Russian Federation (And other forms of Russia)

[United Marxist Nations]

RSFSR would likely have done much better than RF has done.

Debatable but understandable considering your beliefs and ideals.

I just think so considering that the economy of RF went downhill for a good decade, and the USSR's economy was just stagnant. Of course, it would have experienced some trouble due to loss of USSR's resources, but when Belarus returned to a partially planned economy, it got better much faster than Russia did.

[The balkens]

Debatable but understandable considering your beliefs and ideals.

I just think so considering that the economy of RF went downhill for a good decade, and the USSR's economy was just stagnant. Of course, it would have experienced some trouble due to loss of USSR's resources, but when Belarus returned to a partially planned economy, it got better much faster than Russia did.

You mean command economy right?

[United Marxist Nations]

I just think so considering that the economy of RF went downhill for a good decade, and the USSR's economy was just stagnant. Of course, it would have experienced some trouble due to loss of USSR's resources, but when Belarus returned to a partially planned economy, it got better much faster than Russia did.

You mean command economy right?

Belarus has a partially planned economy, not a fully planned. It's about 50/50 IIRC.

[The balkens]

You mean command economy right?

Belarus has a partially planned economy, not a fully planned. It's about 50/50 IIRC.

Ah.

Danke Kamerad UMN

[United Marxist Nations]

Belarus has a partially planned economy, not a fully planned. It's about 50/50 IIRC.

Ah.

Danke Kamerad UMN

*Спасибо, товарищ УМН.

[Seraven]

No. No, it really isnt.

^^^

Yeah, well we don't know...

[Cata Larga]

Well... My opinion of Russia is not very good. Terrible, in fact. More than terrible, really. It's really very, very, very low. Because, well... Russia's never really on its best behavior, is it?

[/trying to phrase it in the most polite way possible]

[Greater Weselton]

This Santa looks Russian:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neVDDJP0K8A&list=UUKqFNnSkKAVYPHo72vZQN4A

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Well... My opinion of Russia is not very good. Terrible, in fact. More than terrible, really. It's really very, very, very low. Because, well... Russia's never really on its best behavior, is it?

[/trying to phrase it in the most polite way possible]

You shouldn't disregard the entirety of Russian culture and history due to current politics.

Any decent biography of Peter the Great is well worth the read, for instance. It's really hard to dislike a guy who held one of the world's longest parties.

[Cata Larga]

Well... My opinion of Russia is not very good. Terrible, in fact. More than terrible, really. It's really very, very, very low. Because, well... Russia's never really on its best behavior, is it?

[/trying to phrase it in the most polite way possible]

You shouldn't disregard the entirety of Russian culture and history due to current politics.

Any decent biography of Peter the Great is well worth the read, for instance. It's really hard to dislike a guy who held one of the world's longest parties.

Perhaps, but, well... It's hard to celebrate the culture of a country that has a long history of autocracy (or, at best, oligarchy) which it continues to uphold, at least as a Westerner.

Though their major role in the fall of Nazi Germany is much appreciated, historically speaking.

[Grand Russian Federation]

You shouldn't disregard the entirety of Russian culture and history due to current politics.

Any decent biography of Peter the Great is well worth the read, for instance. It's really hard to dislike a guy who held one of the world's longest parties.

Perhaps, but, well... It's hard to celebrate the culture of a country that has a long history of autocracy (or, at best, oligarchy) which it continues to uphold, at least as a Westerner.

Though their major role in the fall of Nazi Germany is much appreciated, historically speaking.

Culture is separate from politics.

Don't bash them just because Russian rulers are, as you say, autocrats or oligarchs.
Even then those autocrat days are far gone.

[Cata Larga]

Perhaps, but, well... It's hard to celebrate the culture of a country that has a long history of autocracy (or, at best, oligarchy) which it continues to uphold, at least as a Westerner.

Though their major role in the fall of Nazi Germany is much appreciated, historically speaking.

Culture is separate from politics.

Don't bash them just because Russian rulers are, as you say, autocrats or oligarchs.
Even then those autocrat days are far gone.

Well, looking at Putin, it seems their specter's still around, at least.

[Maldovania]

I like Russia

I like the Russian people

i like Russian history

i like Russian culture

There is a lot of stuff i like about Russia


But i don`t like the Russian government

that is all i will say

[Roski]

I like Russia

I like the Russian people

i like Russian history

i like Russian culture

There is a lot of stuff i like about Russia


But i don`t like the Russian government

that is all i will say

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Insaeldor]

#SergeyMironov2018!

