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Postby Arumdaum » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:32 am

Vladislavija wrote:What what? Are you saying companies should hire more blacks instead of companies should hire more best qualified people?

Who are you talking to?
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Postby Murkwood » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:35 am

Companies aren't allowed to discriminate, but people sure can. Why not?
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Postby Arumdaum » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:40 am

Murkwood wrote:Companies aren't allowed to discriminate, but people sure can. Why not?

Requesting "white-only" services would indirectly lead to companies disproportionally hiring white people due to their race, and discourage hiring non-white people.

Furthermore, this would mean that non-white people would be less likely to receive a tip than they already are, as they would be providing services for less people.
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Postby Murkwood » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:43 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Companies aren't allowed to discriminate, but people sure can. Why not?

Requesting "white-only" services would indirectly lead to companies disproportionally hiring people due to their race, and discourage hiring non-white people.

Furthermore, this would mean that non-white people would be less likely to receive a tip than they already are, as they would be providing services for less people.

If the company is discriminating, let the courts deal with that.
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Postby Vladislavija » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:59 am

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Vladislavija wrote:What what? Are you saying companies should hire more blacks instead of companies should hire more best qualified people?

Who are you talking to?


Whoever looks at percentages of employees in a field by a color of skin and claims it needs to be adjusted.

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Postby Firsthome » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:13 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Romic wrote:I work in a convience store and I have hispanic customers request someone that speaks spanish. I however do know enough spanish to help the customer they protest. (Since I am the only person here at night) I tell them no one else is here. They generally leave and don't come back. Things like this happen all the time here and in surrounding areas to the point they request only hispanic workers. So it is not an isolated issue of one race. It's all over.


I find that as bad as people requesting to speak to an American, honestly, and I'm Latino myself.

Who gives a crap about THAT? If you can help me and I could only speak Spanish I would take your help because I want something. People like that piss me the fuck off.


I don't care nationality, as long as they can speak English :p
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:26 am

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:Umm for all I care it's 2 private entities that should be free to agree to whatever transaction in their own terms

No they shouldn't. The UK is a nation of laws, private entities can't just do whatever they want.


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Free Europa wrote:It is a very sad day for Europe when you have to request a normal driver. Worse, they are all Pakistanis so they are probably all muslim and support sharia law! Meanwhile so many honest christian Brits are unemployed, struggling to feed their family :(

All this genocide of european culture called immigration has to stop!


Didn't you read the sign when you joined? It read " racists not allowed here"

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Upper America wrote:Absolutely wrong without a doubt. Asking for a driver of a different ethnicity is racist. It could also be a violation of the 14th amendment if the company decides to comply.


The UK doesn't follow the US constitution.

Maybe he means the 14th Amendment to the UK Constitution.
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Postby Firsthome » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:28 am

Iffy!!!

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Thank god this is in general, otherwise I can't poke people :3
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:37 am

The State of Deseret wrote:Let the person request. Let the Company respond.

If the Company says yay then good on you. If they say Nay no harm done.

Basically.

Personally, if they know the city, and know how to get there, it is rather good in my book, and I don't care who the nationality or ethnicity of the driver in question is. Even if they don't, I tend to know how to point them in the right direction to where I'm supposed to go (I remember one time I took the cab, a cab driver accidentally took me to the north end of town trying to look for my address when it was actually south, and he called me a genius).
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:03 am

The policy should be up to the company.

However, what about not requesting a taxi driver in the UK (or anywhere in Europe or the USA for that matter). Taxis are shockingly expensive. Take a bus/train, ride a bike, or walk. Some people in the UK must be seriously loaded with cash.
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:06 am

Let me just have one who is not from Somalia. Those skinny guys give me the creeps. Otherwise, Jamaican, Mexican, Russian, it's all good.
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Postby Firsthome » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:07 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:The policy should be up to the company.

However, what about not requesting a taxi driver in the UK (or anywhere in Europe or the USA for that matter). Taxis are shockingly expensive. Take a bus/train, ride a bike, or walk. Some people in the UK must be seriously loaded with cash.


Trains are the most expensive, actually. It would cost more to take a train across the us than to fly across
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Postby Winston Spencer-Churchill » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:11 am

Ifreann wrote:Maybe he means the 14th Amendment to the UK Constitution.


That's going to be a difficult one, it's probably some act of parliament from the 1400's

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Postby Aurea » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:12 am

I think actually, the big problem here is not the act of requesting white drivers but the fact the customers feel this way in the first place. The system seems to ignore or turn away if the evidence points to a certain minority possessing a certain culture (like, e.g., the grooming of minors). Instead of saying 'this is wrong, do not do it' the attitude is 'don't risk offending them' and a cover up is done.

It is the same here. Cover ups so that nobody can be embarrassed and when it is in the light everyone acts like they had no idea and promise to do something then, when it is quiet again, they push it under the carpet again.
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Postby Bandwagon » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:13 am

Why doesn't the company put up a sign that reads:
" No Racists, Sexists or Homophobes"
It will sort it out.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:16 am

Firsthome wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:The policy should be up to the company.

