Russian Federation (And other forms of Russia)

[Washington Resistance Army]

It looks like Russia will get "Mistrals" after all:

Rogozin named the date of "Mistrals" transfer to Russian



Russophobes - you can already start buying "Pampers" for yourself. Just in case.

Good thing the Russian Navy is shit compared to its western counterparts.

Pretty much this.

[Baltenstein]

It looks like Russia will get "Mistrals" after all:

Rogozin named the date of "Mistrals" transfer to Russian

France intends to transfer the first heli-carrie "Mistral" to Russia on November 14th. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

" "Rosoboronexport" received an invitation to visit Saint-Nazaire on November 14 , where there are already present 360 Russian sailors of the crew and 60 specialist trainers" - said Rogozin. According to him, on this day will be held the transfer of the ship "Vladivostok" and the launching of the second heli-carrier "Sevastopol".

Rogozin praised the preparations for the execution of the contract. "We proceed from the fact that France itself must defend its own reputation as a reliable partner, including in matters of military cooperation," - said Deputy Prime Minister.

October 28 French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said that the final decision on the transfer of Russian helicopter "Vladivostok" type "Mistral" will be made in November.

Russophobes - you can already start buying "Pampers" for yourself. Just in case.

I'm confused, why is Russia buying this obviously inferior crap from a Russophobic, Western country? Does it not know the complete superiority of Russian weapon designs? A single Grisha class could blow up any French naval vessel just by looking at it.

Or is it a gesture of economic altruism to keep pathetic France from crashing like the rest of the EuroFail coutries? Yeah, that must be probably it.

[Napkiraly]

I like Russian people and its history is fascinating. However the Russian Federation as it currently is, is a security threat to Europe (and therefore to the US and Canada). One of the more pressing ones at that. I'd love to one day see Russia embrace Westernisation (I mean, I'd love to see the world embrace it) and I think Russia could contribute a lot. But as it stands Russia is a threat, one that must be dealt with. Shame relations had to go sour, but c'est la vie.

[Napkiraly]

I like Russian people,culture, literature, etc and its history is fascinating. However the Russian Federation as it currently is, is a security threat to Europe (and therefore to the US and Canada). One of the more pressing ones at that. I'd love to one day see Russia embrace Westernisation (I mean, I'd love to see the world embrace it) and I think Russia could contribute a lot. But as it stands Russia is a threat, one that must be dealt with. Shame relations had to go sour, but c'est la vie.

[Lyttenburg]

I like Russian people and its history is fascinating. However the Russian Federation as it currently is, is a security threat to Europe (and therefore to the US and Canada). One of the more pressing ones at that. I'd love to one day see Russia embrace Westernisation (I mean, I'd love to see the world embrace it) and I think Russia could contribute a lot. But as it stands Russia is a threat, one that must be dealt with. Shame relations had to go sour, but c'est la vie.

1) Threat - in what way? Do you honestly beleive that Russia will one day invade Britain, France, Italy (or even Baltics) "for Evulz"?

2) Define "Westernization", please. What do you want Russia to do?

3) Dealt with - how? Do you want to die fighting Russia?

[Lyttenburg]

Good thing the Russian Navy is shit compared to its western counterparts.

I smell stinking putrid Russophobia here, balkens. It stinks like shit.

Care to be more useful in your contribution to this discussion?

[Big Brain City]

I like Russian people and its history is fascinating. However the Russian Federation as it currently is, is a security threat to Europe (and therefore to the US and Canada). One of the more pressing ones at that. I'd love to one day see Russia embrace Westernisation (I mean, I'd love to see the world embrace it) and I think Russia could contribute a lot. But as it stands Russia is a threat, one that must be dealt with. Shame relations had to go sour, but c'est la vie.

1) Threat - in what way? Did you honestly beleive that Russia will one day invade Britain, France, Italy (or even Baltics) "for Evulz"?

2) Define "Westernization", please. What do you want Russia to do?

3) Dealt with - how? Do you want to die fighting Russia?

First, my good friend, we send in our stealth lizard Navy SEALs to capture the nukes.
Then we lower the price of oil so they can't increase defense spending.
Then we make Russia adopt love of gays, radical feminism, and gazillionaire funding of elections! That, my friend, is the Western Way. And all else failing, we will nuke the stupid impure Russian bears! HAIL THE WEST!

[Big Brain City]

Good thing the Russian Navy is shit compared to its western counterparts.

I smell stinking putrid Russophobia here, balkens. It stinks like shit.

Care to be more useful in your contribution to this discussion?

How is it equal?

