn't cause huge fucking problems when someone who thinks like me obtains authority, such as gearing an institution toward gynocentrism and systematic oppression of males from our pure blindness to our own bigotry.
Feminism 101

[Twilight Imperium]

Men have no issues and thus we don't need to spend any time considering their perspective on their problems.
No, this doesn't cause huge fucking problems when someone who thinks like me obtains authority, such as gearing an institution toward gynocentrism and systematic oppression of males.
Feminism 101

Men have very tiny issues which are totally on par with those of oppressed groups, and we must inject that into any and all discussions about those other issues.

No, that doesn't make us look like whiny children who should never obtain authority, and tend to fuck it up when we're given it.

MRA 101

[Twilight Imperium]

MRA Syndrome:

A malady affecting a significant portion of the world's population wherein the afflicted will demand special treatment, conduct themselves with a ludicrous, unfounded sense of entitlement, and generally make the lives of everyone around them that much more miserable.

The danger of this disease is that the sufferers rarely, if ever, know that they have contracted it, and continue about their merry way under the assumption that EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

This condition, if left untreated, can radically alter the carrier's demeanor, to include any of the following: a complete devolution to child-like behavior, temper tantrums, and/or fits of narcissistic rage.

[Ostroeuropa]

Men have no issues and thus we don't need to spend any time considering their perspective on their problems.
No, this doesn't cause huge fucking problems when someone who thinks like me obtains authority, such as gearing an institution toward gynocentrism and systematic oppression of males.
Feminism 101

Men have very tiny issues which are totally on par with those of oppressed groups, and we must inject that into any and all discussions about those other issues.

No, that doesn't make us look like whiny children who should never obtain authority, and tend to fuck it up when we're given it.

MRA 101

So you basically just restate your bigotry and prejudice and act as though it's an argument.
By what standard do you claim men have tiny issues in comparison to women. Try not to use a circular argument.

It isn't that mate. It's that you only give a shit about womens problems. You have a lack of empathy for males, and justify this through the ideological lens of feminism.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Men have no issues and thus we don't need to spend any time considering their perspective on their problems.
No, this doesn't cause huge fucking problems when someone who thinks like me obtains authority, such as gearing an institution toward gynocentrism and systematic oppression of males.
Feminism 101

Men have very tiny issues which are totally on par with those of oppressed groups, and we must inject that into any and all discussions about those other issues.

No, that doesn't make us look like whiny children who should never obtain authority, and tend to fuck it up when we're given it.

MRA 101

[Soldati Senza Confini]

MRA Syndrome:

A malady affecting a significant portion of the world's population wherein the afflicted will demand special treatment, conduct themselves with a ludicrous, unfounded sense of entitlement, and generally make the lives of everyone around them that much more miserable.

The danger of this disease is that the sufferers rarely, if ever, know that they have contracted it, and continue about their merry way under the assumption that EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

This condition, if left untreated, can radically alter the carrier's demeanor, to include any of the following: a complete devolution to child-like behavior, temper tantrums, and/or fits of narcissistic rage.

That's not just imperative of MRAs though.

We usually call those self-entitled pricks, instead of MRAs.

[Des-Bal]

What, in general, or specific crimes? According to the DoJ, Males were most likely to be victims of drug- and gang-related homicides, but females were more likely to be victims of domestic homicides and sex-related homicides. But sure, that has nothing to do with a generation turned to poverty, gangs, and violence for complex socioeconomic reasons. It's because of the gynocracy or whatever! Men are killed more by strangers, and women more by acquaintances, but that can't have anything to do with weird power dynamics, can it?

are treated less favorably in the justice system,

Women getting lighter sentences than men is still a sign of the patriarchy. It's condescending to women to give them lighter sentences for the same crimes. This isn't a men's issue.

and aren't taken seriously as victims of rape.

This one might actually be able to be taken seriously, if you have any statistics besides that episode of the Boondocks.



Thousands of African-Americans face discrimination every day, and it's not from Hispanics. Women can't walk down the street dressed casually without worrying about being hit on by thirty different guys, or far worse. LGBT people face literal campaigns of oppression which they are just now beginning to crawl out from underneath. The perpetrators? Well it ain't low-income Asian immigrants.

