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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:41 pm

The Sons of Adam wrote:
UBS wrote:Still more plausible then Scientology

A religion of science?
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If by science you mean a bunch if crazy people going "ALIENS MADE EVERYTHING,HUMANS ARE WORTHLESS RETARDS WHO CAN'T DO ANYTHING,ALIENS!!!!!!!" Then yeah a religion of "science"

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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:43 pm

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What I'm asking is how do you know god, I am, is the whole truth? What if he is only one way to understand enlightenment?

If God is a part of truth, then he must really hate the other truths, and that would contradict what God says about himself "I the Lord, am not a man, that should lie, nor the Son of Man, that should change his mind". If that was so, God is a liar, and has no truth in him.

God is enlightenment. I know it because the path of my ancestors, and your ancestors, converge in Yahwism. There is one God. There is no way I can deny this. Yahwism was the first religion. It shall be the last religion. All polytheism, look for so-called enlightenment, that is actually near them the whole time. There is only one path. Monotheism has the most adherents. The first humans on this rock was monotheist, for they walked and talked with God. Jesus is the completion of redemption of humanity. I am sure not just because history, but experience. I haven't met God directly, nor have seen the dead raised. But I have seen a miracle.

All of these things strengthen faith. Science will do the same, for it will help me discover the secrets of God's law


Well he did say he was a jelious god and it would explain other religions. But maybe me reading into things a bit to deep into the "he is within you" sort of thing.

Hmm, I see. If a maricle truly has befallen on you, then I smile upon you sir. And I do mean that. To have a blessing like that is truely a gift, there is no denying that.

I think we merely see things differently and got to our answers in different ways.

Also that is admiral of you sir. I wish the best of luck to you. :)
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:44 pm

UBS wrote:
The Sons of Adam wrote:A religion of science?
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... r08e3p.jpg

If by science you mean a bunch if crazy people going "ALIENS MADE EVERYTHING,HUMANS ARE WORTHLESS RETARDS WHO CAN'T DO ANYTHING,ALIENS!!!!!!!" Then yeah a religion of "science"


The Alien theory is actually more popular than you'd think. I personally think it's ridiculous, but I know people who do believe it. They're not scientologists though.
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:46 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
UBS wrote:If by science you mean a bunch if crazy people going "ALIENS MADE EVERYTHING,HUMANS ARE WORTHLESS RETARDS WHO CAN'T DO ANYTHING,ALIENS!!!!!!!" Then yeah a religion of "science"


The Alien theory is actually more popular than you'd think. I personally think it's ridiculous, but I know people who do believe it. They're not scientologists though.


Ancient aliens anyone? XD
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:46 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
The Alien theory is actually more popular than you'd think. I personally think it's ridiculous, but I know people who do believe it. They're not scientologists though.


Ancient aliens anyone? XD


Uuggghhh, noooo XP hahaha
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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:47 pm

Anyway I think the only MAJOR problem with Christianity is the stain of catholism

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:50 pm

UBS wrote:Anyway I think the only MAJOR problem with Christianity is the stain of catholism


What's really wrong with Catholicism? If it's the Crusades, they're long gone. If it's corruption, well, they seem to be working on it, but I get the feeling that such a thing is a problem with all organizations. If it's some kind of bigotry, the Westboro Baptists have them beat :P

I may be a Protestant, but even I don't demonize Catholicism.
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:50 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Ancient aliens anyone? XD


Uuggghhh, noooo XP hahaha


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Postby Yalos » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:51 pm

UBS wrote:Anyway I think the only MAJOR problem with Christianity is the stain of catholism

Except that protestants carried out the mass genocide of hundreds of nations, all citing their Christian superiority as causi belli to do so.

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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:52 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
UBS wrote:Anyway I think the only MAJOR problem with Christianity is the stain of catholism


What's really wrong with Catholicism? If it's the Crusades, they're long gone. If it's corruption, well, they seem to be working on it, but I get the feeling that such a thing is a problem with all organizations. If it's some kind of bigotry, the Westboro Baptists have them beat :P

I may be a Protestant, but even I don't demonize Catholicism.

Its because they are the most radical of Christianity

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:54 pm

UBS wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
What's really wrong with Catholicism? If it's the Crusades, they're long gone. If it's corruption, well, they seem to be working on it, but I get the feeling that such a thing is a problem with all organizations. If it's some kind of bigotry, the Westboro Baptists have them beat :P

I may be a Protestant, but even I don't demonize Catholicism.

Its because they are the most radical of Christianity


Noting the Westboro Baptists, I can assure you that is not the case :P
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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:55 pm

Yalos wrote:
UBS wrote:Anyway I think the only MAJOR problem with Christianity is the stain of catholism

Except that protestants carried out the mass genocide of hundreds of nations, all citing their Christian superiority as causi belli to do so.

Except that the pope misused his power multiple times all through out history,and that Catholics are so radical that there is a rule stating that the British monarch can't be catholic,out of fear they will start misusing their power to kill noncatholics

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:55 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
UBS wrote:Its because they are the most radical of Christianity


Noting the Westboro Baptists, I can assure you that is not the case :P


:rofl:

Westboro Baptists, pfft. :p
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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:56 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
UBS wrote:Its because they are the most radical of Christianity


Noting the Westboro Baptists, I can assure you that is not the case :P

Ugh,westboro,truly the reason I converted from a baptist to Lutheran

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Postby Yalos » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:56 pm

UBS wrote:
Yalos wrote:Except that protestants carried out the mass genocide of hundreds of nations, all citing their Christian superiority as causi belli to do so.

