Statistics Don't Support Rape Culture

[Frisbeeteria]

So I came across this article while dicking around online.

The way I see it, it makes a lot of sense and strikes me as very honest. My biggest problem with the "rape culture" hysteria is that it's brought about rape shield laws that don't allow the accused to face the accuser, which wouldn't fly for any other crime in a court of law with due process.

There's also the issue that comes with how exactly activists groups go about this. Sexual assault is pretty bad, but honestly I find it infantilizing of women in that the ones who champion rape culture are usually putting all the responsibility on men. Hell, they weren't happy about the nail polish that that can detect date rape drugs in a woman's drink.

I have to wonder if some groups ever want to really end sexual assault, as I imagine they get a good bit of funding and support. It's the same reason why food evangelists like the CSPI won't go away and why ant-smoking groups go after vaporizers like they do cigarettes. There's too much money involved as far as I can tell.

So what say you, NSG?

[Sebastianbourg]

I don't agree with the rape culture thing. Yes, rape is very, very bad but it seems to have reached a point where just about anything constitutes sexual harassment (including bad chat-up lines) and drunk sex equals rape.
How exactly am I going to prove consent if I get sued?

[Our Governator]

What do you mean laying all the blame on men? Victims aren't responsible for rape.

[Pandeeria]

What do you mean laying all the blame on men? Victims aren't responsible for rape.

Men can be the victim of rape too.

[Our Governator]

What do you mean laying all the blame on men? Victims aren't responsible for rape.

Men can be the victim of rape too.

I never said that they couldn't.

[Settrah]

What do you mean laying all the blame on men? Victims aren't responsible for rape.

IMO a lot of sex positive feminists are a sizable influence, towards impressionable young girls (many who don't have emotional maturity yet) putting up with (and seeking) degrading masochistic sexual situations in the first place.

Rapists of course are scum that need justice, but the patriarchy of 'men' aren't the sole influence of rape culture.

Just my views though.

[Haktiva]

What do you mean laying all the blame on men? Victims aren't responsible for rape.

laying blame and responsibility. "Teach men not to rape" is terribly misandric since most know not to do that anyways and are taught to respect women. They're also saying that men need to be responsible for women they don't even know. Like they all need to police everyone and forgo their own safety so that a woman doesn't make a stupid choice.

Plus what happens a lot is that a girl will cheat of her boyfriend or whatever and then she'll cry rape if she's worried about getting caught. Her word against his when it comes to rape shield laws means the guy's most likely gonna get screwed. Besides, men can't be legally raped by a woman, they can just be made to penetrate(and they're supposed to like it).

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

What do you mean laying all the blame on men? Victims aren't responsible for rape.

IMO a lot of sex positive feminists are a sizable influence, towards impressionable young girls (many who don't have emotional maturity yet) putting up with (and seeking) degrading masochistic sexual situations in the first place.

Rapists of course are scum that need justice, but the patriarchy of 'men' aren't the sole influence of rape culture.

Just my views though.

Last I checked not all feminist are sex positive, some of them are really fucking puritan.

[Haktiva]

IMO a lot of sex positive feminists are a sizable influence, towards impressionable young girls (many who don't have emotional maturity yet) putting up with (and seeking) degrading masochistic sexual situations in the first place.

Rapists of course are scum that need justice, but the patriarchy of 'men' aren't the sole influence of rape culture.

Just my views though.

Last I checked not all feminist are sex positive, some of them are really fucking puritan.

when it comes to heterosexual sex anyways. there's a reason we're seeing a rise in the Women Against Feminism stuff. it's no longer popular to call yourself a feminist. It scares men away. I honestly like feminism. It provides for good entertainment.

[Marcurix]

You want to be careful not to oversimplify this, as advanced waring.

Also the link in the article that claims "Statistics surrounding sexual assault are notoriously unreliable" doesn't work.