[Cascadeland]

"Good thing the Russian Navy is shit compared to its western counterparts."

Based on what evidence?

Russia's fleet of corvettes and destroyers, and anti-ship missile arsenal, are nothing to scoff at. Our (US) navy, which is centered around supercarriers, would benefit greatly from not underestimating our adversaries. That goes for the rest of Europe, which has serious problems with their navies.

I mean jeez, our armed forces are currently being castrated by complexity and spiraling expenses, due in no small part to the F35. This is also profoundly affecting the readiness and combat capability of our navy, which is dealing with similar issues with the fundamentally flawed LCS and Arleigh Burkes.

So yeah, im not convinced Russia has a "shit navy".

I'd love to one day see Russia embrace Westernisation

Why? Why should they?
And why should the world?

How about we keep our fingers out of other nations' pies for once?

And how do you "deal with Russia"?

Theyre not exactly Iraq or some petty nationstate the size of Any-State, USA.

Eh, maybe its because im not very adamant about "freeing the shit out of people" with banking and JDAMs.

[Conscentia]

1) Threat - in what way? Did you honestly beleive that Russia will one day invade Britain, France, Italy (or even Baltics) "for Evulz"?

2) Define "Westernization", please. What do you want Russia to do?

3) Dealt with - how? Do you want to die fighting Russia?

First, my good friend, we send in our stealth lizard Navy SEALs to capture the nukes.
Then we lower the price of oil so they can't increase defense spending.
Then we make Russia adopt love of gays, radical feminism, and gazillionaire funding of elections! That, my friend, is the Western Way. And all else failing, we will nuke the stupid impure Russian bears! HAIL THE WEST!

Except homophobia is still a problem in the West, the West has not adopted radical feminism, and elections in the Western nations are publicly funded with parties in many countries relying heavily to public subsidies to fund their campaign.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

First, my good friend, we send in our stealth lizard Navy SEALs to capture the nukes.
Then we lower the price of oil so they can't increase defense spending.
Then we make Russia adopt love of gays, radical feminism, and gazillionaire funding of elections! That, my friend, is the Western Way. And all else failing, we will nuke the stupid impure Russian bears! HAIL THE WEST!

Except homophobia is still a problem in the West, the West has not adopted radical feminism, and elections in the Western nations are publicly funded with parties in many countries relying heavily to public subsidies to fund their campaign.

It seems to me to have been a joke.

[Conscentia]

Except homophobia is still a problem in the West, the West has not adopted radical feminism, and elections in the Western nations are publicly funded with parties in many countries relying heavily to public subsidies to fund their campaign.

It seems to me to have been a joke.

I know it was a joke.
The joke was poorly written.

[Korva]

"Good thing the Russian Navy is shit compared to its western counterparts."

I mean jeez, our armed forces are currently being castrated by complexity and spiraling expenses, due in no small part to the F35. This is also profoundly affecting the readiness and combat capability of our navy, which is dealing with similar issues with the fundamentally flawed LCS and Arleigh Burkes.

lolwut

[Seraven]

It looks like Russia will get "Mistrals" after all:

Rogozin named the date of "Mistrals" transfer to Russian



Russophobes - you can already start buying "Pampers" for yourself. Just in case.

I'm confused, why is Russia buying this obviously inferior crap from a Russophobic, Western country? Does it not know the complete superiority of Russian weapon designs? A single Grisha class could blow up any French naval vessel just by looking at it.

Or is it a gesture of economic altruism to keep pathetic France from crashing like the rest of the EuroFail coutries? Yeah, that must be probably it.

In the past, France tends to have a better relations with Soviet Union than the rest of Europe and USA. So it is not surprising if Russia bought naval assets from France.

[Napkiraly]

I like Russian people and its history is fascinating. However the Russian Federation as it currently is, is a security threat to Europe (and therefore to the US and Canada). One of the more pressing ones at that. I'd love to one day see Russia embrace Westernisation (I mean, I'd love to see the world embrace it) and I think Russia could contribute a lot. But as it stands Russia is a threat, one that must be dealt with. Shame relations had to go sour, but c'est la vie.

1) Threat - in what way? Do you honestly beleive that Russia will one day invade Britain, France, Italy (or even Baltics) "for Evulz"?

2) Define "Westernization", please. What do you want Russia to do?

3) Dealt with - how? Do you want to die fighting Russia?