[Jetan]

1) And it was an incorrect one as he very clearly specifies Crimea.
2)If you don't mind I'll drop this one as we've gone through the whole de facto vs de jure thing plenty of times before. I doubt either of us will convince the other.
3) And according to Shofercias logic all I need to do is rig the election and then claim that I would have won anyway, so it's totally okay.
4) You are the one constructing strawmen here. You asked if I'd support a democratic referendum in Crimea and I answered I would if Ukraine agreed to it. You then proceeded to talk about murderous government and when called out on your bullshit just started your usual mantra of "strawman, skillful strawman!".
5) A simple yes or no. How hard can that be? I'm dissapointed Shof.
6) And you on the other hand are god's gift to NSG.

1. He said "will of the people" not "referendum". Do you not comprehend that the will of the people can be expressed when said people answer polling questions?
2. Mine's factually correct, if you want to live in a world without facts, go for it!
3. Not what I said. My point was that if the person who won a rigged election would've won a fair election, and we have clear evidence of that, the election expresses the will of the people, even if it's rigged.
4. I'm just going to post the quotes, since I'm tired of your bullshit:

Me: "Nice try to get out of the situation you put yourself in, but no cigar, so let me cut through the potentially grotesque amount of bullshit and ask you straight up: if Crimea holds a referendum that's as democratic as the Californian Proposition Process vote, (I challenge anyone to find a more democratic event,) would you accept those results, even if they are to unite with Russia?"
You: "If the referendum was approved of before the fact by Ukraine (in similiar vein as the Scottish referendum was approved of before the fact by UK) then ofcourse I would."
Me: "Oh, so if you have a murderous government, from whom the people want to secede, they have to first get said government's approval. And if the government opts to kill the delegation instead? Oh wait, you wouldn't care about that, nevermind."
You: "Because Ukraine was totes murdering Crimean inhabitants when Russia walzed in and occupied the place. Oh wait..."
Me: "I was providing yet another example of the stupidity of the claim that one must first get approval from the central government before secession. I wasn't actually claiming that war occurred in Crimea. Nice strawman though."

5. I was pointing out that your post was condescending towards Africa; I wasn't equating condescension with standards of living.
6. Considering that I'm a Christian, that I believe that every life is a Gift, and that I post on NSG, thank you! It's funny, you're trying to be sarcastic, but you end up making a decent statement. Thank you for that.

1. "As for Crimea - people of that peninsula expressed their will to re-unite with Russia." Do continue saying it was not about Crimea. Really, it's getting entertaining.
2. Ah, Should have know agreeing to disagree is too sophisticated for you. No, yours is not 2factually correct" it is your own opinion and preference and nothing more.
3. Be that as it may it is irrelevant. If that position is accepted as the prevailing one sooner or later someone will try to abuse it.
4. Do go on. That just proves me correct.
5. So what if it's condescending or not? That's completely irrelevant. Yes or No please.
6. It was not an "attempt", how ever you want to spin it but sure.

[Geilinor]

Culture is separate from politics.

Don't bash them just because Russian rulers are, as you say, autocrats or oligarchs.
Even then those autocrat days are far gone.

Well, looking at Putin, it seems their specter's still around, at least.

He's not as autocratic as previous rulers.

[Costa Fierro]

Debatable but understandable considering your beliefs and ideals.

I just think so considering that the economy of RF went downhill for a good decade, and the USSR's economy was just stagnant. Of course, it would have experienced some trouble due to loss of USSR's resources, but when Belarus returned to a partially planned economy, it got better much faster than Russia did.

Belarus was better off financially and economically than Russia was at the beginning of the 90's. It was also better developed, which meant that it didn't (and still doesn't) have the same issues with regards to infrastructure that Russia is still dealing with.

[Shofercia]

1. He said "will of the people" not "referendum". Do you not comprehend that the will of the people can be expressed when said people answer polling questions?
2. Mine's factually correct, if you want to live in a world without facts, go for it!
3. Not what I said. My point was that if the person who won a rigged election would've won a fair election, and we have clear evidence of that, the election expresses the will of the people, even if it's rigged.
4. I'm just going to post the quotes, since I'm tired of your bullshit:

Me: "Nice try to get out of the situation you put yourself in, but no cigar, so let me cut through the potentially grotesque amount of bullshit and ask you straight up: if Crimea holds a referendum that's as democratic as the Californian Proposition Process vote, (I challenge anyone to find a more democratic event,) would you accept those results, even if they are to unite with Russia?"
You: "If the referendum was approved of before the fact by Ukraine (in similiar vein as the Scottish referendum was approved of before the fact by UK) then ofcourse I would."
Me: "Oh, so if you have a murderous government, from whom the people want to secede, they have to first get said government's approval. And if the government opts to kill the delegation instead? Oh wait, you wouldn't care about that, nevermind."
You: "Because Ukraine was totes murdering Crimean inhabitants when Russia walzed in and occupied the place. Oh wait..."
Me: "I was providing yet another example of the stupidity of the claim that one must first get approval from the central government before secession. I wasn't actually claiming that war occurred in Crimea. Nice strawman though."

