Suits

[Themiclesia]

I think you may have a point, but the solutions you propose are impracticable.

Leather clothing is formal in the historical era in which the Game of Thrones is based. The definition of 'formal' has simply changed over time. Suits that resemble modern ones in the early 19th Century can be colourful and expressive; perhaps that definition will evolve as time goes on from now. Judges' robes (the bright red set) are based off the correct court uniform in England in the 13th Century. Leather is expensive, and requires lots of maintenance, if one stays outdoors as much as those in the story do.

China is a great counter-example to your argument; historically, she has one of the most developed uniform cultures in the world. Officials regularly count in excess of 5 sets of distinct uniforms to be used with their own peripheral garments under specific occasions. They can't even wear normal clothes at home or shopping, but the 'casual uniform'. Appearing in the wrong clothing can get an official to lose a portion of his salary.

[Warpspace]

Edna told me capes are bad. And I am not a Klingon

Klingons aren't all bad. A bat'leth is pretty fucking frightening.

Not really. It's at least usuable unlike a lot of fictional weapons, but you're better off with a bastard sword and shield.

[Charellia]

Suits are pointless and illogical, but unfortunately changing cultural expectation is a long difficult process. Cultural practices cannot simply be legislated away. The good news is that people, particularly younger people, are waking up to the pointlessness of formal dress and moving away from such cultural practices. In a generation or two the suit and tie will likely be an extreme rarity if it is worn at all.

[Cerillium]

Well said. You put what I was thinking into words I would never have been able to organize as a coherent statement.

Thanks.

All that aside, I wear PJ bottoms and a comfy tee shirt when I telecommute from home.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

[Infected Mushroom]

I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

they are a threat on the right to dress freely and take charge of your personal appearance through the imposition of expectation with the iron fist of the market and the unemployment hammer...

[Hanchu]

I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

I like suits their nice a warm in the winter

[Infected Mushroom]

Suits are pointless and illogical, but unfortunately changing cultural expectation is a long difficult process. Cultural practices cannot simply be legislated away. The good news is that people, particularly younger people, are waking up to the pointlessness of formal dress and moving away from such cultural practices. In a generation or two the suit and tie will likely be an extreme rarity if it is worn at all.

This.

I largely agree with this.

[Infected Mushroom]

I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

I like suits their nice a warm in the winter

Coats, jackets and sweaters all perform this function far better and they are low maintenance.

The tie doesn't even warm your neck, you've got scarves optimized for such operations.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

they are a threat on the right to dress freely and take charge of your personal appearance through the imposition of expectation with the iron fist of the market and the unemployment hammer...

OH MY GOD HOW DARE AN EMPLOYER EXPECT YOU TO DRESS RESPECTABLY WHILE IN A PROFESSIONAL SETTING.
pfffft.
I wear a uniform every day. I don't get a choice on tailoring, color, shoes, or anything else. But that's the job I choose to do. And in a couple years, when my boss makes me is AROFC I will be switching from that uniform, to having to go between a suit and a different uniform.

[United Marxist Nations]

These should be considered acceptable attire:

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[Charellia]

they are a threat on the right to dress freely and take charge of your personal appearance through the imposition of expectation with the iron fist of the market and the unemployment hammer...

OH MY GOD HOW DARE AN EMPLOYER EXPECT YOU TO DRESS RESPECTABLY WHILE IN A PROFESSIONAL SETTING.
pfffft.
I wear a uniform every day. I don't get a choice on tailoring, color, shoes, or anything else. But that's the job I choose to do. And in a couple years, when my boss makes me is AROFC I will be switching from that uniform, to having to go between a suit and a different uniform.

Respectable dress is arbitrary and thus pointless.

Uniforms are a little different since they are used to identify you as an employee and thus serve a purpose.

[Avenio]

I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

I can't speak for everyone, but I dislike them because I overheat really easily. I can barely wear a sweater the whole day without cooking, and suits originate from way back in the dark ages before interior climate control in buildings. I can handle wearing them for about an hour or so before spontaneously combusting.

