Gamergate, Feminisim, and Journalistic Ethics

[Ifreann]

Yeah, I'm sure this woman who criticises aspects of video games for their sexism was threatened by some totally different misogynists.


No, not really. Though I am amused that you attack others as though that defends Gamergate.

Yeah because you know us funding a feminist game jam and having minority members of the community (homosexuals,true feminists,people of different races) support us with #notyourshield totally make us a homogeneous group of misogynists.

I never said you were a homogeneous group of misogynists. I'm sure lots of people bought the bullshit they came up with to cover their misogyny.

[CTALNH]

Yeah because you know us funding a feminist game jam and having minority members of the community (homosexuals,true feminists,people of different races) support us with #notyourshield totally make us a homogeneous group of misogynists.

I never said you were a homogeneous group of misogynists. I'm sure lots of people bought the bullshit they came up with to cover their misogyny.

Yeah because TB,the internetaristocrat,mundanematt, boogie2988 and many fucking others are stupid and can't see the truth right?

Why don't you stop with the bullshit and come up with an actual fucking argument?

[Memell]

I never said you were a homogeneous group of misogynists. I'm sure lots of people bought the bullshit they came up with to cover their misogyny.

Yeah because TB,the internetaristocrat,mundanematt and boogie2988 are stupid and can't see the truth right?

Why don't you stop with the bullshit and come up with an actual fucking argument?

Obviously because the Supreme Truth of Feminism doesn't require any of its adherents to prove anything they claim.

[Ifreann]

I never said you were a homogeneous group of misogynists. I'm sure lots of people bought the bullshit they came up with to cover their misogyny.

Yeah because TB,the internetaristocrat,mundanematt and boogie2988 are stupid and can't see the truth right?

Probably, yeah.

Why don't you stop with the bullshit and come up with an actual fucking argument?

Why, so you can ignore it?

[CTALNH]

Yeah because TB,the internetaristocrat,mundanematt and boogie2988 are stupid and can't see the truth right?

Probably, yeah.

Why don't you stop with the bullshit and come up with an actual fucking argument?

Why, so you can ignore it?

Your ignorance and pro SJW agenda amuses me.

[Sdaeriji]

Yeah, I'm sure this woman who criticises aspects of video games for their sexism was threatened by some totally different misogynists.


No, not really. Though I am amused that you attack others as though that defends Gamergate.

Yeah because you know us funding a feminist game jam and having minority members of the community (homosexuals,true feminists,people of different races) support us with #notyourshield totally make us a homogeneous group of misogynists.

Totally....

And what the hell are you doing?I tried to explain shit your the one that sits on his chair and does nothing throwing straw-mans at me.

Your complaints about the unfairness of being lumped together with the people issuing rape and death threats sort of ring hollow when you use the actions of a select few feminists to lump all feminists together.

[Ifreann]

Probably, yeah.


Why, so you can ignore it?

Your ignorance

Are you actually advocating a circlejerk?

No but if your not gonna side with us so why should I or any one us keep discussing things with you?

and pro SJW agenda amuses me.

Yeah, social justice is shit, innit?

[CTALNH]

Your ignorance

No but if your not gonna side with us so why should I or any one us keep discussing things with you?

and pro SJW agenda amuses me.

Yeah, social justice is shit, innit?

Your the one that admitted liking them not me.

[Norstal]

I never said you were a homogeneous group of misogynists. I'm sure lots of people bought the bullshit they came up with to cover their misogyny.

Yeah because TB,the internetaristocrat,mundanematt, boogie2988 and many fucking others are stupid and can't see the truth right?

Why don't you stop with the bullshit and come up with an actual fucking argument?

TB is hardly with the Gamergate movement.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah because TB,the internetaristocrat,mundanematt, boogie2988 and many fucking others are stupid and can't see the truth right?

Why don't you stop with the bullshit and come up with an actual fucking argument?

TB is hardly with the Gamergate movement.

Yeah, as far as i know he has distanced himself from it, but still got called all sorts for mentioning Zoe quin and corruption in journalism in a tweet a while back.

[CTALNH]

Yeah because you know us funding a feminist game jam and having minority members of the community (homosexuals,true feminists,people of different races) support us with #notyourshield totally make us a homogeneous group of misogynists.

Totally....

And what the hell are you doing?I tried to explain shit your the one that sits on his chair and does nothing throwing straw-mans at me.

Your complaints about the unfairness of being lumped together with the people issuing rape and death threats sort of ring hollow when you use the actions of a select few feminists to lump all feminists together.

Feminist SJWs and if you cared to read you would understand that I am a feminist too.

[Sdaeriji]

Your complaints about the unfairness of being lumped together with the people issuing rape and death threats sort of ring hollow when you use the actions of a select few feminists to lump all feminists together.

