Russian Federation (And other forms of Russia)

[United Marxist Nations]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNb54rwDQJM

The song that i mentioned.

Absolutely astounding, Russia was lucky to have Leonid Kharitinov in its red army choir.

Picked a great recording of it. Though, I'm a bit more partial to his performance at the concert hall with Brezhnev.

[The balkens]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNb54rwDQJM

The song that i mentioned.

Absolutely astounding, Russia was lucky to have Leonid Kharitinov in its red army choir.

Picked a great recording of it. Though, I'm a bit more partial to his performance at the concert hall with Brezhnev.

Ah, yes, Herr Kharitov made him cry didnt he?

[United Marxist Nations]

Picked a great recording of it. Though, I'm a bit more partial to his performance at the concert hall with Brezhnev.

Ah, yes, Herr Kharitov made him cry didnt he?

Yes, with "Утес", a beautiful song.

[The balkens]

Ah, yes, Herr Kharitov made him cry didnt he?

Yes, with "Утес", a beautiful song.

If only i was there, masterful piece of singing. The cliff was also a favorite of mine in my Russophile days. i still listen to it, the song of the Cossack's is also quite the piece.

[Lytenburgh]

I actually like Russia as a country. But, the government is a different story, that does not mean I dont understand it. Or try to. The Russians have contributed much to art, history, dance and science but yet are only remembered for Communism in the States.

If you are different (or am I wrong?) then what do you know about Russia's "contribution to art, history, dance and science" especially in the modern times?

I feel like a strong and independent Russia is a benefit to everyone as if they were economically strong they would not be so aggressive in foreign policies.

In simple terms, the country just seems to have a never ending stream of bad luck. They dont have much history of democratic government

Hold on - are you equating "democracy" with a "good luck"? Russians certainly disagree. Especially after Yeltsin.

they were ruled for something like seventy years of the USSR, the Tsars before them and If I am not incorrect, I believe the Mongols before them.

Russians were neve "ruled" by Mongols. We paid them tribute and they allowed us to rule themselves. And what is wrong with being ruled by "Tsars"? How many republics (and democratic to boot!) there were in 16th century?

Thing is war, political corruption ect really hold the people back. I mean, are they not rich in natural gas and resources, have ample amounts of gold and oil and a healthy sized population?

Sometimes I wonder how they have as much trouble as they do.

Please, tell me, what "trouble" I have.

If anyone here could help me better understand the problems over there I would appreciate it.

Try learn Russian. Its a good start and a buetiful language.

[The Rebel Alliances]

I actually like Russia as a country. But, the government is a different story, that does not mean I dont understand it. Or try to. The Russians have contributed much to art, history, dance and science but yet are only remembered for Communism in the States.

If you are different (or am I wrong?) then what do you know about Russia's "contribution to art, history, dance and science" especially in the modern times?

I feel like a strong and independent Russia is a benefit to everyone as if they were economically strong they would not be so aggressive in foreign policies.

In simple terms, the country just seems to have a never ending stream of bad luck. They dont have much history of democratic government

Hold on - are you equating "democracy" with a "good luck"? Russians certainly disagree. Especially after Yeltsin.

they were ruled for something like seventy years of the USSR, the Tsars before them and If I am not incorrect, I believe the Mongols before them.

Russians were neve "ruled" by Mongols. We paid them tribute and they allowed us to rule themselves. And what is wrong with being ruled by "Tsars"? How many republics (and democratic to boot!) there were in 16th century?

Thing is war, political corruption ect really hold the people back. I mean, are they not rich in natural gas and resources, have ample amounts of gold and oil and a healthy sized population?

Sometimes I wonder how they have as much trouble as they do.

Please, tell me, what "trouble" I have.

If anyone here could help me better understand the problems over there I would appreciate it.

Try learn Russian. Its a good start and a buetiful language.

I am no expert of their contributions but a couple well known examples are the areas of dance and how they made it to space first. I have read about them before a few months back, but have forgotten most. Outside of the US, the country I know most about is China.

Not really, democracy took centuries of work to build to the current level in which many western nations now have, but what I meant by bad luck was leaders such as Ivan, arguably Stalin and the communist Revolution, famines, millions dead the invasion by the Nazis causing upwards 25 million deaths, economic collapse ect.

Thanks for clearing that up about the Mongols.

I would classify the current troubles to what most have likely pointed out. Rampant violence against minorities, international aggression which I actually understand, but that does not = helpful to Russia. Economic troubles ect.

Also, I am learning Mandaran. One language at a time.

[Roski]

Lyt - do you know someplace a westerner could learn spoken Russian, as opposed to formal Russian?

[Lytenburgh]

I am no expert of their contributions but a couple well known examples are the areas of dance and how they made it to space first. I have read about them before a few months back, but have forgotten most. Outside of the US, the country I know most about is China.

