Statistics Don't Support Rape Culture

[Haktiva]

so take some steps to protect yourself. you're not powerless.

Like what, never showing skin above the knee as some here have suggested?

P.S. Have you ever known a woman who was sexually assaulted?

learn some martial arts, carry some pepper spray, watch your drink, get that nail polish that changes color when you did it in a drink and it detects a date rape drug, don't party to the point you can't function, carry a lethal weapon or baton and know how to use it, travel in groups of people you trust, use common sense.

Yes I have, actually. I'm sad to say I lost contact with her, but I think she learned to not get too messed up at parties, at least that's what I hope has happened.

[Marcurix]

You want to be careful not to oversimplify this, as advanced waring.

Also the link in the article that claims "Statistics surrounding sexual assault are notoriously unreliable" doesn't work.

Also to this bit:



I would indeed consider those things sexual assault.

Also, this article seems to focus upon the inadequacy of the sexual assault tribunals at universities, rather than disproving rape culture.

I like how easy "sexual assault" is thrown about, what exactly is sexual about being kissed? Do spontaneous hugs count as sexual assault as well?

Don't put sexual assault in quotation marks like that, kind of gives the impression you're trivializing it. Second, if you've ever kissed your girlfriend/boyfriend/significant other beyond the standard peck you should know full well how sexual a kiss can be.

And yes, spontaneous hugs and indeed any unwanted touching, depending on where the hands go, can be sexual in nature.

Well men can certainly be raped by other men(look at prison). The stigma is that women can't rape a man. Though of course, looking into that same FBI thing, I did find this;

Rape (except Statutory Rape)
The carnal knowledge of a person, without the consent of the victim, including instances where the victim is incapable of giving consent because of his/her age or because of his/her temporary or permanent mental or physical incapacity

So that pretty much disproves your original point that a woman cannot legally rape a man.

[United States of The One Percent]

I think she learned to not get too messed up at parties, at least that's what I hope has happened.

That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it now.

[Gauthier]

I think she learned to not get too messed up at parties, at least that's what I hope has happened.

That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it now.

If she doesn't test every drink for roofies then she clearly asked for it. *nod nod*

[Anglo-California]

I stared at a girl's tits. I have committed a rape culture.

[The Romulan Republic]

I don't agree with the rape culture thing. Yes, rape is very, very bad but it seems to have reached a point where just about anything constitutes sexual harassment (including bad chat-up lines) and drunk sex equals rape.
How exactly am I going to prove consent if I get sued?

Sex with a drunk person can be rape. If someone is too intoxicated to make informed and rational decisions, you can't say they truly consented.

Although it would seem strange to call it rape in certain situations if all parties involved were too intoxicated to consent. Did everyone commit rape? Or were they just out of their minds with nobody at a disadvantage?

Keep in mind that I am not a lawyer so this is just my point of view, not necessarily the law (which may vary from place to place).

[Marcurix]

I stared at a girl's tits. I have committed a rape culture.

You do not understand rape culture.

Though it is rude to stare.

[Anglo-California]

I stared at a girl's tits. I have committed a rape culture.

You do not understand rape culture.

Though it is rude to stare.

I was being facetious.

[Susurruses]

What are races? It's not like she's going to marry a different species

Or him. Nevertheless, this isn't something that is up for debate in here. I'm segregationist and that's that. To steer back on topic, I think rape culture definitely exists. However, in holding onto traditionalist ideas such as not believing that women in general are a strong as men on average; one doesn't have to necessarily partake in any victim blaming.

Races are not even a thing.
(Racism is a thing, because people treat races as being a thing and have historically done so.)
Scientifically, as far as genetics, race is non-existent.
Certainly can't tell genotype by appearance...
Going to demand DNA tests if you encounter someone you like?
Or if any offspring do?

Back on topic, 'rape culture' is a thing though, so it's good you at least acknowledge that.
& the issue with victim-blaming is that instead of targeting why people rape, people more often target what the victim/s "should have done".
Which... like, regardless of what someone chooses to do, the risk cannot be entirely negated without extreme measures which severely limit the ability to live life.
It's never a victim's fault, & questioning someone as to what they were doing "to provoke/invite" it (which is what those lines of questioning & the suggestions of things people already know and do are) is just disrespectful and ignorant.