Feminist SJWs and if you cared to read you would understand that I am a feminist too.

So you lump all SJWs in with Sarkeesian, et al?

[CTALNH]

Feminist SJWs and if you cared to read you would understand that I am a feminist too.

So you lump all SJWs in with Sarkeesian, et al?

Tell me one SJW that doesn't act like Sarkeesian.

[Sdaeriji]

So you lump all SJWs in with Sarkeesian, et al?

Tell me one SJW that doesn't act like Sarkeesian.

Tell me one GamerGate supporter that isn't a misogynist.

[Dyakovo]

So you lump all SJWs in with Sarkeesian, et al?

Tell me one SJW that doesn't act like Sarkeesian.

How is Anita Sarkeesian a "SJW"?

[Avenio]

Remember kids, the Gamergate movement totally isn't misogynist. Tooooootallly.

Anita Sarkeesian Cancels Lecture At USU After Threat To Commit School Shooting

An email to Utah State University threatened "the deadliest school shooting in American history" if the school did not cancel a lecture Wednesday morning by a well-known feminist writer and video game critic.

"Feminists have ruined my life, and I will have my revenge, for my sake and the sake of all others they’ve wronged," read the message from a sender who claimed to be a USU student.

The message threatened to rain gunfire and shrapnel upon a lecture by Sarkeesian, who created a feminist video blog and a video series on misogyny in video games. She was scheduled to speak at 11:30 a.m. at the Taggart Student Center Auditorium.

"A Montreal Massacre style attack will be carried out," warned the message, sent to multiple departments and individuals around campus. "I have at my disposal a semi-automatic rifle, multiple pistols, and a collection of pipe bombs."

After consulting with local, state and federal law enforcement agencies, the university decided to host Sarkeesian’s lecture as scheduled, said USU spokesman Tim Vitale. The university planned to increase security for the lecture and forbid backpacks in the auditorium.

However, they wouldn’t forbid guns.

"Requested pat downs or metal detectors after mass shooting threat but because of Utah’s open carry laws, police wouldn’t do firearm searches," Sarkeesian tweeted from the account @femfreq. The writer of the letter goes by the moniker "Marc Lepine," after a shooter who murdered 14 women at a Montreal engineering school in 1989. Lepine, like the writer of the threat to USU, wrote in his suicide note that feminists had ruined his life.

The writer of this week’s threat also complained that "we live in a nation of emasculated cowards too afraid to challenge the vile, misandrist harpies who seek to destroy them. Feminism has taken over every facet of our society, and women like Sarkeesian want to punish us for even fantasizing about being men."

He wrote that increased security was futile.

"Even if they’re able to stop me, there are plenty of feminists on campus who won’t be able to defend themselves," he wrote. "One way or another, I’m going to make sure they die."

Sarkeesian is most famous for her critiques of how women are depicted in video games and popular culture and has received many death threats and terror threats against her speaking engagements. The most serious threats began when a 2012 online harassment campaign targeted her fundraising for the video series, "Tropes vs. Women in Video Games," which examines female stereotypes in the games.

Attacks on Sarkeesian and other women in the gaming industry have escalated along with a controversy that has become casually known as "#gamergate" on social media — but the associated threats have been anything but casual. Law enforcement agencies have opened investigations in multiple states after a dispute over the ethics of a female game designer’s relationship with a gaming journalist exploded into a flurry of rape and death threats.

"Today marks the 3rd time I’ve gone on stage after specific death and bomb threats where issued to an event where I’m scheduled to speak," Sarkeesian tweeted on Saturday, when she spoke at Geek Girl Con in Seattle. A bomb threat also was made at the Game Developers Choice Awards in San Francisco, where Sarkeesian received an award in March. In August, after the release of a new video, Sarkeesian tweeted that her family had been threatened and she was staying with a friend.

The threat sent to USU was particularly graphic.

"Anita Sarkeesian is everything wrong with the feminist woman, and she is going to die screaming like the craven little whore that she is if you let her come to USU," the email states. "I will write my manifesto in her spilled blood, and you will all bear witness to what feminist lies and poison have done to the men of America."

There's also the shitty icing upon an already shitty cake that Utah State University is legally prohibited from restricting firearms on its campus, meaning that they couldn't even up security at the lecture if they wanted to.

[Memell]

Look at the Shield Project on Youtube and you'll see plenty of non-mysoginist people...

[The Black Forrest]

Are you saying you haven't picked a side? Or are you saying we should all ignore you?

I am saying we the gamergate side stop discussing this with people that have already made their minds.

Anti gamer gate? Isn't that just an entrance?

[The Black Forrest]

>Actual Feminism: "We want equal rights and duties!"
>2014 Feminism:" If you disagree with me you are LITERALLY Hitler, the worst mysoginist scum and Satan reborn!!11"

I still don't get what this is about, though. I mean, she faked things to fuel her stuff, let her be punished. What more is there to do?