1) >Implying the only way Russia threatens Western interests is via military might. No, by acting as a beacon for people such as Viktor Orban. By utilizing things such as hybrid warfare and its increasing amount of cybercrime. It also is a bastion for transnational organised crime, and its kind of a pain when one of the FBI's most wanted can live freely in Russia. Also the way in how it uses it status as an energy supplier. All that makes the Russian Federation, as it stands, a threat.

2) Liberal democracy, freedom of speech, etc. All that jazz. I would preferably like to see Russia come into the Western camp, liberalise its politics and so on so forth. Having Russia as a member of Western civilisation would be amazing.

3) Obtaining energy security for Europe, further evolving NATO military forces, keeping a RRF in the Baltic states, assuring non-NATO but NATO allied countries such as Georgia that we'll protect them from Russian aggression in terms of them wanting to join NATO or expand ties with the EU. Basically contain Russia and its influence as long as it keeps up its current way of doing things but making it clear that should Russia open up, should Russia stop trying to curtail other countries wanting to join organisations such as NATO or the EU, or better yet should Russia start the process of Westernization and become a Western, liberal democracy, the West will in turn loosen restrictions, become calmer and preferably in the future perhaps invite Russia into the EU and/or NATO.

[Lyttenburg]

1) >Implying the only way Russia threatens Western interests is via military might. No, by acting as a beacon for people such as Viktor Orban. By utilizing things such as hybrid warfare and its increasing amount of cybercrime. It also is a bastion for transnational organised crime, and its kind of a pain when one of the FBI's most wanted can live freely in Russia. Also the way in how it uses it status as an energy supplier. All that makes the Russian Federation, as it stands, a threat.

Uh-huh. So, as was known since 90s, the independent Russia with independent foreign policy is a "threat" to the West? As for "one of the FBI's most wanted can live freely in Russia" - how about turning over Zakayev and Co to Russia first? What are you asking for is for Russia to become a West's puppet with no will to pusue its own interests. Glad to hear, that. Makes things easier.

2) Liberal democracy, freedom of speech, etc. All that jazz. I would preferably like to see Russia come into the Western camp, liberalise its politics and so on so forth. Having Russia as a member of Western civilisation would be amazing.

I and pretty much anyone I know can say and post on the Net things, for which uber-tolerant West would if not persecute us otright, but make life as difficult as possible. And this little thing is, in my undrestanding, a real "freedom of speach".

By the way, define this "liberalisation of politics" in Russia. Do you have even a slightest idea about the political landscape of the country? Or are you one of those people, who naively thinks, that the very moment Putin is gone then Russia (somehow) would transform into the liberal democracy with tolerasts and West's toadies in power?

3) Obtaining energy security for Europe, further evolving NATO military forces, keeping a RRF in the Baltic states, assuring non-NATO but NATO allied countries such as Georgia that we'll protect them from Russian aggression in terms of them wanting to join NATO or expand ties with the EU. Basically contain Russia and its influence as long as it keeps up its current way of doing things but making it clear that should Russia open up, should Russia stop trying to curtail other countries wanting to join organisations such as NATO or the EU, or better yet should Russia start the process of Westernization and become a Western, liberal democracy, the West will in turn loosen restrictions, become calmer and preferably in the future perhaps invite Russia into the EU and/or NATO.

Bullshit. Basically what you are suggesting (and what the West has been suggesting, thatnks to such vile scumbag and Russophobe as Zbygnev Bziezhinskiy) is for Russia to forsake its national interest, bend over and ask politely the West to gang-rape her and then, MAYBE, the morally superior and racially superior West will consider, if this sorry state deserve anything at all.

Nope. What are you asking for s for Russia to capitulate and for West to be ignorant of Russia's interests. That won't do. Not now.

[Conscentia]

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2) Liberal democracy, freedom of speech, etc. All that jazz. I would preferably like to see Russia come into the Western camp, liberalise its politics and so on so forth. Having Russia as a member of Western civilisation would be amazing.
[...]

The idea that freedom of speech, etc. are exclusively "Western" seems quite offensive to all the non-western cultures.
Japan isn't a "Western" culture, and has the kind of political freedom expected in "the West".

[Constantinopolis]

By the way, define this "liberalisation of politics" in Russia. Do you have even a slightest idea about the political landscape of the country? Or are you one of those people, who naively thinks, that the very moment Putin is gone then Russia (somehow) would transform into the liberal democracy with tolerasts and West's toadies in power?

I love it how Western liberals don't seem to realize that Putin is probably more liberal than the majority of the Russian population. They're going to be really surprised about what happens when Putin is gone.

[The balkens]

Good thing the Russian Navy is shit compared to its western counterparts.

I smell stinking putrid Russophobia here, balkens. It stinks like shit.