Except that the pope misused his power multiple times all through out history,and that Catholics are so radical that there is a rule stating that the British monarch can't be catholic,out of fear they will start misusing their power to kill noncatholics

Except that you said that the Catholics were the ONLY major problem with Christianity. That clearly is not the case at all.

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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:58 pm

Yalos wrote:
UBS wrote:Except that the pope misused his power multiple times all through out history,and that Catholics are so radical that there is a rule stating that the British monarch can't be catholic,out of fear they will start misusing their power to kill noncatholics

Except that you said that the Catholics were the ONLY major problem with Christianity. That clearly is not the case at all.

Only MAJOR problem affecting us in present times

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Postby Yalos » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:03 pm

UBS wrote:
Yalos wrote:Except that you said that the Catholics were the ONLY major problem with Christianity. That clearly is not the case at all.

Only MAJOR problem affecting us in present times

So you condone the protestant leaders that forced children to commit mass suicide?

And you find the Westboro church, or the people that refused their son crucial appendix surgery (causing him to die), to be minor problems? They weren't Catholics, you know.

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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:06 pm

Yalos wrote:
UBS wrote:Only MAJOR problem affecting us in present times

So you condone the protestant leaders that forced children to commit mass suicide?

And you find the Westboro church, or the people that refused their son crucial appendix surgery (causing him to die), to be minor problems? They weren't Catholics, you know.

Wow,you think morality still matters :rofl:

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Postby Menassa » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:10 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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Noting the Westboro Baptists, I can assure you that is not the case :P


:rofl:

Westboro Baptists, pfft. :p

Comparatively, I wouldn't call them harmful.
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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:11 pm

UBS wrote:
Yalos wrote:Except that protestants carried out the mass genocide of hundreds of nations, all citing their Christian superiority as causi belli to do so.

Except that the pope misused his power multiple times all through out history,and that Catholics are so radical that there is a rule stating that the British monarch can't be catholic,out of fear they will start misusing their power to kill noncatholics

Didn't know past abuses reflected the entirety of the largest sect of Christianity. Of we want to look at so modern acts of Christian fundamentalism you can look at the CAR in where the anti-balaka a Christian rebel group accused of acts of genocide and such (destroying whole villages, targeted attacks against Muslims. Oh and throwing Muslim babies off cliffs that a nice touch) is a mostly Protestant group.

While Christianity isn't all that prone to violent radicalism it definetly seems that Protestent Christians are more prone to it than most any other Christian sect. Of course these guys represent less then 1% of the total Christian population but the point still remains.
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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:13 pm

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UBS wrote:Except that the pope misused his power multiple times all through out history,and that Catholics are so radical that there is a rule stating that the British monarch can't be catholic,out of fear they will start misusing their power to kill noncatholics

Didn't know past abuses reflected the entirety of the largest sect of Christianity. Of we want to look at so modern acts of Christian fundamentalism you can look at the CAR in where the anti-balaka a Christian rebel group accused of acts of genocide and such (destroying whole villages, targeted attacks against Muslims. Oh and throwing Muslim babies off cliffs that a nice touch) is a mostly Protestant group.

While Christianity isn't all that prone to violent radicalism it definetly seems that Protestent Christians are more prone to it than most any other Christian sect. Of course these guys represent less then 1% of the total Christian population but the point still remains.

Screw it,everything is violent,no if ands or buts,screw morality

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:18 pm

Yalos wrote:
UBS wrote:Anyway I think the only MAJOR problem with Christianity is the stain of catholism

Except that protestants carried out the mass genocide of hundreds of nations, all citing their Christian superiority as causi belli to do so.


Eh, I think it was more like Imperialist governments wanting a cassus belli they could use while having widespread support from the citizenry, and using their people's religion to get it regardless of whether said religion actually supports it. Which, as a Protestant, I do not believe it does.
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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:20 pm

UBS wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:Didn't know past abuses reflected the entirety of the largest sect of Christianity. Of we want to look at so modern acts of Christian fundamentalism you can look at the CAR in where the anti-balaka a Christian rebel group accused of acts of genocide and such (destroying whole villages, targeted attacks against Muslims. Oh and throwing Muslim babies off cliffs that a nice touch) is a mostly Protestant group.

While Christianity isn't all that prone to violent radicalism it definetly seems that Protestent Christians are more prone to it than most any other Christian sect. Of course these guys represent less then 1% of the total Christian population but the point still remains.

Screw it,everything is violent,no if ands or buts,screw morality

Screw morality? Is that you just quoting the argument or are you being serious? Ether way it quite sad as ether you've just quite debating and left your argument or you're being hypocritical because I'm sure that's not what you were saying in the Abortion thread.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:21 pm

Yalos wrote:
UBS wrote:Only MAJOR problem affecting us in present times

So you condone the protestant leaders that forced children to commit mass suicide?

And you find the Westboro church, or the people that refused their son crucial appendix surgery (causing him to die), to be minor problems? They weren't Catholics, you know.


Note: Not being Catholic does not equal "Protestant". Jim Jones was a cult leader, and his "peoples temple" is not classified as being a Protestant sect.
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Postby UBS » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:21 pm

Insaeldor wrote:
UBS wrote:Screw it,everything is violent,no if ands or buts,screw morality

Screw morality? Is that you just quoting the argument or are you being serious? Ether way it quite sad as ether you've just quite debating and left your argument or you're being hypocritical because I'm sure that's not what you were saying in the Abortion thread.

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