Tell the media that covered her ass that we are displeased?

Why did they take pictures of her ass?

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>Actual Feminism: "We want equal rights and duties!"
>2014 Feminism:" If you disagree with me you are LITERALLY Hitler, the worst mysoginist scum and Satan reborn!!11"

You uppity bitches can vote, what more do you want, amirite?

[Zaldakki]

This thread has a garden path title that needs to be changed. At first I thought it meant this thread is about Gamergate/Feminism being present in a separate gaming thread. But this thread is actually just about Gamergate/Feminism in gaming itself.

[Gravlen]

Sorry, no. You didn't. I have no idea who you're talking about, and who you think I support, but regardless, stupid comparisons still aren't worse than threats of rape and murder.


And apparently demand excuses.

Do try to keep up: You asked where you had asked for apologies, when I was talking about how GamerGate demands apologies for certain publications daring to feature opinion pieces. That's where you find answers.

So I ask again: What have the publications actually done which warrants boycotts? Why do they have to apologize?


I would like you to explain why you feel the need to fight against SJW influences and explain what said influences are. You still haven't done either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEv-zt ... M2osoAitjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU64c0_nZ7E&list=UUPYhQZ_cJ9zJdlLx38Bk7xA&index=21

That said, how about trying to explain why you feel the need to fight against SJW influences and explain what said influences are?

[Hirota]

Tell me one SJW that doesn't act like Sarkeesian.

Tell me one GamerGate supporter that isn't a misogynist.

You probably won't believe me if I said me. So I'll say these three women had a webcast about it.

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segmen ... 71ff000157

Kudos to the huff for having the integrity to actually make a genuine effort to show both sides of the issue.

[Gravlen]

I posted my historical motivations on why I was sympathetic to GamerGate earlier (and they go far further back than you'd claim). I suggest you read it. ZQ was the straw that broke the camels back for many. Even then, I personally didn't form an opinion until a couple of weeks ago having observed some of the behavior on both sides of the debate.

You can quibble over my opinion on the timeline and how incorrect it might or might not be, or you can read a decent account of it.

http://www.historyofgamergate.com/

And it starts:

On August 15, 2014, the ex-boyfriend of game developer Zoe Quinn posted a Wordpress blog entitled The Zoe Post. In it, he detailed information pertaining to their relationship, including chat logs he felt showed how she emotionally abused him. Also included was a list of 5 men he claimed she had cheated on him with.

...just as I said.

Personally, I recommend this one:

http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844

[Hirota]

And it starts:

On August 15, 2014, the ex-boyfriend of game developer Zoe Quinn posted a Wordpress blog entitled The Zoe Post. In it, he detailed information pertaining to their relationship, including chat logs he felt showed how she emotionally abused him. Also included was a list of 5 men he claimed she had cheated on him with.

Yes it does start like that, but lets read the entire paragraph and get some intelligent context shall we?
And then it continues...

Hell Hath No Fury Like a Lover Scorned, as the adage goes. A scandalous and inflammatory story, it is little wonder critics of her game and character were drawn to the accusations. This was the beginning of the movement that would take off to become Gamer Gate, a fact that critics of the movement would latch onto as proof of ill intent towards women in the industry. This would be used to attempt to discredit the entire movement time and time again. To say however that Gamer Gate is is caused by Zoe Quinn is like saying World War One was caused by Arch Duke Ferdinand.
It was not that a female game developer had a series of affairs. This became something more than the escapades of an unfaithful lover. It was the revelation of who some of these men were that she was having affairs with. Several prominent members of the independent games scene, including judges of awards that she had won. But it was one of those five names that would prove to be the catalyst for a gaming culture war that had been on the verge of eruption for some time. That name was Nathan Grayson. This name is important because he is a journalist for one of the most visited gaming sites online, Kotaku. Prior to that Grayson wrote for Rock Paper Shotgun, another popular outlet.

(emphasis my own)
This part in bold perfectly tallies with my statement that:

ZQ was the straw that broke the camels back for many.

I suggest you read the entire thing, rather than trying to clumsily cherry pick sentences which you'd like to try and use to justify your perspective, which anyone can dismantle in moments. But, then again, having a wider perspective of the issues isn't going to help your cause is it.

Personally, I recommend this one:
http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844

Again, you should try and read.

(A necessary disclosure: Kotaku is Deadspin's sister site. Both are owned by Gawker Media.)

Do you really expect a gawker sister site to be capable of neutrality? You expect it to be considered credible by those campaigning against corruption in the gaming industry

It's almost so daft it's adorable. I know you'd like to pretend that I'm clueless (on this particular matter), but really, with these two gems, it's demonstrated that I'm not the only one by a mile. It's my turn to be disappointed Grav old bean.