British 2015 general election poll

[Stormaen]

That same logic could be used to rule out everyone but the Conservatives and Labour, as only those two parties – under the current system – will ever form a majority government or leading partner in a coalition.

That said, I'm happy to see a debate between only those with a realistic chance of becoming PM, i.e. Cameron vs Miliband.

That leans the whole debate system towards the presidential debates of the US. Fuck that. We're British not Americans. We're not voting for PM, we're voting for policies.

Agreed. Though I like the idea they're currently going for: multi-party debates with a final prospective-PM bs prospective-PM debate.

[Olivaero]

That still makes the Greens more qualified than the regional parties to attend.

The Greens are regional parties.

regional parties all of the same cause, which is pretty much the ethos of their movement. they would definetly sit together if they had more electoral success.

They may all sit in Westminster but they will never form a government as anything other than a coalition their and more importantly never have any ambition too. At least UKIP and the Greens contest seats across the UK, the DUP, Plaid Cymru and SNP don't.

That same logic could be used to rule out everyone but the Conservatives and Labour, as only those two parties – under the current system – will ever form a majority government or leading partner in a coalition.

That said, I'm happy to see a debate between only those with a realistic chance of becoming PM, i.e. Cameron vs Miliband.

note I said more importantly they never have any ambition too, the greens, lib dems and UKIP all make policy for a national level, the SNP, Plaid and northern Irish parties are focused solely on their regions

[Frazers]

regional parties all of the same cause, which is pretty much the ethos of their movement. they would definetly sit together if they had more electoral success.

Ah so they're all in favour of the breakup of the UK. Goody.

[Olivaero]

regional parties all of the same cause, which is pretty much the ethos of their movement. they would definetly sit together if they had more electoral success.

Ah so they're all in favour of the breakup of the UK. Goody.

They respect direct democracy, The Northern Irish party is neutral on the whole secession question. They're not pro break up on the UK or against it particularly.

[Frazers]

Ah so they're all in favour of the breakup of the UK. Goody.

They respect direct democracy, The Northern Irish party is neutral on the whole secession question. They're not pro break up on the UK or against it particularly.

But they all share the same cause, right? They'll all be pro-Scottish independence then. Grand.

[Olivaero]

They respect direct democracy, The Northern Irish party is neutral on the whole secession question. They're not pro break up on the UK or against it particularly.

But they all share the same cause, right? They'll all be pro-Scottish independence then. Grand.

They are pro democracy. They respect results of referenda.

[Frazers]

But they all share the same cause, right? They'll all be pro-Scottish independence then. Grand.

They are pro democracy. They respect results of referenda.

No they directly campaigned for Scottish independence......the Scottish Greens that is. They weren't a neutral bystander.

[Olivaero]

They are pro democracy. They respect results of referenda.

No they directly campaigned for Scottish independence......the Scottish Greens that is. They weren't a neutral bystander.

Yes, I know but now the referendum has occured it is one of the core tenants of the green movement that they have to accept it. it's cocvered under the principle of "Radical Democracy: Politics is too often conducted in a polarised, confrontational atmosphere and in a situation remote from those that it affects. We must develop decentralised, participative systems that encourage individuals to control the decisions that affect their own lives." (albeit thats a quote from wikipedia) they may have campaigned on one side of the decision but taking some unilateral decision from Westminster to dissolve the country is the complete antithesis of individuals controlling their own lives. There was a vote, that vote didn't go the way they were campaigning for it's one of their principles to accept it.

[Christ Nation]

Dutchman living in Britain, so I can't vote anyway. But let's assume I could

If they ever have any chance of even making a slightest of impact I'd vote for The Christian Party.
But otherwise I would definitely tick the box next the UKIP.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

Dutchman living in Britain, so I can't vote anyway. But let's assume I could

If they ever have any chance of even making a slightest of impact I'd vote for The Christian Party.
But otherwise I would definitely tick the box next the UKIP.

The UKIP would be a good vote as it would lead to the political isolation of the UK

[Christ Nation]

Maybe I think that's a good thing.

[Frazers]

No they directly campaigned for Scottish independence......the Scottish Greens that is. They weren't a neutral bystander.

Yes, I know but now the referendum has occured it is one of the core tenants of the green movement that they have to accept it. it's cocvered under the principle of "Radical Democracy: Politics is too often conducted in a polarised, confrontational atmosphere and in a situation remote from those that it affects. We must develop decentralised, participative systems that encourage individuals to control the decisions that affect their own lives." (albeit thats a quote from wikipedia) they may have campaigned on one side of the decision but taking some unilateral decision from Westminster to dissolve the country is the complete antithesis of individuals controlling their own lives. There was a vote, that vote didn't go the way they were campaigning for it's one of their principles to accept it.

