HS football hazing involving rape outraged community

[Untaroicht]

I didn't even know what hazing was until I heard of this. After reading the wikipedia article, HOW THE FUCK can this phenomenon be considered acceptable outside of criminal gang initiations, let alone so prevent?!

Seriously, it said some mechanics get their nuts covered in car grease before getting a job. Is that common nowadays?

[Greed and Death]

No.

Are you shitting me? Did you read the OP? The boys were pinned down and AT LEAST groped. If this had happened to a teenage girl would you deem that acceptable and above the law? These boys committed sexual assault at the least, if not rape. That is more than enough for the court to deem them sex offenders. They are not above the law.

If it happened to a girl, this may have never came out as the highschool gossip community would have called her a slut who changed her mind after the fact and ruined football.

[The Grey Wolf]

No.

Are you shitting me? Did you read the OP? The boys were pinned down and AT LEAST groped. If this had happened to a teenage girl would you deem that acceptable and above the law? These boys committed sexual assault at the least, if not rape. That is more than enough for the court to deem them sex offenders. They are not above the law.

Yes, I read the OP, and your overemotional tone just makes you look deranged. If you actually cared to review my post, I was solely disagreeing with putting them on the sex offenders list in the future, as it makes rehabilitation harder.

How the fuck do you get from "I don't think they should have to register as sex offenders," to "I'm okay with people fucking teenage girls without their consent."?

[Gauthier]

As O.J. Simpson, Ray Lewis and Aaron Hernandez proves there's almost no crime too unspeakable for a football player to commit for the football worshipping masses.

Frankly the only crime likely to sink a footballer in the eyes of the public would be child molestation, and the closest thing to a kiddy diddling linebacker we had was Jerry Sandusky. Then again Sandusky's kiddy-diddling was covered up for years so who knows?

[United Marxist Nations]

Are you shitting me? Did you read the OP? The boys were pinned down and AT LEAST groped. If this had happened to a teenage girl would you deem that acceptable and above the law? These boys committed sexual assault at the least, if not rape. That is more than enough for the court to deem them sex offenders. They are not above the law.

Yes, I read the OP, and your overemotional tone just makes you look deranged. If you actually cared to review my post, I was solely disagreeing with putting them on the sex offenders list in the future, as it makes rehabilitation harder.

How the fuck do you get from "I don't think they should have to register as sex offenders," to "I'm okay with people fucking teenage girls without their consent."?

If everyone else who does it has to register, then they should too.

[Jamjai]

this happens all the time: hazing

it shouldn't be much if a surprise really if someone got hazed that is against the law

i don't why the community became outraged

[Myrensis]

Are you shitting me? Did you read the OP? The boys were pinned down and AT LEAST groped. If this had happened to a teenage girl would you deem that acceptable and above the law? These boys committed sexual assault at the least, if not rape. That is more than enough for the court to deem them sex offenders. They are not above the law.

If it happened to a girl, this may have never came out as the highschool gossip community would have called her a slut who changed her mind after the fact and ruined football.

I am slightly depressed that that was my first thought when I read about this too, comparing this to say, Steubenville, where what happened to the girl was much worse.

[Ethel mermania]

this happens all the time: hazing

it shouldn't be much if a surprise really if someone got hazed that is against the law

i don't why the community became outraged

Because sticking your finger up someone elses ass without their consent is a criminal offense punishable by jail time.

[Cyrisnia]

This is disgusting.

[Greed and Death]

Rehabilitation /=/ keeping this attitude alive and well. I don't think you are reading my posts anymore or are just emotionally charged so I'll stop here...

You suggest allowing the football season to go on, despite the fact that the football program itself is part of the problem. You've put the football program as being more important than the safety and well-being of the students, and indeed you've suggested that the rapes and sexual assaults perpetrated "aren't that bad".

On the other side of the coin, it appears Harvard and a few other ivy leagues has a rape culture problem as well. No one is calling for Harvard to close for a semester.

I think if the guilty parties can be found and removed from the team it may be reasonable to allow the team to play.

[United Dependencies]

Are you shitting me? Did you read the OP? The boys were pinned down and AT LEAST groped. If this had happened to a teenage girl would you deem that acceptable and above the law? These boys committed sexual assault at the least, if not rape. That is more than enough for the court to deem them sex offenders. They are not above the law.

