Is War A Valid Option To Deal With Putin?

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Russia can't afford a war, those cocky TV shit they pull in Ukraine, its nothing compared to a direct fight with China, USA and the rest of NATO Members

[Sacred United Rome]

Denmark might have a claim to the rest of Scandinavia, I don't know enough about history to say.

In the Treaty of Malmö (1524) Denmark gave up its claim on Sweden, in the Napoleonic wars it also lost Norway to Sweden and gave all its claims on Norway through the Treaty of Kiel (1814).

[Imperializt Russia]

As long as NATO stops over here in Canuckistan and removes the Party of One - in other words, Harper - I'm game. After all, Putin and Harper are pretty much identical, and lead their nations in nearly identical wats.

In fairness, Harper hasn't invaded Alaska and supported a separatist movement there to defend ethnic Canucks.

[Purpelia]

Am I the only one who still remembers that the Russians have a nuclear weapons stockpile? Just checking.

[Santeriea]

No, it would do more harm than good.

[Summerset Plains]

Was growing a beard with a dildo a good idea? No?
Answer found..

[Arcanda]

Am I the only one who still remembers that the Russians have a nuclear weapons stockpile? Just checking.

Nuclear war with Russia is past, it's not an option anymore.We could expect it from North Korea, maybe, but all Putin cares about is money, and a nuclear wasteland doesn't produces much money.

[Erusuia]

Putin is the greatest Russian leader the country has got in 3 centuries.

One who is aiding pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine? The same rebels who SHOT DOWN a commercial plane AND KILLED everyone on board? That's real great. Good Putnin.

Considering he rebuild Russia from what was ostensibly a third world country into a world power

Hes better then most Russian leaders can claim

[Central Slavia]

We all know Russian President Putin is growing out of hand. Something has to be done, since economic sanctions aren't effective since they were issued against Russia. Should war be brought forth? Or is there yet another option?

We all know American president Obama is running out of hand, too. Just look at the mess in Ukraine, Libya and Iraq being the direct result of the actions of his government.

[Kilobugya]

First, we don't need to "deal with Putin", and he's not "growing out of hand" (of which hand ?) I'm not a fan of Putin, but he didn't do anything worse than what USA/NATO members do regularly, far from it.

Then, Putin has nukes, so no.

[Farnhamia]

War is not a valid option. Annihilation is a valid option.

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[United Marxist Nations]

No it isn't. The USSR is not the continuation of the Russian Empire. That line was broken, it was destroyed, it was meaningless. The USSR wasn't an empire in the legal sense. As per the Union Treaty of 1922 (treaty that established the USSR), separate Soviet Republics joined together to form the USSR. In theory, the USSR was a compact by the SSR's to form a government, whereas the Russian Empire was a government organized in the opposite manner. And the Soviet Union decreed itself non-existent, nullifying the duties of the SSR's per the Union Treaty.

well, they were all controlled by the Russians

legal technicalities aside, they are basically reincarnations of the same nation no?

No they weren't, they were controlled by the various parties. The Soviet Republics actually arose separately from one another, even if from the same source (the Bolshevik Party). Ukrainian Bolsheviks created the Ukrainian SSR, Russian Bolsheviks created the Russian SFSR.

Again, no. The USSR destroyed that line. What you're saying is that most of Europe belongs to Rome because a now-defunct government from Rome used to govern most of it. It's stupid, and it isn't how shit works.

[Risottia]

Russia can't afford a war, those cocky TV shit they pull in Ukraine, its nothing compared to a direct fight with China, USA and the rest of NATO Members

One word: nukes.

You try to bring such an alliance on Russia, Russia launches.

[The New Lowlands]

Russia can't afford a war, those cocky TV shit they pull in Ukraine, its nothing compared to a direct fight with China, USA and the rest of NATO Members

One word: nukes.

You try to bring such an alliance on Russia, Russia launches.

it's getting annoying how often I have to remind people that MAD isn't necessarily true

[Everlyn]

One word: nukes.

You try to bring such an alliance on Russia, Russia launches.

it's getting annoying how often I have to remind people that MAD isn't necessarily true

Its the truth. Just because they CAN fight back, doesn't mean they WILL or SHOULD fight back.

[Auroya]

Heh. Heh. No.

Wait, you were serious?

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Russia can't afford a war, those cocky TV shit they pull in Ukraine, its nothing compared to a direct fight with China, USA and the rest of NATO Members

One word: nukes.

You try to bring such an alliance on Russia, Russia launches.

Something tells me you don't know much of politics, and your info comes mostly fron Fallout.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

One word: nukes.

You try to bring such an alliance on Russia, Russia launches.

it's getting annoying how often I have to remind people that MAD isn't necessarily true

I don't think you understand the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction and how it works between the U.S. and Russia.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

One word: nukes.

You try to bring such an alliance on Russia, Russia launches.

Something tells me you don't know much of politics, and your info comes mostly fron Fallout.

Fallout isn't true.

A nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia however would be a bad idea.

[Neoconstantius]

Russia can't afford a war, those cocky TV shit they pull in Ukraine, its nothing compared to a direct fight with China, USA and the rest of NATO Members

Hah, no way would China stand behind NATO. Hell, half of NATO won't even stand behind NATO.

[The New Lowlands]

it's getting annoying how often I have to remind people that MAD isn't necessarily true

I don't think you understand the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction and how it works between the U.S. and Russia.

I understand the doctrine fine, it just happens to be BS.

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I think the Western media exaggerates the hell out of the Putin problem. Yes, I think Russia as it stands is both authoritarian and imperialist (though only a bit more so than the West). That said, if you look at the Ukraine issue, even if the referendum in Crimea wasn't completely legitimate, I think the educated observer would have to agree the vast majority of Crimeans (and those in the so called Donetsk People's Republic) embrace Russian rule, so give it to them.

[Caninope]

it's getting annoying how often I have to remind people that MAD isn't necessarily true

I don't think you understand the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction and how it works between the U.S. and Russia.

I think you value MAD too much; MAD makes a very key assumption, that small, conventional conflicts will escalate very quickly, and that's not an assumption that I think we can make. MAD will only come into play when a country has an existential threat.

[Caninope]

I think the Western media exaggerates the hell out of the Putin problem. Yes, I think Russia as it stands is both authoritarian and imperialist (though only a bit more so than the West). That said, if you look at the Ukraine issue, even if the referendum in Crimea wasn't completely legitimate, I think the educated observer would have to agree the vast majority of Crimeans (and those in the so called Donetsk People's Republic) embrace Russian rule, so give it to them.

No, that's literally not true at all.

[Caninope]

Russia can't afford a war, those cocky TV shit they pull in Ukraine, its nothing compared to a direct fight with China, USA and the rest of NATO Members

One word: nukes.

You try to bring such an alliance on Russia, Russia launches.

I don't think you properly understand geopolitical strategy in the manner that you think you do, considering that MAD takes as a key assumption that wars will escalate so quickly that they'll essential miss several rungs of the ladder.