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Postby Karsane » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:45 pm

Alvalon wrote:I'd assume the world would prefer an old-fashioned Eastern Orthodox Imperialist Russia over another Soviet Union.


This is my exact opinion. I'd rather see a Tsar rule over Russia than a president or premier marshal proletariat thing.

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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:11 pm

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Cyrisnia wrote:Well, us Poles and Lithuanians are like the best duo in Eastern Europe. :hug:

So,
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The good all days when the Polish-Lithuanians controlled what makes up most of Ukraine today.
The following red colored area overlaid over a modern map shows the territorial extent of the Polish-Lithuania kingdom. Could this be why they are so interested with Ukraine. :o

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Postby Santeriea » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:13 am

No, if something like it would rise, it would be something different.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:56 am

Rio Cana wrote:The good all days when the Polish-Lithuanians controlled what makes up most of Ukraine today.

Yeah, no thanks, we Orthodox don't consider a time of forced conversions to Catholicism "the good old days".
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Postby Sau Island » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:58 am

According to me, it can't, because communism is a very outdated concept nowadays.
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Postby Arcanda » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:59 am

Communism is dead.The Soviet Union is a thing of the past, it just can't work in our globalized world nowadays.It's like a feudal system, it's not compatible with the XXIst century.

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Postby Sisterhood » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:59 am

I highly doubt it...

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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:20 am

What he is doing is trying to bring back the Imperial Russian Czarist Government which is obsolete and also the reason why Communism rose into the country taking millions of lives and Czar Nicholas wasn't a good man either he killed his own people with famine and armed attacks on the populace. What kills me that he wants to be the new Czar Vladimir Putin. But one problem he's not a Romanov !
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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:22 am

He will never be czar!
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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:24 am

Karsane wrote:
Alvalon wrote:I'd assume the world would prefer an old-fashioned Eastern Orthodox Imperialist Russia over another Soviet Union.


This is my exact opinion. I'd rather see a Tsar rule over Russia than a president or premier marshal proletariat thing.

I would rather see neither and Russia being ruled by a republican government
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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:27 am

Rio Cana wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:So,
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The good all days when the Polish-Lithuanians controlled what makes up most of Ukraine today.
The following red colored area overlaid over a modern map shows the territorial extent of the Polish-Lithuania kingdom. Could this be why they are so interested with Ukraine. :o

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... nt.svg.png

That would be awesome! But it wouldn't work out and also this would lead to more crises in the EU.
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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:29 am

I want Edo Japan to become an Empire and unite under the Rising Sun!
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Postby Indira » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:30 am

Unlikely. The old Soviet Union collapsed for good reason after all. Who would WANT to bring it back? Not to mention that the circumstances that created the Soviet Union don't exist any more

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Postby The Chinese Protected American States » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:33 am

No, it can't.

And no one with half a mind is going to miss the old one.
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Postby Nervium » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:42 am

No.

Why the hell would anyone have this catastrophic empire that was a major social cathastrophe to come back?

Even better, if you like communism, you should hate the Soviet Union.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:51 am

It should be.

We need a trustworthy player on the world stage. A partner who will not hesitate to stand against the imperialist expansion of the Euro-American plutocracy. A light in the darkness, hosting free media that'll tell us the truth, unlike the corrupt media moguls directing the sheeple as they please. We need a supporter of humanism, a defender of civil rights and pursuor of political liberty.

We need a champion of freedom to stand against the encroachment of American authoritarianism.

We need the Soviet Union.
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Postby New Kvenland » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:21 am

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:What he is doing is trying to bring back the Imperial Russian Czarist Government which is obsolete and also the reason why Communism rose into the country taking millions of lives and Czar Nicholas wasn't a good man either he killed his own people with famine and armed attacks on the populace. What kills me that he wants to be the new Czar Vladimir Putin. But one problem he's not a Romanov !


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Postby Tristenia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:23 am

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:I want Edo Japan to become an Empire and unite under the Rising Sun!