Yes, I read the OP, and your overemotional tone just makes you look deranged. If you actually cared to review my post, I was solely disagreeing with putting them on the sex offenders list in the future, as it makes rehabilitation harder.

I think this issue completely merits some outrage. It's fairly outrageous behavior.

As to putting them on the sex offender registry:
1)What do you mean when you say it makes rehabilitation harder?
2)Why should that exempt these sex offenders when it doesn't exempt other sex offenders?

[Ethel mermania]

You suggest allowing the football season to go on, despite the fact that the football program(snip)d".

On the other side of the coin, it appears Harvard and a few other ivy leagues has a rape culture problem as well. No one is calling for Harvard to close for a semester.

I think if the guilty parties can be found and removed from the team it may be reasonable to allow the team to play.

I think the problem with that is this has been going on for years. This is the first group to cry about it. The head coach had complaints about him when he was in the city, and their is a steriod scandel being buried with one of the assistant coaches. It needs to be ripped up and redone.

[Terra Sector Union]

There should be prison sentences. I am also against hazing in general so adding rape in the mix makes it more disgusting.

[Dyakovo]

Yes, I read the OP, and your overemotional tone just makes you look deranged. If you actually cared to review my post, I was solely disagreeing with putting them on the sex offenders list in the future, as it makes rehabilitation harder.

How the fuck do you get from "I don't think they should have to register as sex offenders," to "I'm okay with people fucking teenage girls without their consent."?

If everyone else who does it has to register, then they should too.

You should also note his opposition to the sex offender registry in general...

[Scomagia]

If everyone else who does it has to register, then they should too.

You should also note his opposition to the sex offender registry in general...

That would require reading his post critically, Dya.

[Herskerstad]

'Snitch hunt' huh?

How about this event forwarded to every future employer said asshat who wrote that instead?

As far as the issue itself goes. Among those charged with the lesser things, like 'grabbing a butt' at least...... I am hesitant on the collective scale of it to suddenly bank them all in the sex offender registry. Even though they deserve to pay collectively in some significant fashion. It is high school and while it went too damn far even on the lesser level, I recall some gym classes in elementary doing the same in a more pranksterish fashion.

On the issue of the penetration or any other significant sexual harassment which borders on rape if proven true. Let the hammer fall down and go for the worst punishments possible.

What makes me somewhat uneasy is if the community backs the football team after that, which sometimes sad as it is fucking happens, then yeah, that's be awful and warranting some actions in itself.

[Alexanda]

Some would argue sterilizing sex offenders would be a good idea.
Those responsible for this crime should be locked up like animals.

Some people would argue smoking crack is a good idea too but that doesn't make it so.
No, they don't need to be "locked up like animals". They need to be rehabilitated.

They need to be locked up like animals, and their parents punished too.

[Indira]

Sexual assualt went on and the biggest complaint is about the FOOTBALL being cancelled? SeriouslY!?!

[Scomagia]

Some people would argue smoking crack is a good idea too but that doesn't make it so.
No, they don't need to be "locked up like animals". They need to be rehabilitated.

They need to be locked up like animals, and their parents punished too.

What a barbaric notion. Rather than attempt to reach these people and make them understand the fault of their actions, you'd rather lock them away and pretend they don't exist. It's fucking pathetic.

[Infected Mushroom]

High school football hazing involving rape outraged community.

A small New Jersey town is reeling weeks after seven high-school varsity American football players were accused of charges ranging from hazing to aggravated sexual assault earlier this month.

According to the victims, seniors on the Sayreville War Memorial High School team would run into the locker room, turn the lights off, pin them to the floor and, at the very least, grab their buttocks. This allegedly happened on multiple occasions between 19 and 29 September.

Three of the players are facing more serious charges, including the sexual penetration of one victim.

This may have been a orchestrated event. Four players would hold a victim on the floor while two were on lookout, one parent told NJ.com after their son confided in them. One player would signal the start of the process with a howl, then turn off the lights and assault the freshman.

Two victims interviewed by the New York Times, including one who said he was digitally penetrated from behind, said they were wearing football pants at the time and didn't consider what happened to be that serious.