Also to this bit:

But is it accurate? Statistics surrounding sexual assault are notoriously unreliable and inconsistent, primarily because of vague and expansive definitions of what qualifies as sexual assault. Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute explains that the study often cited as the origin of the "one in five" factoid is an online survey conducted under a grant from the Justice Department. Surveyors employed such a broad definition that "'forced kissing" and even "attempted forced kissing" qualified as sexual assault.

I would indeed consider those things sexual assault.

Also, this article seems to focus upon the inadequacy of the sexual assault tribunals at universities, rather than disproving rape culture.

[Spoder]

There's a lot of negative connotation that goes with feminism, because most people don't actually know what the fuck it is.

That said, a lot needs to be changed about rape culture.

There needs to be way less tolerance, and far harsher punishments.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Last I checked not all feminist are sex positive, some of them are really fucking puritan.

when it comes to heterosexual sex anyways. there's a reason we're seeing a rise in the Women Against Feminism stuff. it's no longer popular to call yourself a feminist. It scares men away. I honestly like feminism. It provides for good entertainment.

The issue for me is that a lot of modern feminist are seemingly well...

Tumblrettes.

The bad thing is that you cannot really get a statistic, all of these things as of now are based on personal experience, and well.

If feminist want to better their name they need to push for some survey or whatever.

[The Arctic Kingdom]

This thread is going to be a blast

[Haktiva]

There's a lot of negative connotation that goes with feminism, because most people don't actually know what the fuck it is.

That said, a lot needs to be changed about rape culture.

There needs to be way less tolerance, and far harsher punishments.

for who? false accusers? perps usually get sent to prison and anally raped themselves(that's a real rape culture) unless they're well connected(like football stars or some government jackass's son)

[Yalos]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

[Haktiva]

This thread is going ti be a blast

that's why I started it. got a few buzzwords in the title.

[Haktiva]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

we should also teach women to not dress like sluts by that logic.

[Marcurix]

. Besides, men can't be legally raped by a woman, they can just be made to penetrate(and they're supposed to like it).

Bullshit.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

Why?

And why not teach women that too? Lesbians exist thank you.

We already as a society condemn rape, a responsible parent already teaches their child not to commit rape, as well as murder and theft.

Hell, some kids apparently already know this shit.

[Yalos]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

we should also teach women to not dress like sluts by that logic.

Indeed. I'd much rather prefer if the short shorts, revealing shirts and skimpy outfits were replaced with cardigan sweaters and monogram blouses.

[T Roosevelt]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

we should also teach women to not dress like sluts by that logic.

I would really like to see dresses take a more casual return, I don't see women usually wearing them unless for special occasions now.

[Haktiva]

. Besides, men can't be legally raped by a woman, they can just be made to penetrate(and they're supposed to like it).

Bullshit.

Not according to the CDC

The specific types of sexual violence assessed included rape (completed or attempted forced penetration or alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration) and sexual violence other than rape, including being made to penetrate a perpetrator, sexual coercion (nonphysically pressured unwanted penetration), unwanted sexual contact (e.g., kissing or fondling), and noncontact unwanted sexual experiences (e.g., being flashed or forced to view sexually explicit media).

[T Roosevelt]

we should also teach women to not dress like sluts by that logic.

Indeed. I'd much rather prefer if the short shorts, revealing shirts and skimpy outfits were replaced with cardigan sweaters and monogram blouses.

That would be a dream, we can make it happen.

[Haktiva]

we should also teach women to not dress like sluts by that logic.

I would really like to see dresses take a more casual return, I don't see women usually wearing them unless for special occasions now.

I actually really prefer that myself. I hate to say it, but when women have their goods out on full display, it pretty much saturates the sexual market. plus when men have access to porn for free whenever they want it for the most part, most women can't compete with that. I think they dress like that more for attention(unless maybe it's a gaming or comic convention, because guys kinds dress like that too), in that they feel sexy, but aren't looking for a date or a lay. It probably ends up desensitizing a lot of men too.

[Our Governator]

I think women dress the way they dress to please themselves. If they wanted to impress dudes, they wouldn't wear clothes.