Just about all of them. There are very few crimes where women are more likely to be victimized than men. Why is not the issue, the issue is that men do in fact face problems in society and addressing them from the perspective that they're just women's problems is asinine.

That thing I just said but this time I'm rolling my eyes.

Male rape victims being forced to pay their attackers, forced to penetrate being excluded from rape statistics, the entire culture of acceptance surrounding prison rape and then I kept listing things.


And when your response is "fuck whitey" nothing gets done. When you address a disparity from the perspective that this race or this sex is a problem you are a racist or sexist depending on which you chose. If you're politicking it makes sense, you want a concrete enemy you can define in simple terms but if your trying to create an accurate picture there's no room for that shit.

[Twilight Imperium]

So you basically just restate your bigotry and prejudice and act as though it's an argument.
By what standard do you claim men have tiny issues in comparison to women. Try not to use a circular argument.

It isn't that mate. It's that you only give a shit about womens problems. You have a lack of empathy for males, and justify this through the ideological lens of feminism.

I have a lack of empathy for people who can walk down the street without fear of rape, and claim they are as oppressed as women.
I have a lack of empathy for people who can marry as they will, and claim they are as oppressed as gays.
I have a lack of empathy for people whose race has never been a conscious factor, and claim they are as oppressed as minorities.

If that's feminism, fucking sign me up.

[Kelinfort]

No. Absolutely not. Getting more punitive sentences isn't a men's issue. It doesn't matter that men are the ones going for life over stupid things. It's a women's issue. Because they aren't. Yeah. I can totally see the logic in this thinking.

Men have no issues, they are all womens issues, and thus we don't need to spend any time considering their perspective on their problems, since they have none. We only need to consider womens issues.
No, this doesn't cause huge fucking problems when someone who thinks like me obtains authority, such as gearing an institution toward gynocentrism and systematic oppression of males from our pure blindness to our own bigotry.
Feminism 101

I already acknowledged that there is a lot of sexism towards men. But apparently, men and women always face equal sexism. Everywhere and in everything.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. Men face more sexism in criminal justice, family law, domestic violence enforcement, and selective service. Women face more sexism in the workplace, in society at large, online, and in the third world.

To say that the majority of feminists don't acknowledge male issues is incorrect. It takes time to actually solve these issues. Like MRA's do with men, however, feminists seem to focus more on women's issues. I try to centre the discussion.

[Ostroeuropa]

MRA Syndrome:

A malady affecting a significant portion of the world's population wherein the afflicted will demand special treatment, conduct themselves with a ludicrous, unfounded sense of entitlement, and generally make the lives of everyone around them that much more miserable.

The danger of this disease is that the sufferers rarely, if ever, know that they have contracted it, and continue about their merry way under the assumption that EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

This condition, if left untreated, can radically alter the carrier's demeanor, to include any of the following: a complete devolution to child-like behavior, temper tantrums, and/or fits of narcissistic rage.

Cool hatchet job. Is that all you people are good for?
Being sexist and unpleasant?
No wonder people dislike feminists.

[Twilight Imperium]

That's not just imperative of MRAs though.

We usually call those self-entitled pricks, instead of MRAs.

Read Ostroeuropa's signature.

Cool hatchet job. Is that all you people are good for?
Being sexist and unpleasant?
No wonder people dislike feminists.

I'll stop quoting that when it stops being hilarious.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Men have no issues and thus we don't need to spend any time considering their perspective on their problems.
No, this doesn't cause huge fucking problems when someone who thinks like me obtains authority, such as gearing an institution toward gynocentrism and systematic oppression of males.
Feminism 101

Men have very tiny issues which are totally on par with those of oppressed groups, and we must inject that into any and all discussions about those other issues.

No, that doesn't make us look like whiny children who should never obtain authority, and tend to fuck it up when we're given it.

MRA 101

You know, I always find this perspective somewhat puzzling.