5. I was pointing out that your post was condescending towards Africa; I wasn't equating condescension with standards of living.
6. Considering that I'm a Christian, that I believe that every life is a Gift, and that I post on NSG, thank you! It's funny, you're trying to be sarcastic, but you end up making a decent statement. Thank you for that.

1. "As for Crimea - people of that peninsula expressed their will to re-unite with Russia." Do continue saying it was not about Crimea. Really, it's getting entertaining.
2. Ah, Should have know agreeing to disagree is too sophisticated for you. No, yours is not 2factually correct" it is your own opinion and preference and nothing more.
3. Be that as it may it is irrelevant. If that position is accepted as the prevailing one sooner or later someone will try to abuse it.
4. Do go on. That just proves me correct.
5. So what if it's condescending or not? That's completely irrelevant. Yes or No please.
6. It was not an "attempt", how ever you want to spin it but sure.

1. It was partially about Crimea. The Will of the People in Crimea. And the DonBass Republic. But yeah, he did say Will of the People in the Crimea. That's been my point all long.
2. The fact that Crimea's status is de facto Russian, and de jure, disputed, is a fact. It's not up for debate. Russia factually controls the peninsula.
3. My point was that just because an election was rigged, doesn't mean that the most popular candidate didn't win. If a person wins with 70% of the vote, and only 15% of the election could be rigged, then said person clearly won, because the worst case scenario, in my hypo, is him/her getting 55% of the vote. That's my point. You not only have to prove that an election was rigged, but you also have to prove that said election's rigging led to the defeat of a party that would otherwise emerged victorious. That's my point. It's not about systematic abuse.
4. I'll leave that up to the reader to decide, but you can continue with the "hurr durr I b right!"
5. My point was that it was condescending, and that some of the countries on your "shitlist" are countries that I'd love to visit and even live in. That was my entire point; what am I supposed to respond to with a "yes" or "no"?
6. Oh, so you intended for that to not be sarcastic? Well done!

[Lyttenburg]

Belarus was better off financially and economically than Russia was at the beginning of the 90's. It was also better developed, which meant that it didn't (and still doesn't) have the same issues with regards to infrastructure that Russia is still dealing with.

Say, what? Care to prove all these... bold claims? About Belarus being "better developed" than Russia, etc?

[Lyttenburg]

It looks like Russia will get "Mistrals" after all:

Rogozin named the date of "Mistrals" transfer to Russian

France intends to transfer the first heli-carrie "Mistral" to Russia on November 14th. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

" "Rosoboronexport" received an invitation to visit Saint-Nazaire on November 14 , where there are already present 360 Russian sailors of the crew and 60 specialist trainers" - said Rogozin. According to him, on this day will be held the transfer of the ship "Vladivostok" and the launching of the second heli-carrier "Sevastopol".

Rogozin praised the preparations for the execution of the contract. "We proceed from the fact that France itself must defend its own reputation as a reliable partner, including in matters of military cooperation," - said Deputy Prime Minister.

October 28 French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said that the final decision on the transfer of Russian helicopter "Vladivostok" type "Mistral" will be made in November.

Russophobes - you can already start buying "Pampers" for yourself. Just in case.

[The balkens]

It looks like Russia will get "Mistrals" after all:

Rogozin named the date of "Mistrals" transfer to Russian

France intends to transfer the first heli-carrie "Mistral" to Russia on November 14th. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

" "Rosoboronexport" received an invitation to visit Saint-Nazaire on November 14 , where there are already present 360 Russian sailors of the crew and 60 specialist trainers" - said Rogozin. According to him, on this day will be held the transfer of the ship "Vladivostok" and the launching of the second heli-carrier "Sevastopol".

Rogozin praised the preparations for the execution of the contract. "We proceed from the fact that France itself must defend its own reputation as a reliable partner, including in matters of military cooperation," - said Deputy Prime Minister.

October 28 French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said that the final decision on the transfer of Russian helicopter "Vladivostok" type "Mistral" will be made in November.

Russophobes - you can already start buying "Pampers" for yourself. Just in case.

Good thing the Russian Navy is shit compared to its western counterparts.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Since it wasn't addressed, a curiosity question about the Crimean referendum and vote rigging; viewtopic.php?p=21994123#p21994123.

Any responses Shof, Lyt?

[Espresso and Insanity]

I don't like Russia's government, I'll say that much.

[United Marxist Nations]

Since it wasn't addressed, a curiosity question about the Crimean referendum and vote rigging; viewtopic.php?p=21994123#p21994123.

Any responses Shof, Lyt?

I don't have much time and am on my phone, but I'll just say that, according to Pew Research, 88% of Crimeans want Kiev to recognize the referendum ( http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08/des ... ssia-0-05/ ), and IIRC, this was also roughly the reported turnout (if I'm wrong, correct me); we know that there was an active campaign by pro-Ukrainians to boycott the vote. Thus, it actually isn't entirely unfeasible that the vote wasn't rigged.