Should Women Have to Sign Up For Selective Service Too?

[Tahar Joblis]

Which means that, in all probability, if your paperwork lists you as male and you did so before turning 26, someone who was supposed to check your SSS status didn't do so, probably 2-3 times. (Sometimes, the right / wrong institutions list you as female due to clerical errors somewhere along the line.) You may have lied on your paperwork.

At a minimum, this is true of your financial aid. It may also be true of your government job and driver's license, depending on the type of job and the state you got your license in.

False.

https://fafsa.ed.gov/fotw1314/help/fahelp42.htm
http://www.finaid.org/students/selectiveservice.phtml
https://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm

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[West Pacific]

It'd probably be quite illegal to bar you from voting if you fail to register for Selective Service. This does not mean that failure to register is without its implications.

Technically it is not a crime to not register for the Selective Service. It is however a crime to choose not to register. The only way to punish a person for not registering is to prove that the person made the conscious decision not to register, which means the person has to implicate themself in some way.

[Oceasia]

It's sexist to women because they're being treated as weak cowards who has to be rescued by a handsome knight riding a white horse.
It's sexist to men because they have to defend their country by fighting, while women doesn't have to do that.

So, by being sexist to both sides, the selective service is actually being fair to both sides by doing so.

Mind=Blown

[Chernoslavia]

Yes. They want equality so that would mean having to do things that us men must do.

[West Pacific]

False.

https://fafsa.ed.gov/fotw1314/help/fahelp42.htm
http://www.finaid.org/students/selectiveservice.phtml
https://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm

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And yet I didn't register and I received financial aid. Would you like to guess how this happened or should I spoil the surprise and just tell you? I hinted at it already.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Technically it is not a crime to not register for the Selective Service. It is however a crime to choose not to register. The only way to punish a person for not registering is to prove that the person made the conscious decision not to register, which means the person has to implicate themself in some way.

Yea, I've heard of this before.

As a (fakie, long story) Permanent Resident I wasn't sure whether I was required or not to register, so I registered with my Alien # when I was close to my 18th birthday just in case.

[Tahar Joblis]

https://fafsa.ed.gov/fotw1314/help/fahelp42.htm
http://www.finaid.org/students/selectiveservice.phtml
https://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm

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And yet I didn't register and I received financial aid. Would you like to guess how this happened or should I spoil the surprise and just tell you? I hinted at it already.

I don't care to guess how it happened. I already told you that either you weren't a male under the age of 26, lied, or someone screwed up. (There is, of course, the other option of "I'm not an American and was referring to something entirely different facetiously in a thread referring specifically to the US Selective Service System.")

The important thing - which is to say young men actually do get screwed over in some ways by not registering - is entirely true.

[West Pacific]

And yet I didn't register and I received financial aid. Would you like to guess how this happened or should I spoil the surprise and just tell you? I hinted at it already.

I don't care to guess how it happened. I already told you that either you weren't a male under the age of 26, lied, or someone screwed up. (There is, of course, the other option of "I'm not an American and was referring to something entirely different facetiously in a thread referring specifically to the US Selective Service System.")

The important thing - which is to say young men actually do get screwed over in some ways by not registering - is entirely true.

Ok, if you're going to be like that. I was on active duty within 30 days of turning 18 and I've been in the military ever since. I answered truthfully when asked if I registered and said no and checked the "active military" box on paperwork. Thus I've managed to stay off the grid.

[Lavan Tiri]

Absolutely they should.

Damn straight.

[Cata Larga]

It'd probably be quite illegal to bar you from voting if you fail to register for Selective Service. This does not mean that failure to register is without its implications.

Registration for Selective Service is required to:

• Obtain federal student aid
• Be employed by the federal government
• Obtain federal benefits, including healthcare
• Be eligible for citizenship (if an immigrant)
• Technically, not be thrown in prison, but criminal laws against non-registrants haven't been enforced since the 80s

In addition, in some states and territories, registration is required to:

• Obtain a driver's license or ID card
• Obtain state higher education benefits
• Be employed by the state/territorial government
• Receive state benefits, including healthcare
• In Alaska's case, receive Alaska Permanent Fund dividends

Hopefully this could clear up some misunderstandings about the repercussions for failing to register with Selective Service.