Care to be more useful in your contribution to this discussion?

Yes, yes....No. Not for you of all people, anyway.

Yes, i like Russian culture. The Red Army Choir has got to have been one of Russia's greatest assets, singing many classics like Varyag and the Song of the Volga Boatman. But the The Cliff has got to be one of the most emotional songs i have heard. on par with i had a Comrade. Government, however, leaves much to be desired. its too authoritarian, too focused on Military might ( Might being a subjective term) and not enough for the care of its own people. Surely, the Russian People not only need better, but DESERVE better then the Putin Regime.

[Constantinopolis]

Yes, i like Russian culture. The Red Army Choir has got to have been one of Russia's greatest assets, singing many classics like Varyag and the Song of the Volga Boatman. But the The Cliff has got to be one of the most emotional songs i have heard. on par with i had a Comrade. Government, however, leaves much to be desired. its too authoritarian, too focused on Military might ( Might being a subjective term) and not enough for the care of its own people. Surely, the Russian People not only need better, but DESERVE better then the Putin Regime.

Oh, I agree. I can't speak for the Russians, but I'd imagine a lot of them agree, too.

However, the alternative that Western liberals propose is basically a return to the Yeltsin years. That would be far, far worse than the Putin regime.

[The balkens]

Yes, i like Russian culture. The Red Army Choir has got to have been one of Russia's greatest assets, singing many classics like Varyag and the Song of the Volga Boatman. But the The Cliff has got to be one of the most emotional songs i have heard. on par with i had a Comrade. Government, however, leaves much to be desired. its too authoritarian, too focused on Military might ( Might being a subjective term) and not enough for the care of its own people. Surely, the Russian People not only need better, but DESERVE better then the Putin Regime.

Oh, I agree. I can't speak for the Russians, but I'd imagine a lot of them agree, too.

However, the alternative that Western liberals propose is basically a return to the Yeltsin years. That would be far, far worse than the Putin regime.

Not quite Yeltsin, but someone that is to the left of Putin on social issues. and perhaps is not as willing to invade other countries and provoke NATO. which is what it is doing right now.

[Lyttenburg]

Not quite Yeltsin, but someone that is to the left of Putin on social issues. and perhaps is not as willing to invade other countries and provoke NATO. which is what it is doing right now.

Enlighten us, oh balkens, about such impossibly unrealistic national leader (as realistic as spherical horse in vaccum) that:

a) Satisfy West's desire to turn Russia into its bitch
b) Popular among the Russians.

[Napkiraly]

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2) Liberal democracy, freedom of speech, etc. All that jazz. I would preferably like to see Russia come into the Western camp, liberalise its politics and so on so forth. Having Russia as a member of Western civilisation would be amazing.
[...]

The idea that freedom of speech, etc. are exclusively "Western" seems quite offensive to all the non-western cultures.
Japan isn't a "Western" culture, and has the kind of political freedom expected in "the West".

To be fare I'd place them into the West but I guess that aspect is debatable.

[The balkens]

Not quite Yeltsin, but someone that is to the left of Putin on social issues. and perhaps is not as willing to invade other countries and provoke NATO. which is what it is doing right now.

Enlighten us, oh balkens, about such impossibly unrealistic national leader (as realistic as spherical horse in vaccum) that:

a) Satisfy West's desire to turn Russia into its bitch
b) Popular among the Russians.

I never said anything about turning Russia into the NATO's bitch, Lytt. Putin, however, can give me a call. I enjoyed Moscow yesterday.

I am saying that Russia needs a less aggressive leader. my opinion. Your opinion however, sounds like is directly from the source.

[Occupied Deutschland]

[...]
2) Liberal democracy, freedom of speech, etc. All that jazz. I would preferably like to see Russia come into the Western camp, liberalise its politics and so on so forth. Having Russia as a member of Western civilisation would be amazing.
[...]

The idea that freedom of speech, etc. are exclusively "Western" seems quite offensive to all the non-western cultures.
Japan isn't a "Western" culture, and has the kind of political freedom expected in "the West".

One could actually include Japan as part of the 'West'. I've seen it done a number of times due to Japan's strong connections to and alignment with the US/EU/Canada/Oceania/etc. block of countries and, as you mention, it's liberal democracy, (relatively strong) freedom of speech, etc. However, it can also be excluded because of its Eastern culture/religion/society/values/etc. with no real insult meant.

It's also a rather poor place to take issue with in this instance since liberal democracy, freedom of speech, etc. mainly had to be imposed on Japan by an occupying "Western" power after the second big global cock-up.