& you're right that identifying risk factors is not in itself victim-blaming, but if those are the only things people focus on or the first thing people leap to when someone is raped, that is the problem.
Which.. is what tends to happen, and thus why there's a heavy backlash against anything perceived as such.
Targeting the sociocultural norms that lead to sexual violence and domestic violence (instead of telling [potential] victims what they should & shouldn't do or should & shouldn't wear) is what such people generally want.
Obviously measures should be put in place to protect people and limit risks, but without simultaneously striking at the root... it's not going to solve the problem/s.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I stared at a girl's tits. I have committed a rape culture.

Your girlfriend's doesn't count.

[Seangoli]

Feminism is more complicated and more simple than that.

Simply, feminism is about making sure that women don't get screwed over.

Yes, there are some professional feminists, and some of those professional feminists have a business model of professional victims. Some feminists seem more interested in propagating and sustaining their movement and funding engine than in actually getting things done. But overall, once you sort past the bad actors, scam artists, and occasional raging hate-filled maniac, the movement has a clear mission of trying to make sure that no woman ever gets screwed over for any reason.

The problem, of course, is that sometimes, trying to make sure all women are protected from everything has collateral effects that aren't very nice or fair.

Oh yeah, "professional victims" ; people just love being threatened with rape and murder, don't they?
Were they 'asking for it' ?
Did they provoke it?
What were they wearing or doing before those threats happened?
Oh yeah, they dared to say a word about sexism whilst being a woman.
Naff off.

You do realise statistics regarding false rape reports are available and indicate that the rate of false reporting is far lower than just about any other crime, right?
If I remember rightly, it's between 1% & 3%.
But of course that doesn't prop up your ideological stance that women are just out to malign those poor men with accusations of rape.

Never mind that a fair portion of rapes go unreported, oh no; the real tragedy is a tiny minority of assholes that are in fact not statistically relevant to discussions like this.

Not that I actually agree with the guy you are replying in the least, but one thing:

Pretty much every statistic you pull up on the rate of false accusation is complete and utter crap. This includes both the extremely high numbers some report (which are based on shoddy as hell defintions of false acccusations) and the low numbers (Due to it being practically impossible to prove a false accusation even if it occurred). Pretty much any statistic you can find is pretty much worthless. I highly doubt it's a high number, as it does put significant risk on an individual who make said claim if found out. Most people are not that idiotic or assholish to even try. Some are, obviously. Still, the point is that practically all statistics on the matter are utterly meaningless, as it's impossible to find an accurate cross section.

[Arglorand]

You do not understand rape culture.

Though it is rude to stare.

I was being facetious.

And inappropriately so, aye.

[Vassenor]

It should be noted that in the UK at least, men do commit all rapes.

This isn't me being sexist or anything; the way the law regarding rape is written at the moment specifically requires penetration by penis. If that doesn't happen it's sexual assault instead.

[Galloism]

It should be noted that in the UK at least, men do commit all rapes.

This isn't me being sexist or anything; the way the law regarding rape is written at the moment specifically requires penetration by penis. If that doesn't happen it's sexual assault instead.

Which means that legal structure is immensely de jure sexist.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Feminism is more complicated and more simple than that.

Simply, feminism is about making sure that women don't get screwed over.

Yes, there are some professional feminists, and some of those professional feminists have a business model of professional victims. Some feminists seem more interested in propagating and sustaining their movement and funding engine than in actually getting things done. But overall, once you sort past the bad actors, scam artists, and occasional raging hate-filled maniac, the movement has a clear mission of trying to make sure that no woman ever gets screwed over for any reason.

The problem, of course, is that sometimes, trying to make sure all women are protected from everything has collateral effects that aren't very nice or fair.

Oh yeah, "professional victims" ; people just love being threatened with rape and murder, don't they?
Were they 'asking for it' ?
Did they provoke it?
What were they wearing or doing before those threats happened?
Oh yeah, they dared to say a word about sexism whilst being a woman.
Naff off.