Feminism is very often provided as the blanket group/organization/movement for men who feel like confronting societal issues of sexism, including issues like custody provisions, the improper definition of rape and the prejudice against female-on-male rape victims, the societal and even academic large-scale ignoring of domestic violence against males, and a myriad of other issues.
Then, when such are brought up to go alongside feminist causes, they are shouted down as distractions, artificial injections by men only interested in 'mens issues' and therefore misogynists, and labeled as assholes who just don't support womens' rights.

[Central Slavia]

MRA Syndrome:

A malady affecting a significant portion of the world's population wherein the afflicted will demand special treatment, conduct themselves with a ludicrous, unfounded sense of entitlement, and generally make the lives of everyone around them that much more miserable.

The danger of this disease is that the sufferers rarely, if ever, know that they have contracted it, and continue about their merry way under the assumption that EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

This condition, if left untreated, can radically alter the carrier's demeanor, to include any of the following: a complete devolution to child-like behavior, temper tantrums, and/or fits of narcissistic rage.

Sounds like a mutation of the feminist syndrome, if you ask me.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Men have no issues, they are all womens issues, and thus we don't need to spend any time considering their perspective on their problems, since they have none. We only need to consider womens issues.
No, this doesn't cause huge fucking problems when someone who thinks like me obtains authority, such as gearing an institution toward gynocentrism and systematic oppression of males from our pure blindness to our own bigotry.
Feminism 101

I already acknowledged that there is a lot of sexism towards men. But apparently, men and women always face equal sexism. Everywhere and in everything.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. Men face more sexism in criminal justice, family law, domestic violence enforcement, and selective service. Women face more sexism in the workplace, in society at large, online, and in the third world.

To say that the majority of feminists don't acknowledge male issues is incorrect. It takes time to actually solve these issues. Like MRA's do with men, however, feminists seem to focus more on women's issues. I try to centre the discussion.

What third world are we talking about?

[Arcturus Novus]

MRA Syndrome:

A malady affecting a significant portion of the world's population wherein the afflicted will demand special treatment, conduct themselves with a ludicrous, unfounded sense of entitlement, and generally make the lives of everyone around them that much more miserable.

The danger of this disease is that the sufferers rarely, if ever, know that they have contracted it, and continue about their merry way under the assumption that EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

This condition, if left untreated, can radically alter the carrier's demeanor, to include any of the following: a complete devolution to child-like behavior, temper tantrums, and/or fits of narcissistic rage.

Cool hatchet job. Is that all you people are good for?
Being sexist and unpleasant?
No wonder people dislike feminists.

Ah, yes. Feminists are so awful, wishing for gender equality and women's rights. Fuck them.

[Kelinfort]

MRA Syndrome:

A malady affecting a significant portion of the world's population wherein the afflicted will demand special treatment, conduct themselves with a ludicrous, unfounded sense of entitlement, and generally make the lives of everyone around them that much more miserable.

The danger of this disease is that the sufferers rarely, if ever, know that they have contracted it, and continue about their merry way under the assumption that EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

This condition, if left untreated, can radically alter the carrier's demeanor, to include any of the following: a complete devolution to child-like behavior, temper tantrums, and/or fits of narcissistic rage.

Cool hatchet job. Is that all you people are good for?
Being sexist and unpleasant?
No wonder people dislike feminists.

Stop borderline baiting, both of you.

Twilight, there are MRA's who recognise feminism and are pro feminism, while also adding their own discussion into the dialogue by including men's rights issues of criminal justice and family law.

Ostro, I know you're annoyed, but don't bite.

[New England and The Maritimes]

MRA Syndrome:

A malady affecting a significant portion of the world's population wherein the afflicted will demand special treatment, conduct themselves with a ludicrous, unfounded sense of entitlement, and generally make the lives of everyone around them that much more miserable.

The danger of this disease is that the sufferers rarely, if ever, know that they have contracted it, and continue about their merry way under the assumption that EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

This condition, if left untreated, can radically alter the carrier's demeanor, to include any of the following: a complete devolution to child-like behavior, temper tantrums, and/or fits of narcissistic rage.

Sounds like a mutation of the feminist syndrome, if you ask me.