Stories of older members of the team pinning down freshmen team-mates and assaulting them in a dark locker room as others cheered initially shocked the community. But after superintendent of schools Richard Labbe cancelled the rest of the team's season, many students and parents defended the programme and criticised what they saw as a punishment that extended to players who were not involved.

"If freshman thought we hated them before, we sure as hell hate them now," one 16-year-old student wrote on Twitter shortly after the season was cancelled.

During a school board meeting, according to Sports Illustrated, dozens of players and parents protested against the decision to cancel the season.

"They were talking about a butt being grabbed," one player's mother, Madeline Thillet, said. "That's about it. No one was hurt. No one died."

In reaction to the extreme backlash, the victims may be minimising the story, say Nate Shweber, Kim Barker and Jason Grant in the New York Times. They write that there has been an "atmosphere of recrimination" since the season's cancellation.

"The search is on for the snitches - the kids who killed football in Sayreville," they write.

Gary Phillips of the Journal News, a newspaper in the Lower Hudson River Valley of New York, says he has a problem with how many people have been referring to what happened as hazing at all. He writes that hazing is a part of team culture, but it is too often an excuse to bully or cause suffering.

What happened in Sayreville was not hazing, he says. What happened had nothing to do with initiation or building camaraderie.

"By calling sexual abuse hazing, society grants those perpetrators a free pass and downplays the brutality of their actions," he writes. "What is actually a very serious crime is passed off as a 'rite of passage' ritual that went too far."

What say you NSG?
Did the school go to far in cancelling the football program? Did they not go far enough? Should the perpetrators be facing criminal charges?

they should face criminal consequences. Anyone involved in acts of sexual molestation should face a lifetime behind bars (or at least 30 years). The human body is sacrosanct and sexual violation is completely unacceptable. Completely unacceptable.

No, the program should not be cancelled because of a few rotten apples. If you're concerned, keep the program but closely monitor the players (maybe have the police assist you). The games CAN continue AND we can get rid of all the bad apples. Everybody can win (the fans of the game, Justice, the victims protected, the police get their press glory etc).

[Alexanda]

They need to be locked up like animals, and their parents punished too.

What a barbaric notion. Rather than attempt to reach these people and make them understand the fault of their actions, you'd rather lock them away and pretend they don't exist. It's fucking pathetic.

No it is not F-word pathetic.
These people need punishing, as do their parents. The former more so, of course.

[Sacred United Rome]

Some people would argue smoking crack is a good idea too but that doesn't make it so.
No, they don't need to be "locked up like animals". They need to be rehabilitated.

They need to be locked up like animals, and their parents punished too.

Why lock them up when you can hang them?

[Alexanda]

They need to be locked up like animals, and their parents punished too.

Why lock them up when you can hang them?

Because I do not think the situation is serious enough to conclude in hanging.
Of course, the victims will likely think differently.

[Alexanda]

They need to be locked up like animals, and their parents punished too.

Why lock them up when you can hang them?

Because I do not think the situation is serious enough to conclude in hanging.
Of course, the victims will likely think differently.

[Tahar Joblis]

they should face criminal consequences. Anyone involved in acts of sexual molestation should face a lifetime behind bars (or at least 30 years). The human body is sacrosanct and sexual violation is completely unacceptable. Completely unacceptable.

That's not a terribly practical method of dealing with things. Sex criminals actually have a relatively low recidivism rate, lots of them can be rehabilitated.

I know people get really excited about throwing the book at people, but going gung-ho for the prison industrial complex really isn't a very good answer for most crimes. Violent crimes, sex crimes, property crimes... not really that different in the end. You do want to punish, but a minimum sentence of 30 years is probably excessive for any general category of crime. This is especially the case when perpetrators are minors.

No, the program should not be cancelled because of a few rotten apples. If you're concerned, keep the program but closely monitor the players (maybe have the police assist you). The games CAN continue AND we can get rid of all the bad apples. Everybody can win (the fans of the game, Justice, the victims protected, the police get their press glory etc).

Continue the program and you have produced all the incentives to cover up involvement by various players to keep the team intact and to delay investigations as long as possible.

Shut the program down as a non-negotiable point, and voila, suddenly those incentives go away. I don't think it's at all out of line to shut down the entire program when there's evidence of multiple upperclassmen involved in hazing activities.