You do realise statistics regarding false rape reports are available and indicate that the rate of false reporting is far lower than just about any other crime, right?
If I remember rightly, it's between 1% & 3%.
But of course that doesn't prop up your ideological stance that women are just out to malign those poor men with accusations of rape.

Never mind that a fair portion of rapes go unreported, oh no; the real tragedy is a tiny minority of assholes that are in fact not statistically relevant to discussions like this.

IIRC it was something like 8% as reported by the FBI for the US, but I'll have to check back on that.

[Haktiva]

That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it now.

If she doesn't test every drink for roofies then she clearly asked for it. *nod nod*

it's up to herself first and foremost to keep herself safe.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If she doesn't test every drink for roofies then she clearly asked for it. *nod nod*

it's up to herself first and foremost to keep herself safe.

It's up to her to keep herself safe, but you're missing a vital component.

It's up to us men to not be pricks.

[Seangoli]

Oh yeah, "professional victims" ; people just love being threatened with rape and murder, don't they?
Were they 'asking for it' ?
Did they provoke it?
What were they wearing or doing before those threats happened?
Oh yeah, they dared to say a word about sexism whilst being a woman.
Naff off.

You do realise statistics regarding false rape reports are available and indicate that the rate of false reporting is far lower than just about any other crime, right?
If I remember rightly, it's between 1% & 3%.
But of course that doesn't prop up your ideological stance that women are just out to malign those poor men with accusations of rape.

Never mind that a fair portion of rapes go unreported, oh no; the real tragedy is a tiny minority of assholes that are in fact not statistically relevant to discussions like this.

IIRC it was something like 8% as reported by the FBI for the US, but I'll have to check back on that.

The FBI report lists 10% as being "unfounded", which is not the same as being a false accusation. It's a bit confusing wording, really, as it makes it appear as though it means the same thing.

[Sebastianbourg]

I don't agree with the rape culture thing. Yes, rape is very, very bad but it seems to have reached a point where just about anything constitutes sexual harassment (including bad chat-up lines) and drunk sex equals rape.
How exactly am I going to prove consent if I get sued?

Sex with a drunk person can be rape. If someone is too intoxicated to make informed and rational decisions, you can't say they truly consented.

Although it would seem strange to call it rape in certain situations if all parties involved were too intoxicated to consent. Did everyone commit rape? Or were they just out of their minds with nobody at a disadvantage?

Keep in mind that I am not a lawyer so this is just my point of view, not necessarily the law (which may vary from place to place).

If you've gone binge drinking and you've fallen unconscious then it is rape but if you've had a couple of drinks you can give consent.

[Sebastianbourg]

It should be noted that in the UK at least, men do commit all rapes.

This isn't me being sexist or anything; the way the law regarding rape is written at the moment specifically requires penetration by penis. If that doesn't happen it's sexual assault instead.

I just love my country! God Save the Queen!

[Socialist Tera]

I don't think a majority of the people in this thread actually know what the rape culture actually is.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

IIRC it was something like 8% as reported by the FBI for the US, but I'll have to check back on that.

The FBI report lists 10% as being "unfounded", which is not the same as being a false accusation. It's a bit confusing wording, really, as it makes it appear as though it means the same thing.

I assume that false would imply the woman knew she was not raped full stop or at least that she was not raped by the one she is accusing, correct?

How do unfounded rape allegations stack up against unfounded accusations of other crimes?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I don't think a majority of the people in this thread actually know what the rape culture actually is.

..but you do

Enlighten us plebs.

[The Serbian Empire]

I don't think a majority of the people in this thread actually know what the rape culture actually is.

That's because Communists created Rape Culture as a weapon to push their socialist agenda, or so the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have told me.

[Socialist Tera]

I don't think a majority of the people in this thread actually know what the rape culture actually is.

..but you do

Enlighten us plebs.

I could write an essay on it but I link you a few sources:
http://www.wavaw.ca/what-is-rape-culture/
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/03/exa ... e-culture/