[Divitaen]

Of course women should. It's a simple matter of equality, and many feminists have already started arguing for it. Military service has been argued to be a way of giving back to the nation, and not registering women stems from the misogynistic tradition that women give back to the nation by having children while their masculine husbands do the 'rough work' in the military. It's an abhorrent remnant of patriarchy.

[Atlanticatia]

well, no selective service should exist at all.

but if we had to keep it for some reason, both genders should be required to join.

[Pagan Hungary]

I'd personally prefer for them not to.

[Divitaen]

I'd personally prefer for them not to.

Why? What's wrong with women wanting to serve in the military?

[Pagan Hungary]

I'd personally prefer for them not to.

Why? What's wrong with women wanting to serve in the military?

I just don't see the benefit of having both sexes go to war for their country. It's just the ideals I believe in, I'm sure people are going to just scream "muh patriarchy" or whatever nonsense about it.

[Sebastianbourg]

I though America has abolished the military service! Does this mean my American friends here in the UK are draft-evaders?

[Luziyca]

No, how about getting rid of the Selective service system instead.

Amen.

[Divitaen]

Why? What's wrong with women wanting to serve in the military?

I just don't see the benefit of having both sexes go to war for their country. It's just the ideals I believe in, I'm sure people are going to just scream "muh patriarchy" or whatever nonsense about it.

It's not about some practical benefit, it's a simple matter of equality. I can't quite rationalise in my mind what is so uncomfortable about a woman signing up for the military because she wants to serve her country. You have people like Congresswoman Duckworth who are extremely patriotic veterans. It seems a bit strange to delineate gender roles even in the case of something like military service.

[Wikipedia and Universe]

Either include women in Selective Service, or abolish Selective Service.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ideally, no one, regardless of sex/gender, should be required to sign up for selective service if they don't wish to.

[Rhydosar]

Just abolish it.

[Pagan Hungary]

It's not about some practical benefit, it's a simple matter of equality. I can't quite rationalise in my mind what is so uncomfortable about a woman signing up for the military because she wants to serve her country. You have people like Congresswoman Duckworth who are extremely patriotic veterans. It seems a bit strange to delineate gender roles even in the case of something like military service.

I respect that many want to serve their country I just don't enjoy the idea of them being harmed in combat roles; that's sexist I guess but I'm not planning to stop women from serving country if it's their desire. Physical capabilities come into the equation but it's not the only reasoning for my personal beliefs.

[Divitaen]

It's not about some practical benefit, it's a simple matter of equality. I can't quite rationalise in my mind what is so uncomfortable about a woman signing up for the military because she wants to serve her country. You have people like Congresswoman Duckworth who are extremely patriotic veterans. It seems a bit strange to delineate gender roles even in the case of something like military service.

I respect that many want to serve their country I just don't enjoy the idea of them being harmed in combat roles; that's sexist I guess but I'm not planning to stop women from serving country if it's their desire. Physical capabilities come into the equation but it's not the only reasoning for my personal beliefs.

I guess I can sort of understand. I fundamentally disagree of course, but I have friends who have expressed similar beliefs. I guess I just don't like the idea of pre-judging people on the basis of gender.

[The Sotoan Union]

It's not about some practical benefit, it's a simple matter of equality. I can't quite rationalise in my mind what is so uncomfortable about a woman signing up for the military because she wants to serve her country. You have people like Congresswoman Duckworth who are extremely patriotic veterans. It seems a bit strange to delineate gender roles even in the case of something like military service.

I respect that many want to serve their country I just don't enjoy the idea of them being harmed in combat roles; that's sexist I guess but I'm not planning to stop women from serving country if it's their desire. Physical capabilities come into the equation but it's not the only reasoning for my personal beliefs.

Do women suffer from such physical limitations that they can't be soldiers? I really don't see how. If you personally hate the idea of women being hurt than that's fine, but it's not really fair to allow this to affect other people.

[Faith Hope Charity]

No one should, SS = potential conscription/draft = state slavery.

It is sexist to demand men do it and not women do it, on top of the slavery aspect.