A system run and organized and controlled and owned by men can't be against them. Jesus christ you sound exactly like capitalists proclaiming every hardship faced by the rich is because the world is set up to hurt them.

[Kelinfort]

I already acknowledged that there is a lot of sexism towards men. But apparently, men and women always face equal sexism. Everywhere and in everything.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. Men face more sexism in criminal justice, family law, domestic violence enforcement, and selective service. Women face more sexism in the workplace, in society at large, online, and in the third world.

To say that the majority of feminists don't acknowledge male issues is incorrect. It takes time to actually solve these issues. Like MRA's do with men, however, feminists seem to focus more on women's issues. I try to centre the discussion.

What third world are we talking about?

I was using the Cold War era term for nonaligned countries, usually in the Mideast and Southeastern Asia, along with Africa.

[Twilight Imperium]

Twilight, there are MRA's who recognise feminism and are pro feminism, while also adding their own discussion into the dialogue by including men's rights issues of criminal justice and family law.

Ostro, I know you're annoyed, but don't bite.

Sure. But calling yourself a moderate MRA these days is like saying you're one of the nice Black Panthers. It's not going to conjure nice images in the other person's head.

[Central Slavia]

So you basically just restate your bigotry and prejudice and act as though it's an argument.
By what standard do you claim men have tiny issues in comparison to women. Try not to use a circular argument.

It isn't that mate. It's that you only give a shit about womens problems. You have a lack of empathy for males, and justify this through the ideological lens of feminism.

I have a lack of empathy for people who can walk down the street without fear of rape, and claim they are as oppressed as women.
I have a lack of empathy for people who can marry as they will, and claim they are as oppressed as gays.
I have a lack of empathy for people whose race has never been a conscious factor, and claim they are as oppressed as minorities.

If that's feminism, fucking sign me up.

Asides from blowing stuff out of proportion, I have only ever heard one group trying to make gay issues about themselves, and that are feminists.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you basically just restate your bigotry and prejudice and act as though it's an argument.
By what standard do you claim men have tiny issues in comparison to women. Try not to use a circular argument.

It isn't that mate. It's that you only give a shit about womens problems. You have a lack of empathy for males, and justify this through the ideological lens of feminism.

I have a lack of empathy for people who can walk down the street without fear of rape, and claim they are as oppressed as women.
I have a lack of empathy for people who can marry as they will, and claim they are as oppressed as gays.
I have a lack of empathy for people whose race has never been a conscious factor, and claim they are as oppressed as minorities.

If that's feminism, fucking sign me up.

So you list some problems women have and then act as though this is you winning the argument. Those problems aren't more serious or bigger than some of the problems facing males.
What about the fact that prison rape of males is considered comedic and males rape victims routinely have to put up people telling them they are lucky for being raped and should shutt the fuck up and not be a real man?
What about the fact that men have to put up with a society that raises women to walk down the street FEARING them?
(You have no empathy for blacks, they don't walk down the street fearing getting mugged or anything. Never mind that they actually do. And yes, some males do fear being raped in public.)

What about people who have to sign up for selective service? That's another bureaucratic oppression like marriage bans.

What about prison incarceration rates? That's mirrored in racism and sexism against males too.

But no, just ignore those problems and pretend they dont exist, and then you can keep saying
only women have serious problems.

Well, at least women don't have to put up with fucking bigots derailing gender equality for them in the gender equality movement itself.
(Well, they do. Feminists wont deliver gender equality. Only womens rights. This robs women of equal treatment to men.)

[New England and The Maritimes]

Twilight, there are MRA's who recognise feminism and are pro feminism, while also adding their own discussion into the dialogue by including men's rights issues of criminal justice and family law.

Ostro, I know you're annoyed, but don't bite.

Sure. But calling yourself a moderate MRA these days is like saying you're one of the nice Black Panthers. It's not going to conjure nice images in the other person's head.

Don't debase the black panthers. There are no MRA community outreach programs. Just a bunch of whiny little kids on the internet screaming about "misandry" and other made up words to describe scenarios that do not exist.