However, what about not requesting a taxi driver in the UK (or anywhere in Europe or the USA for that matter). Taxis are shockingly expensive. Take a bus/train, ride a bike, or walk. Some people in the UK must be seriously loaded with cash.


Trains are the most expensive, actually. It would cost more to take a train across the us than to fly across


A taxi across the USA would cost more than the train. I was talking about commuter trains for local travel.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:22 am

Bandwagon wrote:Why doesn't the company put up a sign that reads:
" No Racists, Sexists or Homophobes"
It will sort it out.


If the Pakistanis as a majority belonged to a religion that didn't hate other religions perhaps more people would like them driving their cab. I will judge based on religion not race and I am probably not alone. If you belong to a religion that hates me and wants to force me to convert to your views, I will feel uncomfortable taking your cab.

Stop using the race card, it doesn't apply as much as you probably think it does.

Sexism is sometimes justified. You would feel better if your young daughter was driven by a female taxi driver than a male driver, right? There are probably some people that would (although female can drivers are probably not common).
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Postby Firsthome » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:30 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Firsthome wrote:
Trains are the most expensive, actually. It would cost more to take a train across the us than to fly across


A taxi across the USA would cost more than the train. I was talking about commuter trains for local travel.


But a taxi wouldn't even go that far
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:33 am

I don't think it should be allowed for customers to choose the ethnicity of their driver, and I agree that it is racist and unfair to assume the worst of someone just because of their race. However, I have more sympathy for the people making the requests than most people in this thread; imagine if you lived in an area where there was recently a high-profile criminal investigation into a large organised criminal gang made up almost entirely of people of a certain ethnic minority. It's all well and good for you to pour judgement down on people from atop your ivory towers, but if it was you in that situation, would you feel entirely comfortable getting into a taxi on your own with someone of that ethnicity?

I'm not saying that their requests should be granted, just saying that I find the customers' fears understandable. I would advise them instead to follow basic safety tips- never get into a taxi on your own, for example, especially if it's not been specifically ordered, and always tell someone where you're going- in which case they should be quite safe. It's not as if there are no incidents of white British-born taxi drivers committing crimes. This case comes to mind.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:53 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:The policy should be up to the company.

No it shouldn't.


Freiheit Reich wrote:
Bandwagon wrote:Why doesn't the company put up a sign that reads:
" No Racists, Sexists or Homophobes"
It will sort it out.


If the Pakistanis as a majority belonged to a religion that didn't hate other religions perhaps more people would like them driving their cab. I will judge based on religion not race and I am probably not alone.

He said, after explaining how he judges people solely for being Pakistani.
If you belong to a religion that hates me and wants to force me to convert to your views, I will feel uncomfortable taking your cab.

"And I will make assumptions about your religion based on how you look."

Stop using the race card, it doesn't apply as much as you probably think it does.

It does apply in this case, though, because people are asking for white drivers.

Sexism is sometimes justified. You would feel better if your young daughter was driven by a female taxi driver than a male driver, right? There are probably some people that would (although female can drivers are probably not common).

There's nothing justified about that.
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Postby Alyakia » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:55 am

Vladislavija wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Who are you talking to?


Whoever looks at percentages of employees in a field by a color of skin and claims it needs to be adjusted.


yeah that's not what this thread is about
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Postby WestRedMaple » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:04 am

Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:Umm for all I care it's 2 private entities that should be free to agree to whatever transaction in their own terms

No they shouldn't. The UK is a nation of laws, private entities can't just do whatever they want.


Firsthome wrote:
Didn't you read the sign when you joined? It read " racists not allowed here"

Fuck, I wish.


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The UK doesn't follow the US constitution.

Maybe he means the 14th Amendment to the UK Constitution.


Yes, they should. The UK is a nation of laws, and there is no good reason to have any preventing people from exercising their right to choose their own private transactions

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:08 am

WestRedMaple wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No they shouldn't. The UK is a nation of laws, private entities can't just do whatever they want.



Fuck, I wish.



Maybe he means the 14th Amendment to the UK Constitution.


Yes, they should. The UK is a nation of laws, and there is no good reason to have any preventing people from exercising their right to choose their own private transactions


Just think about that statement for a moment....

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Postby Land of wisdom » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:12 am

Normally I say that all races are equal but if they feel in danger because of problems with a group of drivers of a certain race its fine until they can be absolutely sure their driver will not do things like that

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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:30 am

Land of wisdom wrote:Normally I say that all races are equal but if they feel in danger because of problems with a group of drivers of a certain race its fine until they can be absolutely sure their driver will not do things like that


What are you talking about? You're clearly against the notion that all races are equal if you think it's reasonable that some people will feel threatened by other races. They're not threatened by people of other races, they're just bigoted assholes.
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