Gee! I like it when some foreingner states obligatory "Russia contributed soooooo much!" and then it runs out, s/he knows nothing about it. Then your compliment is worthless.

Not really, democracy took centuries of work to build to the current level in which many western nations now have, but what I meant by bad luck was leaders such as Ivan, arguably Stalin and the communist Revolution, famines, millions dead the invasion by the Nazis causing upwards 25 million deaths, economic collapse ect.

Oh, so Nazi's invasion was just a "bad luck"? Was Holocaust also "a bad luck" by chance?

I would classify the current troubles to what most have likely pointed out. Rampant violence against minorities, international aggression which I actually understand, but that does not = helpful to Russia. Economic troubles ect.

Wait a minute - "rampant violence against minorities"? How? Why I'm sitting here in Moscow can't see any mass-lynching of "minorities", don't see corpses of the victims hanging from lamposts when I go through a city? Care to eleborate here?

As for economic troubles - when was the last time you chekeche out Ukraine's?

[Lytenburgh]

Lyt - do you know someplace a westerner could learn spoken Russian, as opposed to formal Russian?

It's pretty much the same as with other languages - first, learn "fromal" language, then find the press/popular blogs/other Media sources
to enlarge your vocabularly. Then start talking with actual Russians.

But as for you Roski, you don't know even the "classic" Russian.

[Roski]

Lyt - do you know someplace a westerner could learn spoken Russian, as opposed to formal Russian?

It's pretty much the same as with other languages - first, learn "fromal" language, then find the press/popular blogs/other Media sources
to enlarge your vocabularly. Then start talking with actual Russians.

But as for you Roski, you don't know even the "classic" Russian.

I know, I was hoping to skip the the formal Russian and go right to spoken russian, but I suppose I can't.

Darn

[Roski]

Lyt - do you know someplace a westerner could learn spoken Russian, as opposed to formal Russian?

It's pretty much the same as with other languages - first, learn "fromal" language, then find the press/popular blogs/other Media sources
to enlarge your vocabularly. Then start talking with actual Russians.

But as for you Roski, you don't know even the "classic" Russian.

If I were to learn Russian, should I learn the Cryllic Alphabet first, or will that not matter at all?

[The Rebel Alliances]

I am no expert of their contributions but a couple well known examples are the areas of dance and how they made it to space first. I have read about them before a few months back, but have forgotten most. Outside of the US, the country I know most about is China.

Gee! I like it when some foreingner states obligatory "Russia contributed soooooo much!" and then it runs out, s/he knows nothing about it. Then your compliment is worthless.

Not really, democracy took centuries of work to build to the current level in which many western nations now have, but what I meant by bad luck was leaders such as Ivan, arguably Stalin and the communist Revolution, famines, millions dead the invasion by the Nazis causing upwards 25 million deaths, economic collapse ect.

Oh, so Nazi's invasion was just a "bad luck"? Was Holocaust also "a bad luck" by chance?

I would classify the current troubles to what most have likely pointed out. Rampant violence against minorities, international aggression which I actually understand, but that does not = helpful to Russia. Economic troubles ect.

Wait a minute - "rampant violence against minorities"? How? Why I'm sitting here in Moscow can't see any mass-lynching of "minorities", don't see corpses of the victims hanging from lamposts when I go through a city? Care to eleborate here?

As for economic troubles - when was the last time you chekeche out Ukraine's?

You know, I actually came to the thread wanting to better understand Russia's situation today. If my information is wrong, then correct me and explain how so. It was pretty clear in my original post I was seeking answers, not trying to answer them. I have a general knowledge of Russia, because of that I cannot appreciate the contributions I do know about? There was nothing obligatory about the comment, I did not have to say it at all. Take it or don't.

You dont seem to be willing to actually inform me or educate me on Russia's current status, it would have been far more helpful to simply say that you had no intention of doing so. Rather than attack me for my stated limited knowledge of Russia. I could strike at you for your lack of grammar in English, but because I am assuming it is not your first language I am not going to. You are by no means mandated to assist me when I ask if anyone could better help me understand Russia current affairs. But don't attack me for it either.

[United Marxist Nations]

It's pretty much the same as with other languages - first, learn "fromal" language, then find the press/popular blogs/other Media sources
to enlarge your vocabularly. Then start talking with actual Russians.

But as for you Roski, you don't know even the "classic" Russian.

If I were to learn Russian, should I learn the Cryllic Alphabet first, or will that not matter at all?

Pretty hard to learn Russian if you can't even read it.

[Roski]

If I were to learn Russian, should I learn the Cryllic Alphabet first, or will that not matter at all?

Pretty hard to learn Russian if you can't even read it.

