Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:07 am
Saint Jade IV wrote:Scepez wrote:
Sure you can worry. A man can worry too if some random chick would jump out a bush a slit his throat because of last night.
Name 2 cases this year where this has happened.Scepez wrote:All I see is just a giant whining campaign.
How terrible of me to question why this crime occurred under these circumstances and highlighting the experience of women. I'm so sorry that I apparently am whining, because I have a problem with the attitude that men are entitled to my body.Scepez wrote:Yes, this was a horrible incident. Yes, the guy was a crazy dick.
I'm glad you see that. It's a shame you don't think it worthwhile to investigate why this particular incident was a trigger for him choosing to shoot people. I mean, the fact that earlier this year we had a man whose trigger was eerily similar go on a killing spree is in no way related. Nuh uh. They're just crazy people. Yep. Case closed.Scepez wrote:We know all of this, it's not like the police would have ignored this because of the backstory.
Did I at any point suggest the police were ignoring it? But, since you bring police up, I do wonder if the fact that the message police so frequently give young women is to change our behaviour to avoid rapists, and "unwanted attention" by not being in public might have contributed to this man's belief that women in public were his to claim.Scepez wrote:No-body is saying this is justified, but thinking most men are like this
Nowhere have I said this. In fact, I've been pretty clear about the fact that a majority of men do not go to these extremes.Scepez wrote:and that have women have the right to punch, kick and then put his salami in a deep frier if he DARES to say a suggestive comment,
Women do have a right to self-defence. And there is a difference between a suggestive comment, and repeatedly badgering a woman who has made it clear she has no interest.Scepez wrote:at a Pub, where you willingly went to, knowing exactly that you will get those comments.
And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. How DARE women expect to be able to be in a public venue, without being harassed and sexually assaulted. I mean, really, if you are going to a public venue to socialise with your friends, it's almost the same as consenting to have random men grope and harass you.
I mean, it's cute that you think you're people, with rights and all that. But never forget, you're just our playthings. We'll tell you where you can go, and how you can behave.Scepez wrote:
Sadly to say it's true.
I'm going to go off and bash my own gender for a change and say most men go to those pubs to do these sort of things. Again not all do, but a decent chunk.
This kind of stuff is inevitable. I could propose a couple of women only Pubs, where they can go to if they don't want to be looked at and get any comments, but then I would be grilled with saying I want to isolate women, which I don't, but that's what I would get.
Wouldn't it be funny if we applied the same logic to those engaging in sit-ins in the Deep South? I mean, like, if they didn't want to be assaulted and maybe murdered, they could have just sat in the Coloured section like good little n******. It's not really like those actions changed a racist mentality, or made things better for African Americans in southern states after all.
Women get seen as a sexually desirable partners.
Whining about how they are is one massive excercise in privilege blindness and tone deafness.
"We have more social capital than you in this area! WAHHHHH!!!!!"
When you couple that with their typical passivity (not all women, just most of them.) it gets incredibly tedious and impossible to take their complaints about getting hit on seriously. Especially when so many of them just sit here, do nothing, and fume silently when a guy they like doesn't approach them.
Shockingly, maybe low-self esteem and desperation can drive people to do crazy and insane shit.
Did it occur to you that if women as a whole didn't find 80% of men unnattractive (Compared to the bell curve males use)
and that maybe if women didn't also engage in real manism so much
"You're a virgin? Something wrong with you. Why don't more women like you? Clearly defective."
That maybe people wouldn't think their worthihood as a member of the species relies on getting laid and shoot someone for condemning them to second class citizenship status.
But no, that'd require women to fix their own problems.
And clearly, that's just misogyny. Far better for women to whine about being passive, and demand other people change for them.
This guy was a nutter.
Either through a slow buildup and breakdown, or just flipping his shit one day, or having always been crazy.
MAYBE, if men were allowed to ask for help and seek psychiatric help, he wouldn't have shot this woman.
Complaining a black slave one day goes crazy and kills masters kids?
Sounds a bit fucking ridiculous.