You need to stop playing Red Alert 3 so much.
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Postby Indira » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:27 am

Nazis in Space wrote:It should be.

We need a trustworthy player on the world stage. A partner who will not hesitate to stand against the imperialist expansion of the Euro-American plutocracy. A light in the darkness, hosting free media that'll tell us the truth, unlike the corrupt media moguls directing the sheeple as they please. We need a supporter of humanism, a defender of civil rights and pursuor of political liberty.

We need a champion of freedom to stand against the encroachment of American authoritarianism.

We need the Soviet Union.


A champion of freedom? A TRUSTWORTHY PLAYER? A LIGHT IN THE DARKNESS!?! Are we talking about the SAME entity!?!

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Postby Anglo-California » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:29 am

No. Putin is not some reincarnation of Stalin.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:09 am

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:the Crimea belongs to the Ukraine it always had!

Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea
Crimea and adjacent territories were united in the Crimean Khanate during the 15th to 18th century before falling to the Russian Empire and being organised as its Taurida Oblast in 1783.
After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Crimea became a republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in the USSR. In World War Two it was downgraded to the Crimean Oblast, and in 1954 the Crimean Oblast was transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. It became the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within newly independent Ukraine in 1991, with Sevastopol having its own administration, within Ukraine but outside of the Autonomous Republic.


In short: Crimea has been part of Russia from 1783 to 1954. That's 171 years. Part of Ukraine from 1954 to 2014. That's 60 years.
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Also, Crimea belongs to the people who live there. People have rights, countries don't.

Anglo-California wrote:No. Putin is not some reincarnation of Stalin.

Also because Putin is Russian and lacks a cool moustache, while Stalin was Georgian and had the most badass moustache ever.
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Postby Bandwagon » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:10 am

Risottia wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:the Crimea belongs to the Ukraine it always had!

Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea
Crimea and adjacent territories were united in the Crimean Khanate during the 15th to 18th century before falling to the Russian Empire and being organised as its Taurida Oblast in 1783.
After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Crimea became a republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in the USSR. In World War Two it was downgraded to the Crimean Oblast, and in 1954 the Crimean Oblast was transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. It became the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within newly independent Ukraine in 1991, with Sevastopol having its own administration, within Ukraine but outside of the Autonomous Republic.


In short: Crimea has been part of Russia from 1783 to 1954. That's 171 years. Part of Ukraine from 1954 to 2014. That's 60 years.
Learn2factcheck.

Also, Crimea belongs to the people who live there. People have rights, countries don't.

Anglo-California wrote:No. Putin is not some reincarnation of Stalin.

Also because Putin is Russian and lacks a cool moustache, while Stalin was Georgian and had the most badass moustache ever.

Independence for Crimea!
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:13 am

Bandwagon wrote:Independence for Crimea!

If they want it, why not?
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:19 am

Nervium wrote:No.

Why the hell would anyone have this catastrophic empire that was a major social cathastrophe to come back?

Even better, if you like communism, you should hate the Soviet Union.

Because most think things have gotten worse: http://www.pewglobal.org/2011/12/05/con ... iet-union/
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:47 am

Bandwagon wrote:
Risottia wrote:Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea
Crimea and adjacent territories were united in the Crimean Khanate during the 15th to 18th century before falling to the Russian Empire and being organised as its Taurida Oblast in 1783.
After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Crimea became a republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in the USSR. In World War Two it was downgraded to the Crimean Oblast, and in 1954 the Crimean Oblast was transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. It became the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within newly independent Ukraine in 1991, with Sevastopol having its own administration, within Ukraine but outside of the Autonomous Republic.


In short: Crimea has been part of Russia from 1783 to 1954. That's 171 years. Part of Ukraine from 1954 to 2014. That's 60 years.
Learn2factcheck.

Also, Crimea belongs to the people who live there. People have rights, countries don't.


Also because Putin is Russian and lacks a cool moustache, while Stalin was Georgian and had the most badass moustache ever.

Independence for Crimea!

If that is what they want.
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