So your argument that they share a cause is that the cause is to not expect each other to share the same cause.

Well that's logic fucked.

[Napkiraly]

The Greens are kinda like the left's version of UKIP - insanity that shouldn't be pandered to.

I wouldn't call them insanity. They aren't the same as north American greens, they're much more reasonable. They're also pretty much the only mainstream solidly left wing party in the UK.

Bennett thinks it shouldn't be a crime to be a member of ISIS or AQ. I call that insanity.

[Oranje Nassau]

I would vote for UKIP.

[Christ Nation]

The Green Party would abolish the Armed Forces in favour of a bamboo-made wall of defence around Britain's coast line, with panda bears in uniforms.

[Frazers]

I wouldn't call them insanity. They aren't the same as north American greens, they're much more reasonable. They're also pretty much the only mainstream solidly left wing party in the UK.

Bennett thinks it shouldn't be a crime to be a member of ISIS or AQ. I call that insanity.

or the IRA

[Olivaero]

I wouldn't call them insanity. They aren't the same as north American greens, they're much more reasonable. They're also pretty much the only mainstream solidly left wing party in the UK.

Bennett thinks it shouldn't be a crime to be a member of ISIS or AQ. I call that insanity.

It's not a completely unreasonable position. It's largely in line with the principle someone has to commit a crime or plan to commit a crime before they're guilty of a crime. I don't really fancy googling "Is it a crime to be a member of AQ?" but can someone tell me if it is currently? I wouldn't of thought so.

[Alyakia]

Bennett thinks it shouldn't be a crime to be a member of ISIS or AQ. I call that insanity.

It's not a completely unreasonable position. It's largely in line with the principle someone has to commit a crime or plan to commit a crime before they're guilty of a crime. I don't really fancy googling "Is it a crime to be a member of AQ?" but can someone tell me if it is currently? I wouldn't of thought so.

it's perfectly reasonable to ban membership of criminal organizations because their entire purpose is to commit or plan to commit crimes, which is why they are conveniently labelled criminal organizations.

[Devvo Mate]

or the IRA

Or the UVF

[Olivaero]

It's not a completely unreasonable position. It's largely in line with the principle someone has to commit a crime or plan to commit a crime before they're guilty of a crime. I don't really fancy googling "Is it a crime to be a member of AQ?" but can someone tell me if it is currently? I wouldn't of thought so.

it's perfectly reasonable to ban membership of criminal organizations because their entire purpose is to commit or plan to commit crimes, which is why they are conveniently labelled criminal organizations.

I'd really rather we locked people up because they committed or were planning to commit a crime. Not because I support Islamism or whatever (I really don't) I just think it's a much better principle to have.

[Bandwagon]

That same logic could be used to rule out everyone but the Conservatives and Labour, as only those two parties – under the current system – will ever form a majority government or leading partner in a coalition.

That said, I'm happy to see a debate between only those with a realistic chance of becoming PM, i.e. Cameron vs Miliband.

That leans the whole debate system towards the presidential debates of the US. Fuck that. We're British not Americans. We're not voting for PM, we're voting for policies.

Northern Irish people do not live on the island of Britain (Which isn't that great lol.) they are on the island of Ireland. They are Northern Irish not British politically and Irish geographically.

[Alyakia]

it's perfectly reasonable to ban membership of criminal organizations because their entire purpose is to commit or plan to commit crimes, which is why they are conveniently labelled criminal organizations.

I'd really rather we locked people up because they committed or were planning to commit a crime. Not because I support Islamism or whatever (I really don't) I just think it's a much better principle to have.

what do you think about telling people they can't join the mafia

[Alyakia]

That leans the whole debate system towards the presidential debates of the US. Fuck that. We're British not Americans. We're not voting for PM, we're voting for policies.

Northern Irish people do not live on the island of Britain (Which isn't that great lol.) they are on the island of Ireland. They are Northern Irish not British politically and Irish geographically.

where are you from and do you actually know why it's called great britain (that's a really old joke)

[Olivaero]

I'd really rather we locked people up because they committed or were planning to commit a crime. Not because I support Islamism or whatever (I really don't) I just think it's a much better principle to have.

what do you think about telling people they can't join the mafia

I think a mafia hitman should go to jail for killing people, I think the kid that goes and gets peoples coffee should probably not get arrested.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Not sure what Boris is on with his terrorists are driven by pornography idea.