Well, I mean instead of learning them together (learning the latin transliteration and then translating it to cryllic), or learn cryllic first, then just learn russian

[Lytenburgh]

It's pretty much the same as with other languages - first, learn "fromal" language, then find the press/popular blogs/other Media sources
to enlarge your vocabularly. Then start talking with actual Russians.

But as for you Roski, you don't know even the "classic" Russian.

If I were to learn Russian, should I learn the Cryllic Alphabet first, or will that not matter at all?

Roski, have you ever replayed your question in mind, imaging that some foreinger asks you pretty much the same n;y about learning English?

[Roski]

If I were to learn Russian, should I learn the Cryllic Alphabet first, or will that not matter at all?

Roski, have you ever replayed your question in mind, imaging that some foreinger asks you pretty much the same n;y about learning English?

they could have transliterated english

Лике тхис фор ехампле.

[United Marxist Nations]

Roski, have you ever replayed your question in mind, imaging that some foreinger asks you pretty much the same n;y about learning English?

they could have transliterated english

Лике тхис фор ехампле.

In no correct pronunciation (to my knowledge) is this an accurate pronunciation to what you are trying to make out.

[Lytenburgh]

You know, I actually came to the thread wanting to better understand Russia's situation today. If my information is wrong, then correct me and explain how so. It was pretty clear in my original post I was seeking answers, not trying to answer them. I have a general knowledge of Russia, because of that I cannot appreciate the contributions I do know about? There was nothing obligatory about the comment, I did not have to say it at all. Take it or don't.

You dont seem to be willing to actually inform me or educate me on Russia's current status, it would have been far more helpful to simply say that you had no intention of doing so. Rather than attack me for my stated limited knowledge of Russia. I could strike at you for your lack of grammar in English, but because I am assuming it is not your first language I am not going to. You are by no means mandated to assist me when I ask if anyone could better help me understand Russia current affairs. But don't attack me for it either.

You arrived here in this discussion with prepared standard issue "spiel" about "Russia's contributions" and "Russia's troubles". Not questions.

A good start for you would be to actually learn about what you are saying here. You say that Russia "contributed" - why you can't find on your own to find out how, when and who? If you know about said contribution, why don't say about that? You don't even need NSG for educating yourself.

As for "general information"... well, givent the current state of the "Free and Independent Western Media" (tm) I won't hold my breath on getting something real from them.

Maybe (just - maybe) you actually want to learn about Russia more and are more open to new ideas and suggestions. But we don't run here "Russianc classes" on NSG. You should take care ouf your education yourself and come here to ask some questions. Because, see, I don't have to educate you in this matters.

[Lytenburgh]

Roski, have you ever replayed your question in mind, imaging that some foreinger asks you pretty much the same n;y about learning English?

they could have transliterated english

Лике тхис фор ехампле.

Which doesn't sound like "english" if read in Russian:

"Likja tkhis for ekhamplja"

Bummer.

[The balkens]

If I were to learn Russian, should I learn the Cryllic Alphabet first, or will that not matter at all?

Pretty hard to learn Russian if you can't even read it.

Which is why i never bothered to drink Vodka.

Russian vodka anyway. Polish stuff is where its at.

[Roski]

they could have transliterated english

Лике тхис фор ехампле.

Which doesn't sound like "english" if read in Russian:

"Likja tkhis for ekhamplja"

Bummer.

it doesn't have to sound like it to read it...?

[United Marxist Nations]

Which doesn't sound like "english" if read in Russian:

"Likja tkhis for ekhamplja"

Bummer.

it doesn't have to sound like it to read it...?

Uh, I'm pretty sure it does.

[The Rebel Alliances]

If anyone here could help me better understand the problems over there I would appreciate it.

From my very first post. Looking back, it was a request rather than a question. I misremembered it. That is my error. I had come to the Russian Thread on NationStates because I spend a great deal of time on NationStates, so it would be convenient and I prefer discussions to textbook reading.

OK, I am getting the feeling we had started off on the wrong foot so to speak. So, I will try once more.

Here are some questions I have I would like to have answers from a native Russian.

What are the current issues that you see from your nation's perspective facing it?
Which issues concern you the most?
How is the economy performing today? Has it shown promising steps from its crash in the 90s?
What do you believe is the best way to secure cooperation between the rest of Europe and Russia? Which problems get in the way?

Please, answer what you are willing to. And I thank you for the time.

[Lytenburgh]

Which is why i never bothered to drink Vodka.

Russian vodka anyway. Polish stuff is where its at.

You don't drink Russian vodka because you can't read what is written on the bottle? But you drink Polish vodka becasue?..

[Lakimina]

Which is why i never bothered to drink Vodka.

Russian vodka anyway. Polish stuff is where its at.

You don't drink Russian vodka because you can't read what is written on the bottle? But you drink Polish vodka becasue?..

Because Polish Vodka is cheaper.