[Rhodisia]

The tie doesn't even warm your neck, you've got scarves optimized for such operations.

The necktie comes from the cravat. The cravat was a long piece of cloth worn round the neck by Croatian mercenaries in the service of the French king as part of his bodyguards - its original purpose was to keep cold air from blowing down and into the torso section, and to prevent accumulated body heat from rising up and out of their heavy coats. Having a cravat implied that you were trusted by the king, and therefore were at a higher social station than mere commoners.

[Infected Mushroom]

The tie doesn't even warm your neck, you've got scarves optimized for such operations.

The necktie comes from the cravat. The cravat was a long piece of cloth worn round the neck by Croatian mercenaries in the service of the French king as part of his bodyguards - its original purpose was to keep cold air from blowing down and into the torso section, and to prevent accumulated body heat from rising up and out of their heavy coats. Having a cravat implied that you were trusted by the king, and therefore were at a higher social station than mere commoners.

it seems decidedly obsolete by this point in history

the only thing that's still keeping it relevant is a pointless and inconvenient social expectation

[Distruzio]

I wear a suit everyday. It's the gentlemanly thing to do.

[The Matthew Islands]

I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

they are a threat on the right to dress freely and take charge of your personal appearance through the imposition of expectation with the iron fist of the market and the unemployment hammer...

Don't worry, there are other jobs out there. You'l get there someday.

[Ifreann]

S U I T S
are my favorite things.
A man in a well-fitting suit is automatically on my list of people to give a blo--
Er... well you understand. Suits are nice and my ideal world would be men wearing suits all the time.

One imagines that would keep you rather busy.

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I don't have a real problem with suits, but ties need to go. They're just a safety hazard with an elevator or printer waiting to happen. Plus dads need no longer worry about getting really shitty Father's Day gifts.

Are we going to stop wearing socks, too?

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I think you may have a point, but the solutions you propose are impracticable.

And also he doesn't have a point.

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I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

It's, like, oppression or something for people to be expected to dress well for an interview. Unless they're expected to dress like Charles Dance, then it's fine.

[Hanchu]

I like suits their nice a warm in the winter

Coats, jackets and sweaters all perform this function far better and they are low maintenance.

The tie doesn't even warm your neck, you've got scarves optimized for such operations.

I cant stand scarves , they itch like hell and they are way to warm .
Besides ties look better

[Arcturus Novus]

People look at least 30% more attractive in suits. I say we keep them.

[Zaldakki]

A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for interviewers to pass judgment on you that's why (increased probability they'll see an undershirt if you're not ''man enough'' to stand the cold in the interview room)!

What? My uniform at school is a white dress shirt and tie, and people judge me for not wearing an undershirt. I hate undershirts because I overheat in them.

[Fartsniffage]

it seems decidedly obsolete by this point in history

the only thing that's still keeping it relevant is a pointless and inconvenient social expectation

It also gives you an easy out when buying chirstmas presents for uncles.

[Cyrisnia]

I'd do alot of things to be able to wear Polish/Bavarian Napoleonic Dress, you know.
Or the Austrian Grenzers.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I don't understand why people hate suits so much? I have worn suits before, for fun. And let me remind you that women's suits are tighter, more rigid, and I wore 4+ inch heels with them. They aren't bad.

I can't speak for everyone, but I dislike them because I overheat really easily. I can barely wear a sweater the whole day without cooking, and suits originate from way back in the dark ages before interior climate control in buildings. I can handle wearing them for about an hour or so before spontaneously combusting.

We need more lightweight suits, in that case. Trust me I'm the same way, I'm a miniskirt-in-snow kind of girl, and I prefer to just be naked and submerged in ice in the summer.

[Immoren]

Unless they're expected to dress like Charles Dance, then it's fine.

Didn't actually expect to see Charles dance.